Fantasy Lucy vs Elfman

[Livinbreathineatin]

Elfman fought Lucy with Mirajane backing him up and still didn't defeat her. So no I don't think elfman can defeat Lucy. Using his fight with Madmole is pointless as we already know Lucy is durable enough to withstand Elfman Lion form as it was shown.

Just as Elfman tanked Lucy attack, Lucy did the same to his attacks. So I am not seeing your logic here about he defeats her. He along with Mirajane hits her multiple times and Lucy is still in prime fighting condition as she goes to fight multiple other battles. Already pointing out the difference between the two. Elfman is a one trick pony in the since all his attacks are punch physical based while Lucy could immobilize and attack him in many different ways. Without Mirajane backing him up I don't see Elfman overwhelming Lucy unless she is hella incompetent.

The difference between you Elfman stans and us Lucy fans is we aren't downplaying elfman as you guys are downplaying Lucy. You fail guys fail to address the most important thing in this battle is how does he actually take out Lucy? His lion form wasn't strong enough so what other form would be?

I keep seeing people say his Lion form would easily take out Lucy but truth is his Lion form was just about as effective against Lucy as Lucy's Stardress mix Leo x Virgo against The Strauss Siblings.

I’m legitimately talking to a brick wall. There was not an inabitliy to defeat Lucy THEY JUST DIDN’T GET AROUND TO IT????? Again, it was not an extreme diff fight. It couldn’t haven’t gone either way. The fight was simply interrupted. It’s not “Elfman and mira aren’t strong enough to defeat Lucy” it’s actually “Mirajane and Elfman had to stop fighting Lucy before they beat her and fight people who are stronger”.

“Elfman had mirajane and couldn’t defeat Lucy” oh yes because Mirajane and Elfman at full power can’t defeat Lucy who literally embarrasses herself fighting at least once an arc. One shot by Kyria, useless special move, spirits get one shot regularly and are useless and that’s just from the 100YR quest itself. Don’t make your fave make you lose common sense, please and thanks.

Elfman’s Lion form beat Loke and there’s nothing to suggest he even attacked Lucy once whilst her SDM nuke couldn’t even knock him out of his Lion form. Lucy was getting pressured by regular attacks and then her two of her spirits got one shot???? Actually I don’t even know why I even bother it’s not like you like listening to facts.

Also Elfman that fought Madmole isn’t the same as the Elfman who fought Lucy since against Madmole, Elfman actually had to put in effort and he actually sustained enough damage to change his form. Against Lucy he spent most of his time playing around with fodder Loke. Nice try, tho. Lucy did not have him on ropes or require much effort whilst fighting. Like literally go re read when Skullion and Madmole appear and Mira and Elfman actually start taking their opponents seriously.

Again, Lucy’s spirits got one shot. multiple of them. Her spirits were tied up. New attack that she can only use ONCE did superficial damage. The fight wasn’t as long as the Strausses vs the DE’s. Like how many more facts do I have to throw at you for you to just stop lol. Next thing you know Lucy can stalemate Madmole and Skullion because Mira and Elfman didn’t beat her after a short interaction boy if you don’t get some sense..... Like you probably believe Lucy fought on par with Brandish in the Alvarez arc.

 

[Cosmicstar]

I’m legitimately talking to a brick wall. There was not an inabitliy to defeat Lucy THEY JUST DIDN’T GET AROUND TO IT????? Again, it was not an extreme diff fight. It couldn’t haven’t gone either way. The fight was simply interrupted. It’s not “Elfman and mira aren’t strong enough to defeat Lucy” it’s actually “Mirajane and Elfman had to stop fighting Lucy before they beat her and fight people who are stronger”.

“Elfman had mirajane and couldn’t defeat Lucy” oh yes because Mirajane and Elfman at full power can’t defeat Lucy who literally embarrasses herself fighting at least once an arc. One shot by Kyria, useless special move, spirits get one shot regularly and are useless and that’s just from the 100YR quest itself. Don’t make your fave make you lose common sense, please and thanks.

