Chapter Fairy Tail: 100YQ Chapter 222 Discussion

[Furkan]

I think this is pretty much was it is because, forget Mira, no way Mashima is making Elfman steal Laxus' spolight. Given that Erza needed to use the dragonized earth energy to finish off her dragon I'd say Elfman uses his takeover power to weaken both dragons for Miraxus to beat them.

None of the S class, even with Wendy's power up, seem to be able to beat the CB's without something extra. In Erza's case the environment was convenient for her.

You are forgetting that Erza fans invading his space on x because she always seem weaker than Laxus when it comes to feats.

 

[Yunkers]

I think Mashima still doesn't know how to handle this situation with the dragons. Just look at Motherglare, after she transformed into her dragon form, she used her human form again. He probably doesn't know how to defeat them in a good way. Because of that most things are so random and bad.

It's reocurring problem with the entire spin-off. And somehow they decided to add even more dragon enemies over time. Now they are trying to say that "beast" is the same as "dragon", which is obviously not true, but they struggle to find a way for Strausses to do something.
Elfman is Dragon Slayer now, because why not

 

[VG1989]

It's reocurring problem with the entire spin-off. And somehow they decided to add even more dragon enemies over time. Now they are trying to say that "beast" is the same as "dragon", which is obviously not true, but they struggle to find a way for Strausses to do something.
Elfman is Dragon Slayer now, because why not

This is similar to Lucy getting Merks Key, Because apparently they can be summoned as well. as always Plot is Whatewere Hiro Makes it, No reason.

 

[GodSlayer666]

Just butting in but how is a Skullion stalemate fight from so many chapters ago a ghost haunting Mirajane?

Because Mashima is avoiding powercreep. It's absolute ? No, but if you get no real power up no one should assume power growth taking into account Mashima words. Even now, Laxus is not using RL, no reason to assume Levia is stronger than that form either.

She’s faced Daemon who I’d rank above him considering she did more damage to Mira with the same intangibility hax Skullion had which has biggest advantage against her and she’s still fast enough to speed blitz and bypass it with Alegria which she could just as easily do the same to Skullion. Daemon actually pushed Mira out of BSS, Skullion didn’t.

In the end of the day Mira one shotted her with Allegria but was unsure if she could beat Skullion despite having this trump card, i'm just using Mira words

And you judge too much a offscreened fight like if you can guarantee which fight was harder

Mirajane squaring up with a human form dragon which she pushed into it’s dragon from and doing considerably well enough to fling it across the sky is proof enough Skullion isn’t an issue anymore.

Not to mention Alegria being used much more casually compared to its first appearance

Motherglare messed with the dragon form buff portrayal, it's not a huge power up like the DGs and Scissor Runner portrayal is not even better than Anchor to think throwing him is a big deal.

At Allegria form first appearance she wasn't even spriggan level, neither Erza was at Alvarez.

Or maybe the buff being equal proves that Mira is on their level? The fact that she has an equal buff and is physically throwing and hurting a CB is proof that she is operating on the same level as Erza stabbing one in their forehead and Laxus matching their punch with his punch.

Can you prove that this CB is not a bum ? There isn't even a single statement equalizing them like spriggans had, i already showed that Anchor is a bum and majority belives that Earthbuild stronger than all, there is a gap between CBs strength just like there was with most villains groups, or Raj is somehow as strong as Wed just because they are from F&F ? God Seed Doom is as strong as Gears just because they all are God Seeds ? No, nothing equalize them, heck i criticize the BDSK equalization, but at least the ''perhaps'' is something

Mira also is relying on physical strength not magic energy explosions like what killed Heine and Julliet.

This is what I am talking about. You all start off with a wrong assumption and scale from there lmao. INB4 Scissor runner is the weakest CB.

Lol you all claim there is no proof that Mira is on a certain level and when we do get statements or hype it doesn't matter and when we get feats like this one you start doing these vs wiki calculations to explain why your assumption is correct.

Ok she is physically strong, Madmole and Elfman also should be physically stronger than Jacob, but the spriggan level mage with hax was still Jacob.

Maybe Anchor is the weakest, but who knows ? Most of Scissor Runner was offscreen and now he has to share the spotlight with Levia, in terms of relevance he already has the least, to be the weakest wouldn't be a stretch

What statements ? If it's not generic fine, the problem is the lack of solid statements. And i'm actually following a statement, Mashima is ''avoiding powercreep'' which means that without a power up i won't assume arbitrary power growth, same applies to Erza who nevergot any zenkai boost against signarios, they were just frauds. Same for Gray, without emotion buff he is still a Skullion victim.

