Wdym no way, you've put insane role in small games before you bum so its possible
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For yelling at Vali for being incorrect with the information that was present? You cannot be fucking serious cunt
>Vali argues that Hardy being protected can't be the reason for no kill
>I ask why, ask for evidence
>Cites that him and Marm have a theory, refuses to elaborate
>Marm (perhaps conveniently) claims Bulletproof after previously claiming active
>Vali still doesn't claim
Yet you're giving me shit for calling him out given that sequence of events? If you're town then Marms got you in a trance, and if you're not then I better not speak
Ayy chutiya
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By mafia(?) pan pushing agendas and people who aren't thinking
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I really don't like how that bear was starting to come for me in that last exchange, I see it as being a bit similar to his pom comment where he thinks there's blood in the water so he's throwing something out there to see who'll go with him on it
Gonna have to start calling you Kelso from That 70's Show
Thanks for taking the time to provide your thoughts even when you were skronked Marm.
On Vali, I agree that not claiming looks dodgy and like scum stalling (case in point, me a few games ago when I refused to claim). I don't think his general play has been very town, and a bit off in places. What did you make of him associating himself with you when he argued you agreed with him and that you both had reasons to not be claiming?
I don't think its a guarantee that Kako is sane. Pom argued that she prevented the kill N1 by protecting Hardy, Kako seemingly checked Hardy and was butting heads with him, but would he do that if he got a sane result? If it was guilty on a T!Hardy in that situation then it'd mean I'm town based on Nash's result of using an insane det to check me. You did raise the possibility that someone targeted you because you were bulletproof; what I'd like to know is why you didn't announce it last day after Pom said that if you thought she might've been wrong about that? Or did you and I missed it? Either way, I'd think Hardy a more likely target for mafia than you (no offense) which makes me think the Pom protection scenario might be the one that happened (regardless of you being bulletproof or not).
I think Dego is lying about being detective. I highly doubt there's a 2nd one assuming Nash is Town and Necro; and for that matter I do think a det in an 11 person game doesn't have to be Sane. His reasoning felt shallow, poorly explained, and poorly thought out because if he got a guilty result on Nash then still trusting her after that is a bit of a leap that I can't follow logically. Townies do illogical shit sometimes but I dunno, if a result says red you'd think more critically of that individual until you have more information.
You don't believe me and I find that a bit surprising because I reckon I'm pretty transparent. I've been sitting back a bit more because I am genuinely feeling fatigued and I've got some pretty bad phen rage from my meds that has made me a bit volatile. I can only offer so much in my circumstances because I'm Vanilla Townie and I'm not confident in how I'm going this game, but this is also high stakes as one mislynch loses it for us and I don't think anyone can realistically take a chance on me at this point.
Maybe you're all paranoid of me after that game when I was mafia recently, but I'm genuinely just town me having a stinker. I also don't think my arguments have been in bad faith; sure you can argue some might be too tunnelly/focused on just Pan, but I'm playing firm with what my reads are and trying to make my best effort. Go back to my arguing of the Pom protection for an example; I don't think its bad faith of me to have argued Hardy was town with the information we had (pom protection, lack of kill).
From my perspective, I only see a couple of possible team comps but I think positionally it comes down to this:
1. Dego/Nash
2. Copan/Marm
3. Vali/Tatsu (heavily leaning Vali) OR Hardy (in a M!Nash scenario)
I don't see you or Copan being on the same mafia team but there's a chance you're both town and barking up the wrong tree. Either way, you guys are giving each other too much rope but I guess you get that when you're bumpin uglies.
Dego/Nash is probably a contest for a spot as I don't think both claims can be true.
Lastly, 3rd slot is a bit hairy depending on scenario. I need to rack my brain more
Sorry for the wall but I wanted to make sure you weren't ignored and had something to read through to hopefully at least understand my perspective. If you don't trust me and you're town then I guess we're screwed, but hopefully some sober reflection can have you seeing the truth.
I didnt know shit, i dislike how you are singling out a single comment of my telling about my more elaborate thought process Sam.
That is misleading imo.
i will say, blockers are classic roles that are almost always present so it’s not rocket science to consider their presence. Only a bum would just assume they aren’t there
1. We don’t know what Kako did N1 so them butting heads says absolutely nothing. More people are butting heads here. He could have easily been sus of him and investigated someone else, or if he did investigste Hardy, did not want to speak on it yet to make more use of his role. It’s not that weird.
And also. Make it make sense; why would the only det NOT be sane? Especially with a necromancer, around if we believe that, that is setting town up for failure. There are no other roles that make up for that
Is it not a reasonable conclusion to reach that Kako was chasing Hardy because of a result he had on him? Seems pretty common sense to me.
