Fantasy Lucy vs Elfman

[Seven777]

Lucy's latest feats put her closer to Elfman imo. Urano is probably above Mix. She's not beating him though. Even just scratching Madmole is better than outright defeating Mimi.

 

[Cosmicstar]

It's not like Lucy stands a chance against Dimaria or Brandish either. Anything Brandish can do to Elfman, she can do to Lucy.

Lucy didn't withstand Ignia's flames. She hugged Natsu, and got burnt by the body temperature of his skin. If Natsu hit Lucy with Ignia's flames, he'd vaporize her. Aquarius thought that LFD was going to kill Lucy.

Madmole is as physically strong as Natsu. He's probably stronger than Mimi, and without a doubt more durable. He no sold FDK destruction fist, which is a better attack than Urano Metria. Mimi took damage from regulus Lucy kick. Madmole also has better attack power than Kyria. Armour dragon's steel fist was equal to Natsu's fire dragon's iron fist, putting it on the same level as mountain busting feats like this.

Spoiler

Ignia Flames>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>FDK Flames

What hurt Madmole was the Heat from the FDK punch. This is outright stated. Yes Lucy was left in a burned state but so was Madmole so it is irrelevant. The point is Lucy could withstand greater heat than Madmole could without being knocked out.

Also show me a feat from Madmole that shows better attack power than Kyria. Kyria roar not only took at an entire room of mages but destroyed it. Madmole has not once done such a thing. So where did you get the notion he has better attack power?

The point about Brandish and Dimaria went completely over your head. The point was not all Spriggan are made the same thus Elfman performing well with Lissana against Ajeel doesn't make him anywhere near Spriggan level. Especially since he literally had a form that gave him resistance towards Ajeel sand. We never saw a full fledge battle with Lucy and Ajeel to show how well she would do against him. All we saw was her destroying his Sand monsters. So Lucy could have defeated Ajeel. Either way though it has no real barring on the battle as unless Lucy uses Sand magic the sand form Elfman used wouldn't be effective against Lucy.

Also you can't say for sure FDK punch has better attack power than Urano Metria. Before you come at me with some BS Urano Metria during the Tartarous arc was superior to LFD Natsu punch as it was used against the same opponent with slightly different outcomes. During the Mimi fight she doubled it power using Gemini making it more powerful. So who is to say it isn't as powerful besides your personal opinion? I am not saying it is but I am not saying it isn't because we don't know.



At the end of the day it doesn't matter we already saw Elfman in Lion form vs Lucy and he couldn't defeat her even with Mirajane help nor could he one shot the spirits like Mimi could. Mimi has better feats to suggest she is superior to Elfman than Elfman has to suggest he is superior to her. Contending with Madmole means nothing as we have no way to compare on how Lucy would fare against Madmole.

 

[Axiomus]

Ignia Flames>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>FDK Flames

What hurt Madmole was the Heat from the FDK punch. This is outright stated. Yes Lucy was left in a burned state but so was Madmole so it is irrelevant. The point is Lucy could withstand greater heat than Madmole could without being knocked out.

Also show me a feat from Madmole that shows better attack power than Kyria. Kyria roar not only took at an entire room of mages but destroyed it. Madmole has not once done such a thing. So where did you get the notion he has better attack power?

The point about Brandish and Dimaria went completely over your head. The point was not all Spriggan are made the same thus Elfman performing well with Lissana against Ajeel doesn't make him anywhere near Spriggan level. Especially since he literally had a form that gave him resistance towards Ajeel sand. We never saw a full fledge battle with Lucy and Ajeel to show how well she would do against him. All we saw was her destroying his Sand monsters. So Lucy could have defeated Ajeel. Either way though it has no real barring on the battle as unless Lucy uses Sand magic the sand form Elfman used wouldn't be effective against Lucy.