Elfman’s Lion form beat Loke and there’s nothing to suggest he even attacked Lucy once whilst her SDM nuke couldn’t even knock him out of his Lion form. Lucy was getting pressured by regular attacks and then her two of her spirits got one shot???? Actually I don’t even know why I even bother it’s not like you like listening to facts.

Also Elfman that fought Madmole isn’t the same as the Elfman who fought Lucy since against Madmole, Elfman actually had to put in effort and he actually sustained enough damage to change his form. Against Lucy he spent most of his time playing around with fodder Loke. Nice try, tho. Lucy did not have him on ropes or require much effort whilst fighting. Like literally go re read when Skullion and Madmole appear and Mira and Elfman actually start taking their opponents seriously.

Again, Lucy’s spirits got one shot. multiple of them. Her spirits were tied up. New attack that she can only use ONCE did superficial damage. The fight wasn’t as long as the Strausses vs the DE’s. Like how many more facts do I have to throw at you for you to just stop lol. Next thing you know Lucy can stalemate Madmole and Skullion because Mira and Elfman didn’t beat her after a short interaction boy if you don’t get some sense..... Like you probably believe Lucy fought on par with Brandish in the Alvarez arc.

Talking to you is like talking to a brick wall. Loke didn't get one shot by Elfman we see Elfman and Mirajane constantly attacking them. We also saw Loke block Lion form punch without a scratch.

It was never said Elfman fought harder against Madmole then he fought against Lucy. Did he not fight Madmole in the same form her fought Lucy? Can you provide me a panel of Elfman stating he wasn't fighting Lucy seriously. Also how do you know Lucy vs the Strauss wasn't as long majority of both fights were off paneled.

Here is Elfman+Mirajane attacking Lucy and Leo:

Spoiler

Here is Leo blocking Elfman lion form with no magic:

Spoiler

Also what other attacks does Elfman have besides punches? Please proved panels as you claim you spit facts yet have yet to see one panel backing your claims.

The Strauss siblings were fighting Lucy for a good while before the DE showed up so get out of here with that they didn't have time to get around to it. Come on now do better. Also that Kiria roar one took out Wendy, Erza and the water god too so stop acting like it was just some random attack.

Once you show me a move from Elfman that can knock Lucy out we can continue this conversation until then please hush. Matter of a fact give me a play by play of how the fight goes down without dumbing down either side. Both sides are fighting at their best. I think the issue you are having is you are disregarding Lucy's power while hyping up Elfmans.


Here is my play by play of the fight:

Elfman starts in his Lion Form while Lucy starts with her Leo form and summons Virgo and Leo.

Elfman attacks Lucy but Leo blocks.

Leo goes flying back but is unscathed.

Virgo then uses Spica to trap Elfman in the ground
Spica:

Spoiler

Spoiler

Lucy then uses Sagittarius Stardress to fire energy Arrows at him.

Spoiler

So far Lucy has the upperhand in the battle and haven't nerfed either side. I had Elfman start in his Lion Form while Lucy use the same thing she used before. So are you still with me?

Elfman goes into his beast soul and breaks free of Spica. This is the only form shown strong enough to destroy solid Earth.

Leo uses Regulas radiance to restrict Elfman's vision while Lucy goes into Taurus form. She then summons Gemini(After unsummoning Virgo) to transform into herself and to go into Taurus form.

Spoiler

Spoiler

Spoiler

Spoiler

Spoiler

Spoiler

Together Lucy and Gemini restrain Elfman for a little bit while Leo punches him with Regulas punches. Before you say she isn't strong enough. Regular Lucy was able to momentarliy restrain a giant octupus powerful enough to destroy the entire ground:

Spoiler

Elfman breaks free of Lucy's restraint and Punches Leo away.

