Luffy vs. Zoro! Who would win?

[Neuroff]

Re: Luffy vs. Zoro! Who is stronger?

depending on the power of the rankakyu, when lucci used victorious bird luffy said if it hitted him he would be sliced in 2,

zoro has also technique's wich are so fast even soru users cant dodge,

that tiger technique,
some demon technique
and asura are so fast luffy wont dodge,

and always when luffy has to baddle vs zoro he becomes nervous somehow

i think they are equal in power, but they defeat enemies the other can not defeat

Best sample is with enel

but in luffy vs zoro, zoro wins due he is the best with swords and swords own rubber, especially since its luffy's weakness =)

Swords are NOT Luffy's weakness, they affect him about the same as they would a normal person. I'd actually say they probably do even less than they would to a normal person. If Luffy were weak to swords, he never would have been able to beat Lucci.

 

[lordHokage]

Luffy is the guy who defeated Rob Lucci, someone not even Zoro could handle. Zoro is one of the SHs strongest fighters, but Zoro would need assistance to even have a remote chance of walking away the victor in a fight with Luffy.

Well said. Rob Lucci was one of Luffy's most powerful opponents. Zoro is very strong but Monkey D. Luffy is much stronger.

 

[Razh]

Luffy is the main character. Luffy will become a pirate king. Luffy would defeat Zoro.

Anyone caught the last arc?

 

[Mr.Popo]

I think there is no huge gap in strength between Luffy and Zorro and never was!

As proof the on an only real fight between the two of them in Wiskey Peak. It is long ago and was not the most serious fight (compared to fights against major villains) but it gave us a hint: no one had a CLEAR advantage, they were quite even.

You said Luffy always fights the strongest because he is the strongest of SH. I don't think so. Luffy fights the strongest, because it is his job as the captain and also one day he wants to become pirate king.
Zoro indeed fights only less powerful enemies, but while Luffy has to go to his limits, Zoro has less problems. So he could fight stronger guys as well.

And one thing is for sure: Zoro has more stamina and/or endurance then Luffy!
After the fight against Moria and Oz, Luffy passed out without checking if Oz is really defeated. On the other hand, if Kuma wasn't lying, Zoro took all of Luffys pain and fatigue even though he was in no good condition either. And he was still standing conscious after it.

That said, i fully agree with Razh

Luffy is the main character. Luffy will become a pirate king. Luffy would defeat Zoro.

 

[Superman]

Yesss...mhhhh....no! Not really.
So you say Luffy fight the strongest only because it is his job, and Zoro fight less powerful opponents and he could beat luffys enimies?
Luffy goes to his limits and Zoro don`t....
This is one of the funniest posts ever written on MH.
Zoro would have no chance against enimies like Lucci or Moria with his whole shadows in him.
luffy beat the crap out of moria, all alone, without help.

 

[Mr.Popo]

Yesss...mhhhh....no! Not really.
So you say Luffy fight the strongest only because it is his job, and Zoro fight less powerful opponents and he could beat luffys enimies?
Luffy goes to his limits and Zoro don`t....
This is one of the funniest posts ever written on MH.
Zoro would have no chance against enimies like Lucci or Moria with his whole shadows in him.
luffy beat the crap out of moria, all alone, without help.

Sorry, but did you read my post as well as the manga?

I generalized and simplified things (especially about limits), but i never said Zorro could beat Luffys enemies. I never even said they are equal in strength.

This is fiction. Oda did his best to give everyone his own enemy he fits best to.
boss against boss, sword against sword (and woman against sanji ). Zorro would have no chance against Enel, but i doubt Luffy could have beaten Mr.1 back then.

I don't think you are right about Luffy and Moria. Sure, he fought against him all alone, but had a lot of help from Moria himself, who could not really stand 1000 shadows in him.

But i agree that Zorro could not have beaten Lucci, I mean even Luffy needed some help from Ussup, but Moria was rather weak, as he gave up on fighting for himself and let the zombies do the dirty work.

Luffy is the strongest, closely followed by Zorro and a bit later Sanji.

 

[marte1980]

Luffy is stronger, but anyway the chapters where Luffy and Zoro fought were absolutely the worst chapters of all the manga! They were the stupidest and most disturbing ones! First of all the reason to start the fight was non existent and Luffy was completely out of character to believe some stranger's words against his best friend(do you remember that he didn't believe that pirate hunter, which was his friend, when he said that Nami killed Usopp?). The fight was ridiculous, without any real scene of the fight drawn. The ending of it was funny, but utter crap for a fight. I just hope I won't ever see something like that again. If the author wants to make those 2 fight again(first thing that comes to mind is Doflamingo), he should have the courage to make it a real fight with a real winner, like the Luffy vs Usopp fight. But I hope it won't happen.