Also you can't say for sure FDK punch has better attack power than Urano Metria. Before you come at me with some BS Urano Metria during the Tartarous arc was superior to LFD Natsu punch as it was used against the same opponent with slightly different outcomes. During the Mimi fight she doubled it power using Gemini making it more powerful. So who is to say it isn't as powerful besides your personal opinion? I am not saying it is but I am not saying it isn't because we don't know.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter we already saw Elfman in Lion form vs Lucy and he couldn't defeat her even with Mirajane help nor could he one shot the spirits like Mimi could. Mimi has better feats to suggest she is superior to Elfman than Elfman has to suggest he is superior to her. Contending with Madmole means nothing as we have no way to compare on how Lucy would fare against Madmole.

Yes, Ignia's flames are hotter than FDK, but Lucy wasn't hit by Ignia's flames. She hugged Natsu, and his skin burned her. None of Ignia's flames actually touched her. If Natsu had actually hit Lucy, she'd be dead.

He has better attack power because his steel fist matched Natsu's iron fist. Iron fist > Kyria's roar. Madmole has base Natsu strength in general, which means all of Natsu's strength feats scale to him.

Yes, I can say that FDK is stronger. It's been used to beat stronger opponents than Mimi. Ikusatsunagi has better strength feats than Mimi. Jacob tanked regulus Lucy kick did as well as Mimi did, and Makarov's punch did more to Jacob. FDK destruction fist can one shot all 3 of these guys.

Urano VS LFD punch is debatable. LFD punch may not have killed Jackal, but it defeated a stronger version of Jackal in his etherious form. Even if Urano is stronger than an LFD punch, it's not stronger than LFD as a whole. Natsu used multiple LFD punches, a roar, and a secret art and still wasn't exhausted. But I digress. LFD isn't FDK. It's Igneel's fire. In the Tartaros arc, those flames were used to fight Acnologia, albeit at a higher level than Natsu typically uses them at.

Madmole oneshotted Gemini. If Elfman has comparable strength to Madmole, he'd one-shot her too. And while Elfman and Mirajane didn't one-shot Lucy's spirits, they did toy with them by tying them up. Which is only something they could do if the strength difference is ridiculous.

Honestly, Elfman probably received less help from Lisanna than Erza got... Simply because Lisanna can't hit anywhere near as hard as Jupiter cannon. She can't even hit hard enough to take out Wall's weakness bots. The most she would have done is carry Elfman around with her wings. Elfman likely did the vast majority of damage to Ajeel, which is what matters here.... Because it took Erza nakagami to bring down Ajeel.

 

[Cosmicstar]

Yes, Ignia's flames are hotter than FDK, but Lucy wasn't hit by Ignia's flames. She hugged Natsu, and his skin burned her. None of Ignia's flames actually touched her. If Natsu had actually hit Lucy, she'd be dead.

He has better attack power because his steel fist matched Natsu's iron fist. Iron fist > Kyria's roar.

Yes, I can say that FDK is stronger. It's been used to beat stronger opponents than Mimi. Ikusatsunagi has better strength feats than Mimi. Jacob tanked regulus Lucy kick did as well as Mimi did, and Makarov's punch did more to Jacob. FDK destruction fist can one shot all 3 of these guys.

Urano VS LFD punch is debatable. LFD punch may not have killed Jackal, but it defeated a stronger version of Jackal in his etherious form. Even if Urano is stronger than an LFD punch, it's not stronger than LFD as a whole. Natsu used multiple LFD punches, a roar, and a secret art and still wasn't exhausted. But I digress. LFD isn't FDK. It's Igneel's fire. In the Tartaros arc, those flames were used to fight Acnologia, albeit at a higher level than Natsu typically uses them at.

Madmole oneshotted Gemini. If Elfman has comparable strength to Madmole, he'd one-shot her too. And while Elfman and Mirajane didn't one-shot Lucy's spirits, they did toy with them by tying them up. Which is only something they could do if the strength difference is ridiculous.