Gemini transformed as Lucy summons Virgo and Scorpio and transforms into Sagittarius form. Lucy transforms into Scorpio form.

Scorpio uses Sandbuster to blow Elfman away with Lucy doing the same thing she did to Brandish in Scorpio form by punching and kicking him. Gemini fires Sagittarius arrows at Elfman. Elfman is on the defensive trying to fight the current of the sand and the blast of the arrows.

Elfman transform into his Sand Beast and tries to attack Scorpio but Virgo once again uses Spica to trap him. Lucy transforms into Aquarius mode and uses Aquametria. Gemini transforms into Stardress Mix and uses Lion maiden combined with Virgo and Leo for a combo attack leaving Elfman moderately injured. Gemini then uses Stardress Mix Scorpio X Aquarius to further injure Elfman before disappearing.

At this point Elfman has yet to land a hit on Lucy while Lucy has been spamming him with assualts. She cast Urano Metria to finish him off.


Now you see how I had Elfman use his power respectfully without nerfing him but showed you how much of his power can be countered. This is how the battle would go without either side being nerfed. Lucy's not going to just use Leo form, Virgo isn't going to stand idly by and wait for punishment and Leo is actually going to use his light magic. Beyond that those won't be the only spirits summoned. Just as I didn't restrict Lucy's magic, I didn't restrict Elfman's either so you can't claim I played favortism. I layed out a form for both and thought about if the other party had a way to counter the other. This is how the battles is suppose to go.

Give me your play by play of the battle without bias and taking both sides abilities into consideration and how it would effect the other.

Saying Elfman goes into Lion form and punches Lucy until she passes out doesn't cut it as that totally disregard the many ways Lucy can counter.

 

[kian]

didn’t know we were writing fan fiction now lol

 

[Demon Hunter]

probably Elfman for now.

I expect Lucy to surpass most FT cast by EoS.

 

[Ramen]

What's going on with this debate? It's a bunch of mush.

 

[mwarren100]

probably Elfman for now.

I expect Lucy to surpass most of FT cast by EoS.

I'm cool with that.

 

[yutu]

Here is Elfman+Mirajane attacking Lucy and Leo:

Spoiler

this page shows that it is Mirajane who confronts leo and not elfman.

 

[grey matter]

this page shows that it is Mirajane who confronts leo and not elfman.

Thats reaching dude.

 

[Livinbreathineatin]

Talking to you is like talking to a brick wall. Loke didn't get one shot by Elfman we see Elfman and Mirajane constantly attacking them. We also saw Loke block Lion form punch without a scratch.

It was never said Elfman fought harder against Madmole then he fought against Lucy. Did he not fight Madmole in the same form her fought Lucy? Can you provide me a panel of Elfman stating he wasn't fighting Lucy seriously. Also how do you know Lucy vs the Strauss wasn't as long majority of both fights were off paneled.

Here is Elfman+Mirajane attacking Lucy and Leo:

Spoiler

Here is Leo blocking Elfman lion form with no magic:

Spoiler

Also what other attacks does Elfman have besides punches? Please proved panels as you claim you spit facts yet have yet to see one panel backing your claims.

The Strauss siblings were fighting Lucy for a good while before the DE showed up so get out of here with that they didn't have time to get around to it. Come on now do better. Also that Kiria roar one took out Wendy, Erza and the water god too so stop acting like it was just some random attack.

Once you show me a move from Elfman that can knock Lucy out we can continue this conversation until then please hush. Matter of a fact give me a play by play of how the fight goes down without dumbing down either side. Both sides are fighting at their best. I think the issue you are having is you are disregarding Lucy's power while hyping up Elfmans.


Here is my play by play of the fight:

Elfman starts in his Lion Form while Lucy starts with her Leo form and summons Virgo and Leo.

Elfman attacks Lucy but Leo blocks.

Leo goes flying back but is unscathed.

