Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1198 Spoiler Discussion

[AmyRose]

However i have troubles thinking.. Zoro and Sanji.. can outright murder the Gks in a cold and merciless way... maybe.. something like they being simple vaporized or turned into skeletons just cause they hit the heart.. can soft him up..

Oh I wouldn't doubt Zoros ability to go for a kill if it's necessary to defeate someone. Unfortunately for Holy Knights actually killing them IS necessary for their defeat so if Zoro and Sanji won't strike a killing blow on them they will just regenerate and carry on. I think Oda did that on purpose to show us opponents that HAVE to die to be defeated. Some people probably complain that almost noone dies in this story so there you go: opponents that need to die for our fellas to win.

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An Ancient technology and vegapunk is on elbaph, this won't turn out good for the WG

I think that's the thing. This story will probably end with fall of World Government and from then on people will be able to live without some big mighty organization that controls everything and justify even the worst crimes if it's in their interest. But for that to happen things need to become "not good" for them.

Vegapunk is also "who knows where" since Egghead ended with all the Vegapunks exept Lilith sharing one body and leaving the island with exact thing WG needed. So yeah, WG is doomed one way or another if York won't be able to replicate Motherflame.

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Ok, I readed spoilers once again more carefully and it feels like at some point Luffy DID fought alongside Loki but something "clicked" in his df and he bolted away. Mayby he sensed that Zaza is trying to deliver the kids to ship in that desperate way but Luffy unknowingly came too late? Hmm, it's still bit too early for raws but I need to see them to know if that's true or at least seem to be right.

 

[kkck]

It's a bit weird that luffy would have a human type fruit whose failed awakening would result in a monkey. Maybe it was never a human type fruit? That said, this would definitely explain the myth about two nikas. In the past there was a nika user with a failed awakening and proceeded to destroy everything with overwhelming power and then another with a successful awakening that became the white nika. I suppose the most obvious scenario would be that joyboy was the properly awakened one but maybe the story will surprise us.

 

[AmyRose]

It's a bit weird that luffy would have a human type fruit whose failed awakening would result in a monkey. Maybe it was never a human type fruit? That said, this would definitely explain the myth about two nikas. In the past there was a nika user with a failed awakening and proceeded to destroy everything with overwhelming power and then another with a successful awakening that became the white nika. I suppose the most obvious scenario would be that joyboy was the properly awakened one but maybe the story will surprise us.

You know? If you think about it this feels like clever reference to the fact that humans and monkeys/apes have common ancestor. You know, like some ancient monkeys "stayed on all four" or on tree tops then evolved into modern monkeys and some staighten up, learned things and slowly evolved into humans. If you look at that this way this new uncontrolable form of Luffy makes more sense as "failed awakening".

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Hmm. Hey, this actually made me think: What if to completely awaken his fruit Luffy need to mix chaotic, almost feral "dark Nika" and "Warrior of Liberation" Nika? Because you know, Sun God Nika is all about freedom but freedom without any boundaries and common sense can quickly turn into pure chaos. Mayby full power of Nika fruit is about balance so freedom/liberation won't become chaotic mess.

 

[Federicoxxx]

Oh I wouldn't doubt Zoros ability to go for a kill if it's necessary to defeate someone. Unfortunately for Holy Knights actually killing them IS necessary for their defeat so if Zoro and Sanji won't strike a killing blow on them they will just regenerate and carry on. I think Oda did that on purpose to show us opponents that HAVE to die to be defeated. Some people probably complain that almost noone dies in this story so there you go: opponents that need to die for our fellas to win.

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I think that's the thing. This story will probably end with fall of World Government and from then on people will be able to live without some big mighty organization that controls everything and justify even the worst crimes if it's in their interest. But for that to happen things need to become "not good" for them.

Vegapunk is also "who knows where" since Egghead ended with all the Vegapunks exept Lilith sharing one body and leaving the island with exact thing WG needed. So yeah, WG is doomed one way or another if York won't be able to replicate Motherflame.

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Ok, I readed spoilers once again more carefully and it feels like at some point Luffy DID fought alongside Loki but something "clicked" in his df and he bolted away. Mayby he sensed that Zaza is trying to deliver the kids to ship in that desperate way but Luffy unknowingly came too late? Hmm, it's still bit too early for raws but I need to see them to know if that's true or at least seem to be right.