Honestly, Elfman probably received less help from Lisanna than Erza got... Simply because Lisanna can't hit anywhere near as hard as Jupiter cannon. She can't even hit hard enough to take out Wall's weakness bots. The most she would have done is carry Elfman around with her wings. Elfman likely did the vast majority of damage to Ajeel, which is what matters here.... Because it took Erza nakagami to bring down Ajeel.

The issue I have with your post is the blatant bias. You have no proof Elfman did more work against Ajeel than Lissana did. Also why bring up Regulus kick when it didn't do anything to Mimi. It is irrelevant in this discussion. You also have no proof Elfman was toying around. You can make an arguement for Mirajane but not Elfman. He used the same form against both opponents this is fact.

Based upon feats between both Mimi and Elfman Mimi has greater feats. I am not their feats on who they fought but the actual attack power feats they shown. Elfman punches can't level forest.

More importantly though how do you think Elfman would even win this fight?

 

[Axiomus]

The issue I have with your post is the blatant bias. You have no proof Elfman did more work against Ajeel than Lissana did. Also why bring up Regulus kick when it didn't do anything to Mimi. It is irrelevant in this discussion. You also have no proof Elfman was toying around. You can make an arguement for Mirajane but not Elfman. He used the same form against both opponents this is fact.

Based upon feats between both Mimi and Elfman Mimi has greater feats. I am not their feats on who they fought but the actual attack power feats they shown. Elfman punches can't level forest.

More importantly though how do you think Elfman would even win this fight?

Do I really need to prove that Elfman did more damage than Lisanna? Lisanna couldnt hit hard enough to take down the strength type weakness bots. She's been onesshotted by stuff Elfman can walk off.

You don't tie up an opponent with rope if you're serious. And Mirajane used the same form too?

Elfman doesn't go around hitting trees. Beating up Ajeel is more impressive than taking down a forest. It takes Jupiter Canon and nakagami starlight to put Ajeel down. Right off the bat, Jupiter Canon alone has better DC feats than Mimi. It can absolutely level a forest, and Elfman hits just as hard as it... If not harder.

I think he just outlasts Lucy through sheer durability. Ajeel and Madmole couldnt take him out.

 

[Cosmicstar]

Do I really need to prove that Elfman did more damage than Lisanna? Lisanna couldnt hit hard enough to take down the strength type weakness bots. She's been onesshotted by stuff Elfman can walk off.

You don't tie up an opponent with rope if you're serious. And Mirajane used the same form too?

Elfman doesn't go around hitting trees. Beating up Ajeel is more impressive than taking down a forest. It takes Jupiter Canon and nakagami starlight to put Ajeel down. Right off the bat, Jupiter Canon alone has better DC feats than Mimi. It can absolutely level a forest, and Elfman hits just as hard as it... If not harder.

I think he just outlasts Lucy through sheer durability. Ajeel and Madmole couldnt take him out.

Mirajane was the one with the rope. We are talking about Elfman. See this is where a big problem lies. For some reason Mirajane keeps being brought up like she is part of this fight.

Also yes you do need proof otherwise you are being bias. You can't say Elfman did more just because. Also Elfman doesn't hit as hard as Jupiter canon. Otherwise Lucy and Leo were tanking Jupiter level punches like come on.

 

[Axiomus]

Mirajane was the one with the rope. We are talking about Elfman. See this is where a big problem lies. For some reason Mirajane keeps being brought up like she is part of this fight.

Also yes you do need proof otherwise you are being bias. You can't say Elfman did more just because. Also Elfman doesn't hit as hard as Jupiter canon. Otherwise Lucy and Leo were tanking Jupiter level punches like come on.

Yes, but Elfman would have had to beat Leo into submission for Mirajane to tie him up.

Elfman has better feats than Lisanna throughout the whole series. His first feat is literally smacking Lisanna so hard everyone thought she died. So why would I think Lisanna did as much damage? Lisanna couldn't damage the weakness bots with her attacks....Which Elfman stomped. Why do you think she did half the damage to Ajeel?