Virgo then uses Spica to trap Elfman in the ground
Spica:

Spoiler

Spoiler

Lucy then uses Sagittarius Stardress to fire energy Arrows at him.

Spoiler

So far Lucy has the upperhand in the battle and haven't nerfed either side. I had Elfman start in his Lion Form while Lucy use the same thing she used before. So are you still with me?

Elfman goes into his beast soul and breaks free of Spica. This is the only form shown strong enough to destroy solid Earth.

Leo uses Regulas radiance to restrict Elfman's vision while Lucy goes into Taurus form. She then summons Gemini(After unsummoning Virgo) to transform into herself and to go into Taurus form.

Spoiler

Spoiler

Spoiler

Spoiler

Spoiler

Spoiler

Together Lucy and Gemini restrain Elfman for a little bit while Leo punches him with Regulas punches. Before you say she isn't strong enough. Regular Lucy was able to momentarliy restrain a giant octupus powerful enough to destroy the entire ground:

Spoiler

Elfman breaks free of Lucy's restraint and Punches Leo away.

Gemini transformed as Lucy summons Virgo and Scorpio and transforms into Sagittarius form. Lucy transforms into Scorpio form.

Scorpio uses Sandbuster to blow Elfman away with Lucy doing the same thing she did to Brandish in Scorpio form by punching and kicking him. Gemini fires Sagittarius arrows at Elfman. Elfman is on the defensive trying to fight the current of the sand and the blast of the arrows.

Elfman transform into his Sand Beast and tries to attack Scorpio but Virgo once again uses Spica to trap him. Lucy transforms into Aquarius mode and uses Aquametria. Gemini transforms into Stardress Mix and uses Lion maiden combined with Virgo and Leo for a combo attack leaving Elfman moderately injured. Gemini then uses Stardress Mix Scorpio X Aquarius to further injure Elfman before disappearing.

At this point Elfman has yet to land a hit on Lucy while Lucy has been spamming him with assualts. She cast Urano Metria to finish him off.


Now you see how I had Elfman use his power respectfully without nerfing him but showed you how much of his power can be countered. This is how the battle would go without either side being nerfed. Lucy's not going to just use Leo form, Virgo isn't going to stand idly by and wait for punishment and Leo is actually going to use his light magic. Beyond that those won't be the only spirits summoned. Just as I didn't restrict Lucy's magic, I didn't restrict Elfman's either so you can't claim I played favortism. I layed out a form for both and thought about if the other party had a way to counter the other. This is how the battles is suppose to go.

Give me your play by play of the battle without bias and taking both sides abilities into consideration and how it would effect the other.

Saying Elfman goes into Lion form and punches Lucy until she passes out doesn't cut it as that totally disregard the many ways Lucy can counter.

And we also saw that Loke didn’t attack Elfman once yet he ended up defeated.

They didn’t get around to it. What’s so hard about a basic concept to grasp? You do realize the alternative is you saying Lucy is too strong for Mirajane + Elfman to defeat with all of their power (they didn’t use all of their power), and anyone that believes that is..........

Do I have to explain to you how fights work? You use more energy against stronger opponents. Hence why Mira actually used a nuke against Skullion and why Elfman actually injured himself against Madmole so much he was knocked out of his Lion form. The most Lucy got from Mira was punched, no nuke, and she couldn’t injure either of the Duo out of their forms. When Lucy left the duo whilst they fought the DE’S, she had time to meet up with Cana and Gray, then they all devised a plan and still had time to watch the fight and jump the duo afterwards.