YEAH THATS why.. im on a contradiction in there.. is true that if they died,, as happened with Harald, is a massive blow for Imu,,cause i said many times.. CONTRACT works both ways,, if they die,, Imu's feel it,,, ¿ do you have any idea HOW HORRIBLE..it feel yourself diying when you have been avoiding it for 900 years?!...

it is very rare or non existant,, at least the main chars, the Mugiwara,,like Zoro and Sanji, could Murder them cold and merciless,,, and if it happens there wont be gore or too much blood..

maybe it can be like Vergo..but just instead of smiling they die with one of those funny horror faces...

 

[Trip_LLL]

I have many opinions about the current hints/spoilers.

The only thing I feel comfortable feeling neat about is that Imu's form might have referenced the depiction of demons from the lesser key of solomon, as those historical illustrations are well detailed and pretty wonky. Excited to see how Imu looks.
It'd be neat if there's one demon that's more represented in Imu's design, out of the 72.

 

[Karnak]

It's crazy we have sped up so quickly to the super absurd powers during Elbaph. I'm scared Oda is trying to rush this to the ending so soon.

The other Straw Hat's power gap with Luffy is starting to become almost too wide. Zoro and Sanji's powerups only seemed small at this point

 

[GARLAMD]

I’m looking forward what Chopper could bring with this new transformation. The rumble ball could ne usefull for Luffy since he is a Zoan user…

 

[Monkey D. Oma]

Bruh so sanji failed his task again? Now thanks to dark nika ‍

 

[CharlosTenryuubito]

It's crazy we have sped up so quickly to the super absurd powers during Elbaph. I'm scared Oda is trying to rush this to the ending so soon.

The other Straw Hat's power gap with Luffy is starting to become almost too wide. Zoro and Sanji's powerups only seemed small at this point

Oda has to speed up, he knows very well that finishing One Piece is his crucial goal rn given of how many breaks he needs, that number wont goes down only goes up.

 

[The Trinity]

Imu raises his own death flags and I still don't think its going to be by Luffys hands. I wonder if BBs Black Hole is capable of trapping Imu here on the lower realm and keeping him from teleporting away? Kind of exactly the thing his cunning self would do after Imu is spent.

Yeah, everybody is pointing out what SEEMS to be plot holes and keeps forgetting about ole' Blackbeard. The strawhats are trying to figure out their "true self" and how they can "be seen" while BB knew who and what he was all along. He's just waiting for the last piece of the puzzle to fall into his lap. There's no way BB walks away from this situation empty-handed. Either he'll make an appearance here or he's plotting heavily behind closed doors.

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

Imu leaving back to Marigeoise due to life constraint, the 2 God’s Knights being defeated by Zoro/Sanji, the third one Gunko leaving by herself - this is the perfect timing and place (in a giant island that knows Nika as a Warrior of Liberation and Destruction) for Oda to show Luffy losing his self control to his Zoan DF.

Now add Ussop that made a comment about going to Luffy who he is concerned about a few chapters ago, this becomes the perfect time and place for Ussop to face the God of Destruction Nika and behave as a brave warrior of the sea.

I am hype by this plot revolution with Luffy in Elbaf - it is high time Oda adresses the Zoan user losing his mind to his awakened fruit. It was not done in Egghead, it must be done before we go to Laugh Tale for the Throne War and Marigeoise for the Final War. We need to learn more about Luffy’s zoan powers and mythological god.

 

[calimike]

What are WG and xRevenantMirage trying to say!?

 

[chitgoks]

luffy as a kid is still weak. even more so in the sea. no way nika could overcome the sea's effect?

 

[Asmobot]

What are WG and xRevenantMirage trying to say!?