Elfman actually hits harder than Jupiter, because he can actually take out Ajeel. He can also damage Madmole more than FDK destruction fist, which is also hits harder than Jupiter.

 

[Lucy>Wendy&Elfman]

I already made a comment on this thread but it doesn't matter. Lucy high diffs and that's being generous. She can summon three spirits at once including Gemini who then summons three other spirits. She can do that with ease (I'm even sure she can summon four or five spirits at once) since that's pretty obvious that Current Lucy's MP >>>>>>>> Tartaros Lucy's MP. The fight can turn into a 7v1 and it would too much for Elfman to handle. Two Lucy (including Gemini) + five spirits would beat Elfman for sure. Lucy in her Star Dresses, Gemini-Lucy in Star Dress other spirits can do combo attacks and spirits have a great teamwork since they can do Unison Raids. Lucy outclasses Elfman in speed, smartness and versatility.

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The Elfman wank is unbelievable

 

[grey matter]

I already made a comment on this thread but it doesn't matter. Lucy high diffs and that's being generous. She can summon three spirits at once including Gemini who then summons three other spirits. She can do that with ease (I'm even sure she can summon four or five spirits at once) since that's pretty obvious that Current Lucy's MP >>>>>>>> Tartaros Lucy's MP. The fight can turn into a 7v1 and it would too much for Elfman to handle. Two Lucy (including Gemini) + five spirits would beat Elfman for sure. Lucy in her Star Dresses, Gemini-Lucy in Star Dress other spirits can do combo attacks and spirits have a great teamwork since they can do Unison Raids. Lucy outclasses Elfman in speed, smartness and versatility.

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The Elfman wank is unbelievable

Who cares lol. With retcon Mashima, nobody knows.

I would've argued against you before citing Lucy getting one shot by Kyria and Elfman stalemating Madmole.

But at this point powerscaling is completely destroyed, so you can just argue what you want.

By feats, Elfman destroys her. Precedence against strong opponents- Bacchus, Sayla, Ajeel, Madmole. He also no sold one of Lucy's top 3 spells.
Elfman is consistently portrayed with base Natsu (who is much superiorto Lucy), so he has portrayal advantage as well.
By any sane reasoning, Elfman takes this.

But Mashima can have Lucy BDSK tier next chapter for the lulz, so whatever lol

 

[Eclopse]

Elfman murders, that's as close to canon as it gets since they fought and he shrugged off her strongest move.

But Mashima can have Lucy BDSK tier next chapter for the lulz, so whatever lol

This too.

 

[Lucy>Wendy&Elfman]

Who cares lol. With retcon Mashima, nobody knows.

I would've argued against you before citing Lucy getting one shot by Kyria and Elfman stalemating Madmole.

But at this point powerscaling is completely destroyed, so you can just argue what you want.

By feats, Elfman destroys her. Precedence against strong opponents- Bacchus, Sayla, Ajeel, Madmole. He also no sold one of Lucy's top 3 spells.
Elfman is consistently portrayed with base Natsu (who is much superiorto Lucy), so he has portrayal advantage as well.
By any sane reasoning, Elfman takes this.

But Mashima can have Lucy BDSK tier next chapter for the lulz, so whatever lol

Bruh it was never stated anywhere Elfman exclusively fought Madmole lol.

Has Elfman any attack to take down Lucy?

The fact he "no sold" Lion Maiden does not prove he's stronger than her lmfao. That's just prove he's a tank.

Not saying that's false but can u explain how Base Natsu is much superior to Lucy?

 

[grey matter]

Bruh it was never stated anywhere Elfman exclusively fought Madmole lol.

Has Elfman any attack to take down Lucy?

The fact he "no sold" Lion Maiden does not prove he's stronger than her lmfao. That's just prove he's a tank.

Not saying that's false but can u explain how Base Natsu is much superior to Lucy?