Okay, so I read your fanfiction and it’s cute. Even though Elfman used, what 2 forms? He wouldn’t use his Weretiger form to move faster, avoid Lucy’s attacks and close the distance? He wouldn’t use his Lizard form to tank all the attack’s Lucy throws at him, especially when that form is specifically used to make the tank tankier? He’d be rendered helpless by freaking Virgo? The panel you showed shows Kyria busted out of Virgo’s trap in like a second. Elfman managed to injure Madmole but can’t bust out of Virgo’s trap? You do realize that’s not keeping him down, right? You didn’t even think of how likely it would be that Elfman lands a powerful blow on any of the spirits or Lucy herself? Your scenario has Elfman unable to land a single hit on Lucy even though he’s tagged characters like Ajeel and Madmole before? He One shot Etherious Seilah. He actually defeated a Spriggan (with help) and can injure a DE but he can’t take down any of Lucy’s spirits or injure her himself? Even though he fought one of Lucy’s spirits before, Loke, and was unscathed and Loke was defeated?

But don’t get me wrong, it’s a cute fight. You really hyped Lucy up.

 

[yutu]

And we also saw that Loke didn’t attack Elfman once yet he ended up defeated.

They didn’t get around to it. What’s so hard about a basic concept to grasp? You do realize the alternative is you saying Lucy is too strong for Mirajane + Elfman to defeat with all of their power (they didn’t use all of their power), and anyone that believes that is..........

Do I have to explain to you how fights work? You use more energy against stronger opponents. Hence why Mira actually used a nuke against Skullion and why Elfman actually injured himself against Madmole so much he was knocked out of his Lion form. The most Lucy got from Mira was punched, no nuke, and she couldn’t injure either of the Duo out of their forms. When Lucy left the duo whilst they fought the DE’S, she had time to meet up with Cana and Gray, then they all devised a plan and still had time to watch the fight and jump the duo afterwards.

Okay, so I read your fanfiction and it’s cute. Even though Elfman used, what 2 forms? He wouldn’t use his Weretiger form to move faster, avoid Lucy’s attacks and close the distance? He wouldn’t use his Lizard form to tank all the attack’s Lucy throws at him, especially when that form is specifically used to make the tank tankier? He’d be rendered helpless by freaking Virgo? The panel you showed shows Kyria busted out of Virgo’s trap in like a second. Elfman managed to injure Madmole but can’t bust out of Virgo’s trap? You do realize that’s not keeping him down, right? You didn’t even think of how likely it would be that Elfman lands a powerful blow on any of the spirits or Lucy herself? Your scenario has Elfman unable to land a single hit on Lucy even though he’s tagged characters like Ajeel and Madmole before? He One shot Etherious Seilah. He actually defeated a Spriggan (with help) and can injure a DE but he can’t take down any of Lucy’s spirits or injure her himself? Even though he fought one of Lucy’s spirits before, Loke, and was unscathed and Loke was defeated?

But don’t get me wrong, it’s a cute fight. You really hyped Lucy up.

But the rope indicates more that it was mirajane who conquered her. I have one thing I don’t understand why Mirajane is always included in the Elfman vs. lucy fight. What Mira did during Aldoron’s war against Lucy should not be taken into account in a fight between Elfman and Lucy. So including her victory over the Virgin and, in my opinion, the Lion’s victory too. Except that we have never seen d’Elfman’s fight against Ajeel and Madmol, little Lisanna and Mira played a big role against them. He shot seilah thanks to Mira who controlled him and he fell from very high to knock seilah out. Wounded an ED, madmole had scratches that’s not really wounded. Natsu has done more damage to madmole than Elfman.

 

[Cosmicstar]

And we also saw that Loke didn’t attack Elfman once yet he ended up defeated.

They didn’t get around to it. What’s so hard about a basic concept to grasp? You do realize the alternative is you saying Lucy is too strong for Mirajane + Elfman to defeat with all of their power (they didn’t use all of their power), and anyone that believes that is..........

Do I have to explain to you how fights work? You use more energy against stronger opponents. Hence why Mira actually used a nuke against Skullion and why Elfman actually injured himself against Madmole so much he was knocked out of his Lion form. The most Lucy got from Mira was punched, no nuke, and she couldn’t injure either of the Duo out of their forms. When Lucy left the duo whilst they fought the DE’S, she had time to meet up with Cana and Gray, then they all devised a plan and still had time to watch the fight and jump the duo afterwards.

