Luffy vs. Zoro! Who would win?

[neomaster121]

I think you're over-rating Mr 1 a bit too much. Like many early enemies of One Piece, Mr 1 had an amazing power, but he did not use it at the level we would imagine it. Mr 1 barely coated his entire body in steel, but did it in sections with some prediction of Zoro's attacks. We've already seen Luffy, only 3 islands prior to this, break through Kreig's golden armour and while I'm not saying "Well Kreig's defence > Mr 1's", its wrong to also assume that Luffy would stand no chance against a thin layer of steel.

And crocodile was so badly a bigger threat compared to Mr 1. Between holding back the rain, making sandstorms, defeating bison-guy, duck squad, Luffy two times, Robin and being much more intelligent, Crocodile was always stronger, and always will be, than a miner-assassin.

By the same token, Mr 1 was not weak. Just countering your argument.

The thing is it wasn't just steel it was blades
imagine luffy trying to punch through the sharp side of sharps blades

im just saying at that time luffy couldn't beat mr 1

random note
anyone watch 377 probably my best episode so far
that episode was so whoa

 

[kkck]

I was under the impresion that mr 1's body was entirely made out of steel, not just the outside, in the same way all of luffy's body is made out of rubber.

 

[paradoxe]

The thing is it wasn't just steel it was blades
imagine luffy trying to punch through the sharp side of sharps blades

im just saying at that time luffy couldn't beat mr 1

Nope he could.

I was under the impresion that mr 1's body was entirely made out of steel, not just the outside, in the same way all of luffy's body is made out of rubber.

Well your impression was wrong then wasn't it?

Because his power was to turn any part of his body into steel blades..its not the same thing as having a steel body I'm afraid.

 

[neomaster121]

Nope he could.



Well your impression was wrong then wasn't it?

Because his power was to turn any part of his body into steel blades..its not the same thing as having a steel body I'm afraid.

at that time how would he win
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Oda says in the yellow databook the two are equal

Originally Posted by One Piece Yellow
Rononoa Zoro - A Combatant
"If you are uncertain as well, then who else can we trust?!!"
Zoro trusts Luffy and they quickly became companions that can entrust their lives into each others' hands. He can be said to be the pirate crew's vice-captain and a trustworthy companion.
Absolute trust in the captain!!
Follow the captain's orders without hesitation - this is the attitude that Zoro always has, because he has faith in Luffy from the bottom of his heart! He has an equally high fighting power as Luffy and when the need arises, he will be the first person to charge forth. Even though he has a devil-like fighting capability, he recognizes Luffy's position as the captain. Moreover, even when Luffy makes the wrong decision, he will give his best to rectify the mistake and never complains. This is Zoro's attitude.
Picture of Zoro with his face smashed:
Caption: Sharing a sense of mutuality with Luffy, Zoro puts up with the enemy's beatings without making noise.
Picture of Zoro charging with sword:
"Cut the great beanstalk down towards the west side"
Caption: With just a tiny hint, he is able to understand Luffy's intentions correctly and take action immediately.
Picture at the bottom:
Zoro: Now is the moment that is crucial for all the members. Is this decision merely that fella's whim or is it something else?
Caption: Though this may lead the the destruction of the entire crew, he quietly accepts Luffy's orders.
<next page>
The man's loyalty that is faithfully maintained!!
Top picture
Zoro: ....that should be the captain's responsibility, right?!!!
Luffy: .....!!
Caption: Confronting the downcast Luffy and questions Luffy's preparedness for his role as captain seriously.
Left picture
Zoro: I will not allow anyone who intends to fetch Yusop to go out
Luffy: Eh...? Why?!?
Caption: He took on a strong stance against Yusop, who broke the rules among the crew. When it is time to be incompassionate, he will become incompassionate.
Picture with Zoro tugging Luffy's cheek
Zoro: I don't care even though you guys are slack normally, however, I will not allow the person I chose to be captain to lose his dignity.
Luffy: I will not recognise the person who go against my will as my companion.
Caption: He takes forceful corrective action when the captain loses his dignity.
Big Zoro picture: We wait here for Luffy!
Box at left bottom corner
Complete Trust, Uniform Steps
Zoro understands Luffy and knows his way of thinking, this is the mutual understanding they have developed after being companions for a long time.
Picture top
"You need to light a fire when you camp outside, isn't that usually the case?"
"Even if your life is in danger, you should always light a fire, that is the humane thing to do."
"You're a bunch of idiots!"
Picture bottom:
Zoro: This is the wood pieces formation right?
Angry person: Why are you guys so enthusiastic as well?
Caption: His idea of camping is so similar to Sanji's when they work together.