I disagree with your premise of something that gives tangible information to town setting them up for failure. Both sane and insane provide results that inform town; yes one takes a bit more to figure out but ultimately it still provides a level of information. Kako had to be insane to go after Hardy like that.
Is it not a reasonable conclusion to reach that Kako was chasing Hardy because of a result he had on him? Seems pretty common sense to me.
I disagree with your premise of something that gives tangible information to town setting them up for failure. Both sane and insane provide results that inform town; yes one takes a bit more to figure out but ultimately it still provides a level of information. Kako had to be insane to go after Hardy like that.
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That comment really got on your nerves eh
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Was it Nash or Marm that Dego said he got guilty for?
(I'm really struggling atm because I'm fighting for my life on the toilet)
If Vali was mafia claiming a blocker, surely they'd have given him a target to claim?
So the field becomes:
Nashy - Necro
Marms - BP
Tatsu - Avenger
Vali - Prosti
Pan - Town
Kako - Det
Pom - Doc
Lawl - RS
proposed mafia is then?
Hardy - claims plain, but potentially guilty result on him that explains Kakos tilt
Sam - Nash necro sane det Kako for a guilty result on him + meme posting
Dego - second det claim with sus reasoning and messed up target order in explanation?
Is it not a reasonable conclusion to reach that Kako was chasing Hardy because of a result he had on him? Seems pretty common sense to me.
I disagree with your premise of something that gives tangible information to town setting them up for failure. Both sane and insane provide results that inform town; yes one takes a bit more to figure out but ultimately it still provides a level of information. Kako had to be insane to go after Hardy like that.
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That comment really got on your nerves eh
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Was it Nash or Marm that Dego said he got guilty for?
(I'm really struggling atm because I'm fighting for my life on the toilet)
Yes but again, someone with a single result might want to wait another day to confirm their sanity (especially since no one had claimed anything at the time) and to not make themselves a target for mafia at the same time. Remember that game, I think it was you even, who jumped on a single result (and it wasn’t correct because it was just 1 result so no sanity confirmation).
Kako was beefing with a lot of people. How do yoh explain his fight with Pommie then? Butting heads is part of the game. Use your head Sam.
You are just making me spin in every direction here come on, Panda said he trusted Kako before your lock if my memory serves me well. He locked it to save himself.
I don't have a passive role, got townie detective so that's why I was so low talkative, was trying to not catching attention so I can get results from my role. Got D1 Marm townie & D2 Nash mafia, but I dunno my sanity
Mb it was D1 Nash guilty and D2 Marm townie, Marm was just because I needed to choose one player that I see greener than others, while Nash was a mix between my past games and her attitude since D1
I'm not following the logic
N1: target Nash because of last game, guilty.
D2: still, trust Nash (and Marm).
N2: target Marm despite the fact that you believe she's in the same team as Nash?
In your shoes doesn't it make sense to investigate someone that you thought was in a different team compared to Nash, so you'd get different results?
If I changed my opinion of Nash just for result, maybe I can get killed before I can use it 1 o 2 times more. You are expecting too much when it's a new role for me lmao, plus I'm dumb
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Imo best thing I can did is keeping my playstyle until we need that info
Algo @Hardy , first days when I more readed Nash I agreed and thought she was townie, can't just change my opinion cause det has sanities, but when I got Marm's result I believed Nash was red and it was not the first time that I agree with her posts and got an wrong idea of her team, I fallen on that in my first game
Who cares what Lawl thinks, he didn't even believe it enough to vote him and spite voted me. And Poms posting/voting was actually inconsistent, the only thing she had going for her in the end was her claim which she did properly structure. But neither of them have privileged information that makes their takes that much more founded without any complementary reasoning. I've read Kakos posting and I thought it was overall fine. Little about it made me feel like it was suspect.
I'm considering every angle here degs, your explanation was a lil wonky but that alone isn't enough to say you're maf I'm trying to consider everything here.
If Vali was mafia claiming a blocker, surely they'd have given him a target to claim?
So the field becomes:
Nashy - Necro
Marms - BP
Tatsu - Avenger
Vali - Prosti
Pan - Town
Kako - Det
Pom - Doc
Lawl - RS
proposed mafia is then?
Hardy - claims plain, but potentially guilty result on him that explains Kakos tilt
Sam - Nash necro sane det Kako for a guilty result on him + meme posting
Dego - second det claim with sus reasoning and messed up target order in explanation?
You are just making me spin in every direction here come on, Panda said he trusted Kako before your lock if my memory serves me well. He locked it to save himself.
Yeah Lawl I had many thoughts on, which Ive explained and would be happy to repeat if need be, but Kako it was pretty much exclusively self preservation
You are just making me spin in every direction here come on, Panda said he trusted Kako before your lock if my memory serves me well. He locked it to save himself.