Okay, so I read your fanfiction and it’s cute. Even though Elfman used, what 2 forms? He wouldn’t use his Weretiger form to move faster, avoid Lucy’s attacks and close the distance? He wouldn’t use his Lizard form to tank all the attack’s Lucy throws at him, especially when that form is specifically used to make the tank tankier? He’d be rendered helpless by freaking Virgo? The panel you showed shows Kyria busted out of Virgo’s trap in like a second. Elfman managed to injure Madmole but can’t bust out of Virgo’s trap? You do realize that’s not keeping him down, right? You didn’t even think of how likely it would be that Elfman lands a powerful blow on any of the spirits or Lucy herself? Your scenario has Elfman unable to land a single hit on Lucy even though he’s tagged characters like Ajeel and Madmole before? He One shot Etherious Seilah. He actually defeated a Spriggan (with help) and can injure a DE but he can’t take down any of Lucy’s spirits or injure her himself? Even though he fought one of Lucy’s spirits before, Loke, and was unscathed and Loke was defeated?

But don’t get me wrong, it’s a cute fight. You really hyped Lucy up.

I am going to to shut you down real quick.

First off you still failed to give a play by play. Elfman defeated Ajeel with Lissana help and he had a form specifically designed to negate Ajeel sand. Also this was the same Ajeel who couldn't take out Lissana either yet did it twice. So that is irrelevant here. He defeated Seiliah via a surprise attack from Mirajane controlling him. Also Mirajane weaking Seliah by use takeover to Drain her a bit. Doesn't apply here. Also stop trying say Kyria brushed it off like she used some random attack. She used an attack that knocked out everyone in the room which included Wendy, Erza, Lucy, etc and destroyed the entire room with the roar to get out of spica. Elfman doesn't have any attack in his entire arsenal to compare to Kyria Dragon roar.

Even if Elfman does go Weretiger it doesn't change anything. Lucy simply dodges his attacks while the other two attack. Lucy was already dodging Lissana cat form which is a speed type don't see this being any different. He goes into his Lizard form great he simply remains on the defensive he still doesn't beat Lucy.

Where is your play by play? Oh wait you don't have one because you can't come up with an actual way for Elfman to win without pulling things from your behind.

 

[Axiomus]

this page shows that it is Mirajane who confronts leo and not elfman.

Actually both panels are facing the reader, so Mirajane would technically be face to face with Lucy. But this doesn't really prove anything either way. All we know for sure was that Loke ended up getting tied up.

 

[Lucy>Wendy&Elfman]

Lucy wins this, mid or high-diff.
Yes, in 100YQ Chapter 32, she didn't beat Elfman and Mirajane with her spell Leon Maiden (Star Dress Mix: Leo x Virgo Form) but I think she's wasn't at her max and she has already use a lot of magic before. If she cast Urano Metria, she could beat Elfman in my opinion. And maybe hurt a lot Mirajane?

EDIT: she also could beat Elfman by using her Taurus Form, and with Taurus's help

 

[Ronin31]

The main characters depend of their will to fight.

She was afraid to confront Mirajane and Elfman was here with great physical stats as well, enough to tank one of her strongest spell without a scratch. Lucy was afraid because she knew Mirajane is stronger than her, a charismatic S-Class and she was versus friends as well.

I can see same circumstance vs Mimi in first round. Lucy was afraid, coudn't do anything vs this monster. In round 2, she wasn't afraid anymore, her strength rised greatly to the point she could damage Mimi and put a win with strategy and her most powerful spell. I can see Mimi as a female Elfman and the difference between round 1 and round 2 showed clearly that Lucy's strenght is base on a will and confident mood. If Lucy is fighting Elfman at 100%, with determination, she can put a win like vs Mimi. If she is afraid like vs Mirajane as exemple, her level is reduced and doomed to fall against the tank.