Zoro vs luffy would be a tight battle no matter past opponents

 

[Dice]

Nope he could.



Well your impression was wrong then wasn't it?

Because his power was to turn any part of his body into steel blades..its not the same thing as having a steel body I'm afraid.

Well I always thought that his whole body is made of steel. And additionally he can turn parts of it into steelblades if needed.
So his body would be more solid than Krieg's armor. Additionally Mr. 1 is quite fast and strong.
IF Luffy could beat him at that time it wouldn't be an easy fight

And I think that the chance that Zoro accidentally beats crocodile (because Crocodile thinks that he is superior and ignores the fact that Zoro's blade are drenched in blood) is bigger than Luffy beating Mr. 1^^

 

[Kaiser Will]

It's hard to say because both have different fight styles, but in what I see in Whiskey Peak, neither of them will win, so probably a drawn! Because Luffy won't fight in his full potential, the same for Zoro!

 

[Tenryuken]

Zoro will win cuz they have the same power level(Oda said it) but zoro is fighting with swords and Luffy with his bare hands.

Well I always thought that his whole body is made of steel. And additionally he can turn parts of it into steelblades if needed.
So his body would be more solid than Krieg's armor.

You're 100% right. Oda said that Daz Bones body in in steel.

IF Luffy could beat him at that time it wouldn't be an easy fight.

IMPOSSIBLE.

And I think that the chance that Zoro accidentally beats crocodile (because Crocodile thinks that he is superior and ignores the fact that Zoro's blade are drenched in blood) is bigger than Luffy beating Mr. 1^^

It's my opinion too.

 

[Jaggerjack]

Luffy, hands down. The entire point of him being the captain is that he has the title of the strongest in the entire group. Though they're both equally strong, physically, Luffy's intent and conviction are far greater than Zoro's, and that affects everything in a fight.

Look at what he did on Enies Lobby. He beat over 1000 soldiers on his own, ground Blueno into the dust with a nearly flawless victory, and then fought and won against Rob Lucci, all in 2 or 3 hours.

 

[Tenryuken]

The entire point of him being the captain is that he has the title of the strongest in the entire group.

Not only Zoro but Robin is also stronger than him.

 

[Razh]

Not only Zoro but Robin is also stronger than him.

Sure she is. She has all those moves that can seriously damage a man made of rubber.

Speaking of Daz Bones, he has an iron blade fruit and his body is not constantly steel. I think that comes from training his DF to the fullest.

 

[DutchPhoenix]

you guys really think luffy can keep on par with zoro's strenght who is training 24/7?

 

[Razh]

you guys really think luffy can keep on par with zoro's strenght who is training 24/7?

From which chapter did you start reading?

And yes, I really do think so, since in One Piece it doesn't matter who is shown training the most.

And so far, Luffy was shown to be able to do a lot more than Zoro. At least, in One Piece manga that I have been reading.

 

[Tenryuken]

@Razh
About Daz Bones.
OP Red Data Book, p. 56!

P.S. you should send Oda a letter to notify him about his mistake.

 

[Gecko Moria]

Safest thing to say...long drawn out battle resulting in a tie. Both are insanely strong and can take tons of damage. Zoro would have a advantage since Luffy still gets hurt by swords but Luffy can go Gear and other gomu gomu stuff.

 

[Razh]

@Razh
About Daz Bones.
OP Red Data Book, p. 56!

P.S. you should send Oda a letter to notify him about his mistake.

I'm really getting tired of your ill mannered sarcasm. Least you could do is provide a link to the page.
And Oda's adress.

Since I don't know what it says in OP Red Data Book, p. 56, I can't really respond.

