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[Shadowlord123]

Yes all PB floating carrier is equipped with SD but not every one can fire Sbhs. Only the one which is commanded by Michel is able to do so.

Except even the miniature version Yura sneaked in was able to fire Shinwonryu. If the toy version can, there's no way the bigger, more sophisticated ones cannot.

Ur only using a armor but forgot that he also uses spear. Viole's DTG made Dumas feel threatened, that was when he was without armor or spear. That Dumas will die by Jinsung DTG. And Jinsung the one in S2 is stronger. We saw Dumas overpowered Jinsung only with Rosario before he shattered his spears.

The result doesn't change even if you take away the spear. The weakest version of armored Dumas was already able to physically contend with Jinsung. The strongest version of Dumas in demon form will tear Jinsung apart with no real difficulty.

Ur saying this even after seeing the fight? Why do u think Traumerei only spammed Rupture after Rupture. Why do u think Gussy only spammed library after library (Seraphim of light, Prometheus, Unos, 400 days flood)? Because only that could make a difference.

Disconnection was more effective in combination with the regenerating Shinheuh as a decoy. If it hadn't been for Valhalla, nerfed Traumerei would have been pretty cooked against Okbi Gustang too.

As for Gustang, Okbi was relevant. It was helpful until the very end, even after he pulled out Blossom's flames. The pen would have been absurdly relevant too, seeing what Tiara's walmart version could do, but SIU chose to only make him use it for the memes.

A skill not being treated as a main weapon =/ a useless skill.

I have said everything in defense of the items. U can believe in your opinion. Lastly I will just say it's not a coincidence that each HL has gotten an item from Gussy just like each BLs has gotten shinhueh from Traumerei. Like I said remove the items, they scale way lower.

Not all Librarians were given special and unique items from Gustang. Mikel did not, and neither did Proust as far as we know.

But yes, if you remove things from a character's arsenal, they naturally grow weaker. It's not rocket science. The LPB BHs would also not be as strong as they are if you took away the Shinheuh that Traumerei gave them.

In regards to Proust, the attack he stopped from Robadon is the one whose force had already destroyed Gir arm. And Robadon is a close fighter. We saw Yama destroy the barrier who scale lower than Robadon.

As for Adori one shot, I for one always believe that if Proust had an item he wouldn't have been one shotted. I doubt we will ever see what item he got. It's similar to Robadon vs tiara would go. Tiara will likely put up a fight if she has a pen before losing but without pen will get one shot like Hugo.

Robadon still considered Proust someone difficult to pass overall. So either the barrier that Yama destroyed wasn't the full extent of Proust's power, or Yama simply scales higher than we give him credit for. I consider both genuine possibilities tbh.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

Except even the miniature version Yura sneaked in was able to fire Shinwonryu. If the toy version can, there's no way the bigger, more sophisticated ones cannot.

Yes but don't forget that's one time use.

The result doesn't change even if you take away the spear. The weakest version of armored Dumas was already able to physically contend with Jinsung. The strongest version of Dumas in demon form will tear Jinsung apart with no real difficulty.

The result will change. I am not talking about the purple armor Dumas but the one who destroyed RKB. That Dumas said DTG made him feel threatened. I for one don't think DTG will do anything in the purple form. But that Dumas without armor and spear is Jinsung level. Even Kallavan would beat it.

Not all Librarians were given special and unique items from Gustang. Mikel did not, and neither did Proust as far as we know.

I have emphasized Proust didn't get that's why people don't hype him that much. As for Michel he got the Sbhs floating carrier.

Robadon still considered Proust someone difficult to pass overall. So either the barrier that Yama destroyed wasn't the full extent of Proust's power, or Yama simply scales higher than we give him credit for. I consider both genuine possibilities tbh.

I mean that's based on hype. If we just talk about hype, Robadon and Kirin seem to be on same level but we know Robadon is far stronger.

 

[Shadowlord123]

Yes but don't forget that's one time use.

Yeah, it's a miniature, toy version after all. The real big ones that look the same as Mikel's are unlikely to break after one use.

The result will change. I am not talking about the purple armor Dumas but the one who destroyed RKB. That Dumas said DTG made him feel threatened. I for one don't think DTG will do anything in the purple form. But that Dumas without armor and spear is Jinsung level. Even Kallavan would beat it.

You're talking about the human Dumas who's explicitly stated to be much stronger than the armor. Even in Base, that Dumas already treated a serious Baam (pre-Levi buff) like absolute fodder, the same Baam who wrecks BHs low diff. He tanked a Twin Wings without flinching; the same technique used by a weaker version of Baam nearly took off Kallavan's arm. I don't know what makes you think that Dumas is Kallavan lvl, but he's not. He's much stronger even in Base, let alone with the demonic transformation he can also use.