But Lucy has weapons to win here, so I give her my vote. Lucy isn't anymore a weakling. She is now a powerful wizard.

 

[grey matter]

The main characters depend of their will to fight.

She was afraid to confront Mirajane and Elfman was here with great physical stats as well, enough to tank one of her strongest spell without a scratch. Lucy was afraid because she knew Mirajane is stronger than her, a charismatic S-Class and she was versus friends as well.

I can see same circumstance vs Mimi in first round. Lucy was afraid, coudn't do anything vs this monster. In round 2, she wasn't afraid anymore, her strength rised greatly to the point she could damage Mimi and put a win with strategy and her most powerful spell. I can see Mimi as a female Elfman and the difference between round 1 and round 2 showed clearly that Lucy's strenght is base on a will and confident mood. If Lucy is fighting Elfman at 100%, with determination, she can put a win like vs Mimi. If she is afraid like vs Mirajane as exemple, her level is reduced and doomed to fall against the tank.

But Lucy has weapons to win here, so I give her my vote. Lucy isn't anymore a weakling. She is now a powerful wizard.

Lucy isn't stalemating Madmole any day. got one shot by Kyria
Nothing suggests Mimi is female Elfman, Elfman is stronger than Mimi as well

 

[Ronin31]

Lucy isn't stalemating Madmole any day. got one shot by Kyria
Nothing suggests Mimi is female Elfman, Elfman is stronger than Mimi as well

Strength isn't everything in a fight. Strategy and being smart can counter a upper strength. Lucy could bypass Mirajane's Satan Soul with Gemini Lisana and gained average. We couldn't know what should happen after because Diabolos interfered and Elfman was also here to team up. Without circumstances, as Mirajane is far stronger than Lucy, she could highly reduce Mira's offensive to nothing. In 1vs1, her strategy could perhaps put a win.

Lucy also used strategy vs Mimi, a far stronger opponent and put a win.

What proof also suggests Elfman is stronger than Mimi ? Because she lost to Lucy while Elfman played with her on Aldoron ?
Mimi played with Lucy and her spirits in their first encounter as well and looked unstoppable.

 

[grey matter]

Strength isn't everything in a fight. Strategy and being smart can counter a upper strength. Lucy could bypass Mirajane's Satan Soul with Gemini Lisana and gained average. We couldn't know what should happen after because Diabolos interfered and Elfman was also here to team up. Without circumstances, as Mirajane is far stronger than Lucy, she could highly reduce Mira's offensive to nothing. In 1vs1, her strategy could perhaps put a win.

Lucy also used strategy vs Mimi, a far stronger opponent and put a win.

What proof also suggests Elfman is stronger than Mimi ? Because she lost to Lucy while Elfman played with her on Aldoron ?
Mimi played with Lucy and her spirits in their first encounter as well and looked unstoppable.

Strategy can only get you victory within a certain limit. Mira and Elfman are far beyond that level. They were essentially toying with Lucy

Lucy was tanking Mimi's blows, and Lucy's physical attacks were hurting Mimi. Mimi isn't far superior to Lucy. She's stronger, but still within the tier,

"proof Elfman is stronger than Mimi?"
- Elfman defeated Ajeel, i.e he's Spriggan tier in x792. Lucy was fodder to Spriggan tier in x792
- Elfman no sold one of Lucy's strongest spells. Both stardress mix spell, and Urano metoria drains Lucy completely. Which means, they are comparable in spell power. While Mimi went down to Urano metoria. Elfman's dura >> Mimi's
- Elfman managed to injure and stalemated Madmole. Madmole has enough defence to tank FDK punch from Natsu, which means injuring him speaks a lot about Elfman's attack power. Elfman's attack power > Mimi
- Icing on the cake is Elfman's lizard takeover, which completely hard counters physical fighters. This is how he defeated Bacchus, who was much superior to Elfman in physical combat back in the days