Erza pushed him down to the ground. Mira tossed Scissor runner, a significant distance, sending him crashing into Levia which not only hurt both of them, it shocked Scissor runner himself. By your logic Laxus matching Levia's punch before the magic drain is less impressive than Erza pushing Acnologia to the ground or Juvia manipulating waves to rock him on the boat.

Acnologia is a jobber like Big Mom, it' what i tried to explain to @Shiki_Dragneel even Makarov was holding Acnologia in Tenrou, people need to focus on the actual finishing move feats. Laxus matching Levia is less impressive than Laxus fodderizing Skullion and almost one shotting Ajeel, the later shows the gap between him and his opponents, the former just shows him struggling with a possible stronger opponent.

feats > your calculations. Quite frankly, I don't think there's a single instance in the manga of a dragon being ragdolled like what Mira just did. They were all separated and fighting at entirely different locations. She chucked him from God knows where, and with no signs of visual fatigue. One thing is for sure, all three collectively clap Suzaku. I see you tryna switch agendas and glaze Jellal who is even worse off.

Which feats ? Again, you guys just assume that Mira opponents are strong and call it a day. Would you glaze Juvia for ragdolling a dragon or would you call this dragon a bum ?

Suzaku and Gray have better feats than Laxus, even Erza now as he is not going to solo his own CB matchup. Brought Jellal because he can't get powercreeped now and i always preferred him over Laxus

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Even worse is basing your argument on a May 2024 livestream where Mashima said God Serena was stronger than Natsu and Laxus. That didn't make any sense even back then; if he was actually stronger, he wouldn't have gotten humiliated in a single page. Right now we're dealing with actual dragons, something God Serena never managed to do—let's humble ourselves to our own insignificance.

Who humiliated him ? The first one was the strongest character in the verse, then Gildarts, the FT's ace fought his WEAKENED version and PRAISED his alive version. Would Gildarts praise a fodder now ? Or this confirms Mashima ranking with Serena being Gildarts level. And as a Gildarts level fighter he got the upper hand against Jellal just like Kirin had against Laxus or even better as he didn't relied on a coffin with special advantage against his opponent. Then like Laxus, Jellal got a power up, in case a new spell, to beat his Gildarts level opponent. And quit the crap, beating Anchor is not impressive

 

[Shiki_Dragneel]

Well, that could be it, in a way I think that’s part of the reason why Earth Build is still standing, even though it seemed like he would be one of the first to be defeated.

Probably yes, same with Anchor. Both enemies were not showing much anymore after they had some chapters. I believe Mashima will defeat them quickly after the other 3 are defeated.

It's reocurring problem with the entire spin-off. And somehow they decided to add even more dragon enemies over time. Now they are trying to say that "beast" is the same as "dragon", which is obviously not true, but they struggle to find a way for Strausses to do something.
Elfman is Dragon Slayer now, because why not

Everyone is a dragon slayer now. Lucy with her new powers, Erza with her armor, Elfman with his takeover and maybe some others will join

Thats why I hate Wendys DS enchanment spell. It makes the whole true DS useless. We saw it with Diabolos, Gajeel, Sting, Rogue and Cobra.

Why using true DS if you can use Lucy, Erza, Mirajane, Elfman, Juvia, etc

Acnologia is a jobber like Big Mom, it' what i tried to explain to @Shiki_Dragneel even Makarov was holding Acnologia in Tenrou, people need to focus on the actual finishing move feats. Laxus matching Levia is less impressive than Laxus fodderizing Skullion and almost one shotting Ajeel, the later shows the gap between him and his opponents, the former just shows him struggling with a possible stronger opponent.

Imo the main problem is still that we will probably never see the fullpower of the characters at least not from the enemies or their full arsenal. The CB could spam their dragon roas if they want, we saw that in the original serie and flashbacks that they can do it. We saw how Motherglares dragon roar destroys a whole mountain during the GMG arc and this was before she got stronger. But instead she used her baby dragons

Also the dragons can fly.....something they forgot it seems. I mean if they start flying and start to spam their attacks, what should the other do against it? I know that battles like that will never happen because they must lose somehow but still thats something that will always bothers me.

Maybe Anchor is the weakest, but who knows ? Most of Scissor Runner was offscreen and now he has to share the spotlight with Levia, in terms of relevance he already has the least, to be the weakest wouldn't be a stretch

Scissor Runner is so far the weakest and useless one. Earthbuild and Anchor had so far the best feats and were the most impressive ones.

Earthbuild fought against many characters, among them were Natsu, Igneel, Selene and Mercphobia. He even tanked a big AOE attack from Igneel and that in his human form.

Anchor has a really powerful and dangerous hax ability. Without Juvias water power Gray and Juvia would be dead and that at least four times so far. The only counter to his hax powers so far are water magic and maybe even only the version that Juvia can use. He also used only his human form so far.