 

[Superman]

Sorry, but did you read my post as well as the manga?

I generalized and simplified things (especially about limits), but i never said Zorro could beat Luffys enemies. I never even said they are equal in strength.

This is fiction. Oda did his best to give everyone his own enemy he fits best to.
boss against boss, sword against sword (and woman against sanji ). Zorro would have no chance against Enel, but i doubt Luffy could have beaten Mr.1 back then.

I don't think you are right about Luffy and Moria. Sure, he fought against him all alone, but had a lot of help from Moria himself, who could not really stand 1000 shadows in him.

But i agree that Zorro could not have beaten Lucci, I mean even Luffy needed some help from Ussup, but Moria was rather weak, as he gave up on fighting for himself and let the zombies do the dirty work.

Luffy is the strongest, closely followed by Zorro and a bit later Sanji.

Ok i read your and my post again.
Now i got what you mean. You only meant that he could fight stronger opponents between for example kaku and lucci so simple.
I read it in a wrong angle (around the corner)
But i never said that they are equal in strength either.
You said there is not a huge gap between them and i just wanna say the gap is bigger than we (or you; i don`t mean it bad) think

Enel is a good point i wanna came with this argument in my previous post as well, but the fight was a bit out of control from Oda.
Enel is lightning and so fast as well, so he could just get behind luffy and speer him up or cut him up. He can read minds and is lightning and got his ass kicked ,by a back then, little fish. How? Normaly he can transform into lightning so he could just get into the golden ball with which he got hit. No way, but it happened! He was defeated. Enel got his appearance way to early.
So i think they both would have no chance against enel. He is one of the strongest oppenents Oda create no one could stand this force not even garp or such. (Maybe Blackbeard and Dragon but we don`t know if he can create lightning as a consequence of the weather or of controlling. He has to be logia... but if i think about it doesn`t matter if he can create lighning in a fight with enel )
Cyborgs and zombies could stand against him ( maybe) but on the other hand there is a strong physical power in Enels attacks too, but not so strong that he could destroy for example Kumas fake body. Complicated!
And he is Logia.
To describe his powers he has to get in my eyes a bounty of min. 900 million but oda said if he would be a wanted pirate he just get 500 million.
WOOOOT i got drifting i couldn`t get the eyes of my gilfriends ti.....
FUCK I GOT DRIFTING AGAIN

 

[ANBU4U]

Luffy vs Zoro

I wonder who would win heads up between Luffy and Zoro?

I believe Luffy is stronger.....but in theory Luffys biggest disadvantage should be against a swordsman, as sharp edges negate his ability to soften blunt trauma.

I really just dont know how luffy would beat a swordsman who was above or slightly below his own level of power....as a pure fighter, he's just at an extreme disadvantge,he and sanji both.

It'd be one thing if Luffy was so much better than the swordsman that he could parry all attacks at close range...but that should'nt really work against someone close to or above his own level of speed....

In fact stretching becomes an extreme liability in all but Gear 2.

Anyway...back on topic. I think Zoro can compete with Lucci at the current time, I'm not sure he could win, but I think he could force Lucci to take things seriously.

Then again the same could be said of Sanji. He did after all deflect Oz's Gumu Gumu No Bazooka with he Diable Jambe.....an attack thats was arguably more powerful than Luffys Gumu Gumu Gigant Pistol....which blacked Lucci out. (Had Lucci not been fortunate enough to land on one of the Navy ships he'd have died.)

And mind you, Sanji can deliver that level of force far swifter than luffy.

Moderator Notice:
Moved into a thread where this post is more on-topic, since this doesn't really have much to do with Lucci vs. Zoro.~ Imitorar

 

[Freakzin]

well if you think about it, anyone can get sliced up by swords, maybe just not franky, so it shouldn't be that bad for luffy, i think luffy's greatest enemies are logias, not swordsmen

 

[marte1980]

well if you think about it, anyone can get sliced up by swords, maybe just not franky, so it shouldn't be that bad for luffy, i think luffy's greatest enemies are logias, not swordsmen

Well, Logia users are the worst enemies of everyone, except for other Logia users when the elements have some particular match ups.
But, except for that, in general I agree with you, swordsman aren't the worst enemies for Luffy, Logia users are a lot worse.

 

[Navid.]

They have fought each other once already in the manga and it was a complete draw, and I believe if they were to fight again it would be another draw.

I don't know if it's because of the fans, the target audience are boys in their teens, but it's obvious Oda will always give Luffy the main opponent to cement the idea that he is the main character of the story...

Even here within mangahelpers (which I like to think is filled with a more mature group of people) you can these days notice the outcry when a second character is getting as much attention and power as the main character, in this example Naruto and Sasuke.