 

[Cosmicstar]

Strategy can only get you victory within a certain limit. Mira and Elfman are far beyond that level. They were essentially toying with Lucy

Lucy was tanking Mimi's blows, and Lucy's physical attacks were hurting Mimi. Mimi isn't far superior to Lucy. She's stronger, but still within the tier,

"proof Elfman is stronger than Mimi?"
- Elfman defeated Ajeel, i.e he's Spriggan tier in x792. Lucy was fodder to Spriggan tier in x792
- Elfman no sold one of Lucy's strongest spells. Both stardress mix spell, and Urano metoria drains Lucy completely. Which means, they are comparable in spell power. While Mimi went down to Urano metoria. Elfman's dura >> Mimi's
- Elfman managed to injure and stalemated Madmole. Madmole has enough defence to tank FDK punch from Natsu, which means injuring him speaks a lot about Elfman's attack power. Elfman's attack power > Mimi
- Icing on the cake is Elfman's lizard takeover, which completely hard counters physical fighters. This is how he defeated Bacchus, who was much superior to Elfman in physical combat back in the days

He Beat Ajeel with Lissana help and Elfman had a form to counter Ajeel sand. Even with that form he still struggled and was in the same condition as Lissana who had no counter to Ajeel sand. Also we never saw if Lucy could defeat Ajeel or not. The Spriggans aren't all equal combat wise. Elfman stands no chance against Brandish or Dimaria.

Lion Maiden didn't drain Lucy as she still was in Stardress and still had Leo and Virgo summoned. She then summoned Taurus and Gemini and went into Taurus form. The proceeded to use Aries form. Then Went back into Taurus form and summoned Taurus to fight the Earth Golems. Then she used a Stardress mix Aquarius x Scorpio form. Also it was never stated Lion maiden is as powerful as Urano Metria. We also have no idea how much of the attack actually hit Elfman as he wasn't in the center of the attack like Lissana so logically he wouldn't have taken as much damage.

Lucy was able to withstand Ignia flame Natsu heat who is far superior to FDK punch heat.

Lucy>Bacchus so I don't see how that is relevant?

Nothing suggest Elfman is stronger than Mimi. Mimi punches were leveling forest and destroying solid earth. Elfman fighting Madmole says nothing as neither Lucy nor Mimi fought madmole. Kyria is an entirely different opponent. That is like saying since someone can beat Ajeel they could beat Ajeel and Brandish. That isn't how it works. Kyria has shown far greater attack power than Madmole has. Madmole greatest weapon is his defense. Kyria can destroy an entire run with a roar something Madmole has never shown.

More importantly we already saw Elfman with Mirajane fighting Lucy and Leo. He used the same form against Lucy and Leo as he did against Madmole. Outside of speculation nothing suggest Elfman fought harder against Madmole. Since Elfman only attack power is physical assualts in Lion form there is nothing he could have done against Madmole that he didn't do against Leo and Lucy.

 

[Axiomus]

It's not like Lucy stands a chance against Dimaria or Brandish either. Anything Brandish can do to Elfman, she can do to Lucy.

Lucy didn't withstand Ignia's flames. She hugged Natsu, and got burnt by the body temperature of his skin. If Natsu hit Lucy with Ignia's flames, he'd vaporize her. Aquarius thought that LFD was going to kill Lucy.

Madmole is as physically strong as Natsu. He's probably stronger than Mimi, and without a doubt more durable. He no sold FDK destruction fist, which is a better attack than Urano Metria. Mimi took damage from regulus Lucy kick. Madmole also has better attack power than Kyria. Armour dragon's steel fist was equal to Natsu's fire dragon's iron fist, putting it on the same level as mountain busting feats like this.

Spoiler

 

[DarkNinja]

Love that my thread is getting some attention again