 

[goldb]

@razh: lol i feel ur fustration, it seems ppl are gettin more n more sarcastic these days hehehe.

anyways, luffy is captain for a reason, if zoro was stronger than luffy he wouldn't allow himself to be his subordinate, but instead leave and follow his own path...coz zoro is the kind of person that wouldn't take orders from someone he sees as being inferior to him

 

[Tenryuken]

That's a real joke.
Zoro only followed Luffy because Luffy saved his life.
He had the choice between getting killed or letting Luffy save him.
He accepted Luffy's proposition on the condition that he could continue to follow is goal.
Luffy never asked anybody the permission to be Captain.
If they didn't wanted to join his crew, they wouln't.
It's not like he beat them first and made them join his crew.

 

[Razh]

Thanks for the link on Red Databook page. It shows how benevolent you are.
Now I can understand Nigel Powers a little better. The thing about Belgians.

So, in what areas is Zoro better than Luffy?
His strenght? No, they are equal at best.
Speed? Luffy is faster.
Strenght of will? Gimme a break. Equal at best.

Sure, Zoro is a lot closer to Luffy now than he was near the beginning but Luffy is still the strongest, and it will stay that way. Because Luffy is the main character here, and nothing you say is going to change that. He'll always be the toughest in the end.

The argument which states that Zoro trains 24/7 is funniest. It would be valid if Zoro was the only character that advances, becomes stronger, faster, developes new techniques. Which he is not.

 

[Tenryuken]

Thanks for the link on Red Databook page. It shows how benevolent you are.
Now I can understand Nigel Powers a little better. The thing about Belgians.

So, in what areas is Zoro better than Luffy?
His strenght? No, they are equal at best.
Speed? Luffy is faster.
Strenght of will? Gimme a break. Equal at best.

Sure, Zoro is a lot closer to Luffy now than he was near the beginning but Luffy is still the strongest, and it will stay that way. Because Luffy is the main character here, and nothing you say is going to change that. He'll always be the toughest in the end.

The argument which states that Zoro trains 24/7 is funniest. It would be valid if Zoro was the only character that advances, becomes stronger, faster, developes new techniques. Which he is not.

1st of all I bought the Red Data Book, it' 10€ max.
2ndly, Luffy can use Soru, I know but Zoro was equally fast as Kaku using Soru while Luffy had to go Gear 2 to match Lucci speed and Lucci was still faster so your argument that Luffy is faster than Zoro failed.
At 3rd there are downloads from Data Books here in MH and I think the Red Data book is also part of it. Even if it's in Jap there is a diagram in witch you can see the strenght of eatch SH and Luffy and Zoro have the same strenght but Sanji is one level down. So this argument is also failed.

The argument from Zoro training 24/7 is not mine.

 

[Razh]

1st of all I bought the Red Data Book, it' 10€ max.

I'd have to travel to another country to get it, or order it online, which is pretty bothersome, since manga's aren't sold much in my country.
And it wasn't about the stupid databook. When you give out such an argument, least you can do is write what it says.

2ndly, Luffy can use Soru, I know but Zoro was equally fast as Kaku using Soru while Luffy had to go Gear 2 to match Lucci speed and Lucci was still faster so your argument that Luffy is faster than Zoro failed.

Lucci's and Kaku's speed aren't the same. Seemed to me that Lucci is strongest and fastest among CP9. And Zoro wasn't equally fast as Kaku, it's just that his battle style didn't allow Kaku to use his speed to his advantage.

At 3rd there are downloads from Data Books here in MH and I think the Red Data book is also part of it. Even if it's in Jap there is a diagram in witch you can see the strenght of eatch SH and Luffy and Zoro have the same strenght but Sanji is one level down. So this argument is also failed.

Haven't seen it yet, but I'll trust your word for it. Databook is being downloaded.
And stats aren't really a deciding factor in fights.
For once, I would like someone who says that Zoro would win to simply analyze his abillities, his advantages and disadvantages.

So far, Luffy has beaten all the stronger opponents. Some of you may say that Zoro could beat them too, but that's just guesses.

The argument from Zoro training 24/7 is not mine.

Nor did I say that it was.