Worst theory I have seen in this forum

 

[Imfamux]

Also this fight seems like only fight with Luffy against Imu. This doesn’t look like initial bout before the right one happen in Mariejois, this feels like final fight. My guess is Blackbeard will take advantage of the situation and he already waits in Mariejois, ready to steal Imu’s power while he’s weakened

Don't think so.. where in the whole O.P series Luffy fight against a villain ended with 2 cp ? For real - Imu and Luffy had one 1 full cp of fight actually - and Luffy got STOMPED - why the heck you think its the FINAL fight of luffy vs Imu ? Only bc Imu showed another form ? This don't make sense ! I respetc your opnion but i think its almost impossible this thing happens - for me it's clearly the initial bout before the final fight in Mariejois - in 10 years i guess - just for you to know -

• Luffy vs. Crocodile
  • Rounds: 3 (Round 1: Ch. 177–178 | Round 2: Ch. 200–201 | Round 3: Ch. 206–209)
  • Fight Chapters: 8 chapters (Arc span: 33 chapters, Ch. 177–209)
• Luffy vs. Enel
  • Rounds: 2 (Round 1: Ch. 276–282 | Round 2: Ch. 296–298)
  • Fight Chapters: 8 chapters (Arc span: 23 chapters, Ch. 276–298)
• Luffy vs. Rob Lucci (Enies Lobby)
  • Rounds: 2 (Round 1: Ch. 383 | Round 2: Ch. 409, 418–427)
  • Fight Chapters: 12 chapters (Arc span: 45 chapters, Ch. 383–427)
• Luffy vs. Gecko Moria
  • Rounds: 2 (Round 1 / Oars & Moria: Ch. 474–479 | Round 2 / Shadows' Asgard: Ch. 481–482)
  • Fight Chapters: 7 chapters (Arc span: 9 chapters, Ch. 474–482)
• Luffy vs. Hody Jones
  • Rounds: 1 continuous round (Ch. 633–635, 641–647)
  • Fight Chapters: 7 chapters (Arc span: 15 chapters, Ch. 633–647)
• Luffy vs. Caesar Clown
  • Rounds: 2 (Round 1: Ch. 670–671 | Round 2: Ch. 689–692)
  • Fight Chapters: 5 chapters (Arc span: 23 chapters, Ch. 670–692)
• Luffy vs. Doflamingo
  • Rounds: 2 (Round 1 / Pre-G4 & Gear 4: Ch. 752, 759–760, 780–785 | 10-min cooldown | Round 2: Ch. 789–790)
  • Fight Chapters: 14 chapters (Arc span: 46 chapters, Ch. 745–790)
• Luffy vs. Katakuri
  • Rounds: 2 (Round 1: Ch. 878–885 | Escape with Brûlée | Round 2: Ch. 888–896)
  • Fight Chapters: 15 chapters (Arc span: 19 chapters, Ch. 878–896)
• Luffy vs. Kaido (Onigashima)
  • Rounds: 3 (Round 1 / Rooftop clash: Ch. 1000–1010, 1013 | Round 2 / ACoC solo: Ch. 1026–1043 | Round 3 / Gear 5: Ch. 1044–1049)
  • Fight Chapters: 18 chapters (Arc span: 50 chapters, Ch. 1000–1049)
    
    This statics are ONLY FULL FIGHT chapter 1x1 with Luffy against the boss of the arc.. so - don't make sense at all - Oda introducedthe King of the World in this arc, just to kill him offscren ssince they DIDN't had a propper battle actuallyagainst luffy- it would be the equivalent of showing Madara and right after 10 cp Kaguya !

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Worst theory I have seen in this forum

This isn't a theory i guess - just a bad trip !

 

[chess4]

Ancient technology and all Frankie got was some Pepsi?

Anyway Luffy and his crew just have to hold out a little longer, somehow Usopp's plan will contribute, but no clue on how

 

[SupremeMod]

Yoooo WTF did I just read for spoilers?

I can't believe we're getting the Monkey King Luffy people predicted years ago.... crazy.

 

[Federicoxxx]

What are WG and xRevenantMirage trying to say!?

The hell is he talking about... it was a sea king..

Period..

 

[kkck]

Now I am wondering if luffy overcoming this zoan awakening thing will result in yet another power boost for him.

 

[Reyes]

It's a bit weird that luffy would have a human type fruit whose failed awakening would result in a monkey. Maybe it was never a human type fruit? That said, this would definitely explain the myth about two nikas. In the past there was a nika user with a failed awakening and proceeded to destroy everything with overwhelming power and then another with a successful awakening that became the white nika. I suppose the most obvious scenario would be that joyboy was the properly awakened one but maybe the story will surprise us.

I mean humans are a form of monkey…