After them the most impressive one was either Motherglare or Levia

I would say Motherglare because she destroyed with one hit a part of Crocus during the GMG arc. She also destroyed a whole mountain during the same arc and to defeat her human form Erza need the power of the continent.

Levias soul magic is dangerous but somehow so far it was less impressive tbh

Scissor well this guy showed us nothing so far that was impressive and honestly I don't think he will even show us something good anymore.

 

[Ratrace]

Scissor well this guy showed us nothing so far that was impressive and honestly I don't think he will even show us something good anymore.

he was fighting Mira and you know Hiro doesn’t like showing her fights for some reason

 

[Loke]

Which feats ? Again, you guys just assume that Mira opponents are strong and call it a day. Would you glaze Juvia for ragdolling a dragon or would you call this dragon a bum ?

Suzaku and Gray have better feats than Laxus, even Erza now as he is not going to solo his own CB matchup. Brought Jellal because he can't get powercreeped now and i always preferred him over Laxus

Unless you have evidence to the contrary, it's you assuming they are weak and refusing to issue proper upscales due to biases. Narratively Ignia handpicked them specifically because they were strong. Moreover, Juvia made Anchor bleed. So he's a bum and so is Gray, correct? Moreover, Mira's feat has more to do with her being physically strong enough to toss a creature of that size a considerable distance. Whether he's a bum or not is inconsequential. He still has gargantuan mass.

Suzaku was last seen getting wiped out with his whole guild by a lone Selene and Jellal was last seen being demoted to a mid carder where he was forced to fight opponents weaker than both Natsu and Erza's opponents. To make matters worse, Natsu essentially beat his opponent in that arc by becoming Laxus lite. Laxus outshined him in an arc he was not even a part of. Your preferences are of no importance. Laxus has consistently had better feats and portrayal than Jellal thoughout the sequel.

Lastly, no one is soloing any Calamity Bloods. They're all enchanted.

 

[Star Frost]

I remember weeks back how somebody told Mashima they wanted Lisanna to have an active role on his YT live. She may be involved if Elfman loses control to calm him down.

It’s very evident that Mashima favs Elfman as a fighter over Mira. He was spoiled 3 new forms (soon more), and one of those forms he used his imagination to have, and is given more screen time in his fights. Mira’s only improvement is maintaining her Alegria form longer that seems to be her peak. It’s like Elfman is being worked to surpass her and I don’t think I like that.

 

[GodSlayer666]

Unless you have evidence to the contrary, it's you assuming they are weak and refusing to issue proper upscales due to biases. Narratively Ignia handpicked them specifically because they were strong. Moreover, Juvia made Anchor bleed. So he's a bum and so is Gray, correct? Moreover, Mira's feat has more to do with her being physically strong enough to toss a creature of that size a considerable distance. Whether he's a bum or not is inconsequential. He still has gargantuan mass.

Biases ? Not giving arbitrary power growths is bias now ? I'm even pointing Mashima statement about powercreep and let's be real, if even spriggans like Brandish are still relevant even in the final arc, of course the power growth is limited, cmon Brandish struggled with Fodderheart. Did Gajeel got stronger ? No, he showed nothing, that's what i'm saying. And without black ice Gray is a skullion victim, i'm not being biased. You know that after spriggans the mages here are scaled to country level at the very least don't you ? So why should i care about hurl ? Is Mira gonna compete in an olympic shot put ? She didn't even defeated the dragon, why this commotion about it ?

Suzaku was last seen getting wiped out with his whole guild by a lone Selene and Jellal was last seen being demoted to a mid carder where he was forced to fight opponents weaker than both Natsu and Erza's opponents. To make matters worse, Natsu essentially beat his opponent in that arc by becoming Laxus lite. Laxus outshined him in an arc he was not even a part of. Your preferences are of no importance. Laxus has consistently had better feats and portrayal than Jellal thoughout the sequel.

Lone Dragon Selene, Human Selene should still be stronger than all CBs except Earthbuild. God Serena is stronger than fraudnarios and Duke was garbage, try again. LOL Laxus can't outshine anyone without being in the arc, Lightning only form wasn't a Laxus upscale, it's the same of upscaling Irene just because Erza used Irene form, you guys are just arbitrarily making upscales, lightning only form shouldn't even be stronger than the dual form and nithing stops Erza from being stronger than Irene. And no, Laxus just had more screen time, by this logic Mira is a fodder lmao. Laxus best feat is still just Kirin, Jellal best feat is God Serena, no use to downplay him if Hiro himself ranked him higher than Laxus back at the time.

Erza was mostly all by herself, after she absorbed the earth she one shotted Motherglare. Without Wendy buff she would need what ? 2 or 3 more shots ? Would be pushed to mid diff ? Laxus also is not using RL, just pointing that he looks bad now