DTG might be a threat, but it's useless if it doesn't land. And you bet Dumas won't let it land if he fights with his real, mortal body. Jinsung will find his neck getting snapped, as it happened to Baam. Him missing Rosario is not close to be enough to even the playing field.

I have emphasized Proust didn't get that's why people don't hype him that much. As for Michel he got the Sbhs floating carrier.

The floating carrier is not special, other Po Bidaus got the same big one. Even Yura had a miniature version of it. That can't really be the unique power Mikel inherited from Gustang. Don't you think it's far more reasonable if Gustang's Twisted side gained the ability to twist things?

I mean that's based on hype. If we just talk about hype, Robadon and Kirin seem to be on same level but we know Robadon is far stronger.

Robadon is clearly stronger, but not on an entirely different level. Kirin still managed to hold his ground, and after a prolonged fight, he left with no meaningful damage.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

Yeah, it's a miniature, toy version after all. The real big ones that look the same as Mikel's are unlikely to break after one use

Yes but why do u think it belongs to Revs? If they belong to Revs, why would they give it to Michel and not use it on their own. Yura said she went there and stole it, do u think she went to RTC?

You're talking about the human Dumas who's explicitly stated to be much stronger than the armor

Ur talking about the Dumas that was purple armor and with spear. That power made Viole compare with a bit of FLs.

DTG might be a threat, but it's useless if it doesn't land. And you bet Dumas won't let it land if he fights with his real, mortal body.

Dumas is a SB not a h2h combat specialist. Against JH or Kallavan that Dumas would give an equal fight. Dumas himself admitted that RKB gave him a threat.

The floating carrier is not special, other Po Bidaus got the same big one. Even Yura had a miniature version of it. That can't really be the unique power Mikel inherited from Gustang. Don't you think it's far more reasonable if Gustang's Twisted side gained the ability to twist things?

Where do u see all PBs got special floating carrier? They are just equipped and able to do SD like Kirin ship is. Yura got it out of PB battleship unless u believe she got it from RTC, it's almost impossible to get into without the key.

Like I have saying for upteenth time, HLs don't inherit power but characteristics.

> Kirin still managed to hold his ground

Robadon mocked Kirin by saying ur barely able to keep up with me, it's a fool dream to think of FL title. Not to mention it's been repeatedly said, Robadon still cares about kirin

 

[Shadowlord123]

Yes but why do u think it belongs to Revs? If they belong to Revs, why would they give it to Michel and not use it on their own. Yura said she went there and stole it, do u think she went to RTC?

Huh? You lost me there. Who said anything about Revs and Red Dump? Yura should have stolen the device from the PB Mothership.

Though, that reminds me we saw one of those things come out of the well in Urek's Spin-Off. There's a chance that this machine wasn't even originally created by the PB Family or Gustang. In which case, it'd become even more obvious that this is not what Mikel inherited from Gustang.

Ur talking about the Dumas that was purple armor and with spear. That power made Viole compare with a bit of FLs.

No, I'm saying that even if you restrict the spear and the purple transformation, the real Dumas is still smashing Jinsung through his far superior stats and decent CQC skills.

I personally think the purple transformation is something that belongs to the real Dumas, and not something he acquired by getting the armor. So even without the armor, I believe he'd be capable of transforming regardless. But it doesn't matter for this argument, since he wouldn't need it to deal with Jinsung.

Dumas is a SB not a h2h combat specialist. Against JH or Kallavan that Dumas would give an equal fight. Dumas himself admitted that RKB gave him a threat

Positions matter only when the characters are in the same tier. Dumas and Jinsung do not belong in the same tier, even if you nerf Dumas to this extent.

And RKB trio didn't give Dumas any meaningful trouble. He wiped them with no difficulty, only feeling momentarily threatened by DTG.

Where do u see all PBs got special floating carrier? They are just equipped and able to do SD like Kirin ship is. Yura got it out of PB battleship unless u believe she got it from RTC, it's almost impossible to get into without the key.

Not all PBs got this carrier, but we saw at least another one when the BHs were ambushed. So it's not unique to Mikel. And if the toy, miniature version can fire Shinwonryu, so can the big ones that look exactly like Mikel's.

Robadon mocked Kirin by saying ur barely able to keep up with me, it's a fool dream to think of FL title. Not to mention it's been repeatedly said, Robadon still cares about kirin

Robadon is stronger than Kirin for sure, but far stronger remains to be seen. Only a marginal difference has been showcased between the two so far, not a massive one.