To talk a bit more logical about it, as I said they have already had one fight... a draw. From there they have had their own power-ups and conflicts, and as someone mentioned Luffy seems to always reach the very brink of his life to defeat the strongest opponent while Zoro hasn't reached the same state since Mihawk.

In fact we see Luffy activate and use his Gears on a regular basis since their introduction yet Zoro has not gone back to using Azura since his first use (which pretty much annihilated Kaku at the time.

So I still believe if they were to fight again, it will still end in a draw.

 

[6thangel]

I think they are about equal.

Lets not forget that for most of the manga Zoro has been injured or lost. If he wasn't seriously injured or lost then Don Krieg, Arlong (who a 100% Sanji couldn't beat) and the guy who ate everything would have been been completely stomped by having both Luffy and Zoro there. When Luffy and Zoro are both fighting enemies Luffy usually wins and immediately passes out from injuries while Zorro is still healthy enough to fight marines and walk around.

Buggy - His devil fruit is Zoro's weakness.

Cat claw guy - Zoro goes to save the girl and doesn't try to fight the next guy.

Don Krieg - Zoro is almost killed by Hawkeye so he can't fight.

Arlong - Zoro is pretty much dieing yet he still beat Hachi and holds Arlong off. A healthy Zoro makes this arc end quickly.

Eat everything guy- Zoro gets lost so he and Luffy don't stomp everyone.

Crocodile - If Zoro knows his weakness he can win. Zoro also fights Mr. 1 who I think would be Luffy's worst enemy since he couldn't even punch him, kind of like Zoro and Buggy.

Enel - Luffy happens to have the exact power capable of hurting him.

Lucchi - Very strong but here is no reason to say Zoro couldn't win. Luffy wins and can't even move afterwards while Zoro defeats Kaku and is still capable of fighting an army of marines that attack them.

Moria/Oz - Luffy wins because he gets the one time power up of the shadows and then gets help from the others to defeat Oz.

Overall I think they are about equal. Oda has done a great job of sidelining Zoro from the captain's fights without making him appear weak or turning him into a cheerleader.

 

[Superman]

I think they are about equal.

Your right.
If Luffy dont activate one of the gears or both they are equal.

If i think about.... did you mean only in strenght or in fighting style+strenght?

 

[neomaster121]

no he doesn't mean equal without gears he means nearly equal with

Zoro has proven he can handle Gear 3 Zoro easily deflects OZ attack

Gear 2 doesn't increase speed it is SORU which he uses and Zoro already countered Kaku who used Soru So Shut Up about gears boosting luffy far above Zoro unless you can show some facts which there are none with thiller bark to counter each claim u could make about gears

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/474/04/

Zoro deflecting oz's punch, with prue power...
so i think you should retract some of the rubbish you were saying about Zoro fighting luffy with gear 3

He uses Soru here http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/401/06/

then reuses Soru again http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/401/08/

now in the second page zoro's view was blocked and yet he still reacted and defended against Kaku who was using Soru

[Luckas]Please calm down.[/Luckas]

 

[DutchPhoenix]

luffy has his gears
zoro has asura.

simple

 

[KnuckleheadedNinja]

a see them drawing if they fight again.

 

[admirenkiwi]

lol whats the point of asking luffy vs zoro when we all know that answer >_>
luffy of course!
i havnt found anything to dislike about one piece yet.

 

[ANBU4U]

no he doesn't mean equal without gears he means nearly equal with

Zoro has proven he can handle Gear 3 Zoro easily deflects OZ attack

Gear 2 doesn't increase speed it is SORU which he uses and Zoro already countered Kaku who used Soru So Shut Up about gears boosting luffy far above Zoro unless you can show some facts which there are none with thiller bark to counter each claim u could make about gears

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/474/04/

Zoro deflecting oz's punch, with prue power...
so i think you should retract some of the rubbish you were saying about Zoro fighting luffy with gear 3

He uses Soru here http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/401/06/

then reuses Soru again http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/401/08/

now in the second page zoro's view was blocked and yet he still reacted and defended against Kaku who was using Soru

[Luckas]Please calm down.[/Luckas]

All Soru aren't created equal. You honestly think Blueno could keep up with Lucci?

Speaking of Blueno, his fight with Luffy proves the same point, as both could use soru.....and yet Blueno could not keep up with luffy after he started using the technique. (Which his body is only fast enough to preform in gear 2nd btw.)

And yes, gear 2nd does increase Luffy's speed. Just look at ALL of his techniques in gear 2nd.
Whats the diffrence between them and normal Luffy?
O yea....they're faster
So why on earth wouldn't luffy in general be faster? That would make no sense at all.

 

[DutchPhoenix]

i remmeber oda once saying luffy and zoro are equal but with different abilities that back eachother up, dunno remember where i readed that