It's pretty obvious implication

He has the attack power to damage Madmole. By precedence, he has high attack power, taking down Ajeel and Sayla.
IDK why this is even a question lol, the dude's entire shtick is brute stats and no magic lol. He has always had high attack power

It proves that he can just stay put and Lucy will just exhaust herself. Lucy has nothing which can take him down

Should be pretty obvious I think .
LFD Natsu is so strong that Aquarius is afraid he'll accidentally end up killing Lucy when he's just trying to put her down. Sure, this is LFD, but LFD isn't that much stronger than base Natsu, it's at most a tier above base.

 

[Lucy>Wendy&Elfman]

It's pretty obvious implication

He has the attack power to damage Madmole. By precedence, he has high attack power, taking down Ajeel and Sayla.
IDK why this is even a question lol, the dude's entire shtick is brute stats and no magic lol. He has always had high attack power

It proves that he can just stay put and Lucy will just exhaust herself. Lucy has nothing which can take him down

Should be pretty obvious I think .
LFD Natsu is so strong that Aquarius is afraid he'll accidentally end up killing Lucy when he's just trying to put her down. Sure, this is LFD, but LFD isn't that much stronger than base Natsu, it's at most a tier above base.

Too lazy to debate with u tbh

Whatever makes u happy lol

 

[grey matter]

Also, like I said man. You can believe Lucy is stronger if you want to.

Consistency is thrown out of the window anyway. It's not like I actually believe Elfman or Mira can hit even as hard as FDKM Natsu, let alone at a higher level. And Madmole can no sell FDKM attacks, making Natsu give up on AP all together and resort to heat.

Mashima can suddenly make Lucy some high tier, cause he gives zero Fs

I just think that, as things as standing now, based on portrayal, feats and precedence. Elfman operates at a much higher level, consistently.

Too lazy to debate with u tbh

Whatever makes u happy lol

Well you asked lmao

Same to you

 

[Lucy>Wendy&Elfman]

Elfman ain't low-diffing Lucy, as Lucy ain't low-diffing Elfman.

IMO this match can go either way.

Lucy would have trouble to bypass Elfman's immense physical strength and natural high defense.

While Elfman would've trouble against Lucy's speed (his main weakness) but also her versatilty.

Alos, Elfman has no feats MP wise iirc (correct me if I'm wrong) so I think we can assume Lucy has more MP than him or, at the very least, they have an equal amount of Magic Power (which is very unlikely). So Gemini is a factor here.

The winner of this match will be the one who will play their cards properly.

 

[Eclopse]

Elfman mid diffs after Lucy plays all her card and scratches him mildly

 

[GL_Nova]

He ate her best attack lol. Scaling is fine. Elfman isn’t someone Luffy can beat.

 

[Lucy>Wendy&Elfman]

Lucy wins, probably around high difficulty.

Her magic's versatility already gives her the upper hand over him because she has many ways of overwhelming him with her magic, such as blinding him with Lion's Brilliance, overwhelm him with Aqua Metria, block his attacks with her Water Barrier, trap him with Spica Hole, destabilize him with earthquakes, immobilize him with Wool...

Gemini alone is a factor since I don't remember any statement of Elfman's Magic Power being particularly high while Lucy has feats and statements on her Magic Power.

She is arguably already faster than him since she can evade Kyria's attacks in her Base Form and momentarily keep up with her with her Cancer Dress.

I'd argue that Urano Metria would already heavily injure him if not defeat him, Gottfried is overkill. His Lizard Soul is a non-factor against Lucy's top tier spells since it seems to be really useful on physical attacks.

 

[Cosmicstar]

Elfman is the most overrated male character in the series. Even with Mirajane he couldn't take Lucy out so how the heck do he do it on his own? Also the fact people were trying to argue his Lion form damaging Madmole as a reasoning is a fail because he literally already used that form against Lucy and didn't take her out.

 

[Lucy>Wendy&Elfman]

his Lion form damaging Madmole as a reasoning

He also can't damage him in this form as shown on-screen