Fantasy Lucy vs Elfman

[Livinbreathineatin]

Also Lucy can scratch Elfman as she damaged him during their battle last time I checked.

She damaged him with a trump card? Do you not realize how pathetic it is to use a trump card and cause superficial scratches? That means she could spam the same trump card over and over and Elfman STILL wouldn’t be defeated....

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The five reasons I feel like Elfman is being overrated and Lucy underrated are as followed:

1. People can't answer the basic question of what Attack Elfman has that is strong enough to knock Lucy out or defeat her. Instead the bring up Elfman vs Madmole which doesn't answer the question at hand.

2. This brings me to number two in which case the Elfman vs Madmole arguement doesn't work as Elfman fought Lucy in the same form he fought Madmole except with Lucy he had Mirajane to help him out and it wasn't enough to knock her out or defeat her.

3. This brings me to number three in which people act as though Elfman alone defeated the spirits in which case that is 100% false as Mirajane took out Virgo and we seen Mirajane and Elfman together attack Lucy and Leo. The only time Elfman attacks Leo alone is when he first enters Lion form and Punches Leo in which case Leo blocks and is left unscathed.

4. People claim as though lion maiden didn't do anything to Elfman and Mirajane despite the fact we clearly see them bruised after the attack. This isn't even up for debate.

5. People claim Lion maiden is a weak attack yet we actually have other attacks to compare it to much more accurately. Lissana was knocked out by this attack while she was left standing and awake after attacks from Ajeel and was left awake after taking Sayla limit release nuke and left in her Takeover form. We can without a doubt class it stronger than those attacks.

This is all fact. What isn't fact or backed by fact is that Mirajane and Elfman weren't serious against Lucy which is never stated in the Manga. That is all personal opinion. Add to the fact people logic is flawed because you claim since Elfman attacks hurt Madmole they are as strong as a FDK punch but yet claim Lucy couldn't withstand a FDK punch despite the fact she withstand punches from Elfman and Mirajane in the same forms they fought Skullion and Madmole in. Saying they weren't serious is personal opinion to save face and make you logic make sense despite the fact it is never stated in the manga they weren't serious against Lucy.

1. Hi, do you not know what a fight is? Exchanging blows ring a bell? Quite frankly Elfman can just PUNCH Lucy enough times in his Leo form until she’s knocked out.

2. What is this? Were we reading the same fight? Stop making it sound like Lucy was a threat in any way shape or form. Every piece of evidence suggests she was not challenging the Strauss Duo. Her trump card caused literal scratches, her spirits had been defeated and she was injured herself. She brought out Taurus who was later one shotted by Madmole which is very consistent with his character so he would have done absolutely nothing against Elfman. Gemini Lissana is also nothing more than an obstacle that couldn’t shield Lucy from Elfman and Mira.

3. and stalemating Madmole proves Loke is not a threat to Elfman. Like c’mon.

4. ????????? Yes Lion Maiden injures Mira and Elfman.... it was Lucy’s trump card that only scratched them. After tanking this TRUMP CARD they went on to fight Dragon Eaters and Gray.

5. Again, ?????? We don’t need to compare it to other attacks. We can literally see what it did against the people it was used against. You’ve got some mental gymnastics going on over there.

Lucy nuked the whole area and her attack hit Lisanna, Elfman and Mirajane. It knocked out Lisanna, the weakest sibling whilst scratching the other two. There it’s super effective against characters like Levy/Evergreen/Cana but it’s not doing a lot to anyone Elfman/Wendy level and stronger. Anyone as durable as Elfman and Mirajane can tank the spell, and quite frankly spotting those characters should be easy.

They weren’t serious because they weren’t pushed. Mira literally tied up Lucy’s spirits? LMAO. Her opponent was far weaker than her. We even see her actually start to put effort when Skullion appears, she’s actually moving and using explosions. Elfman got knocked out of his beast form when he started fighting Madmole, that’s more damage than Lucy did with Loke AND with her TRUMP CARD. Mirajane actually used an explosion and Elfman sustained enough damage to be knocked out of his form, neither of these things happened against Lucy. Why? Quite frankly Mira wouldn’t even need to nuke Lucy to defeat her especially when Elfman’s there but y’all ain’t ready for that yet.

Even if they were serious, it doesn’t matter, it’s not like they weren’t winning or they could lose.

 

[Cosmicstar]

She damaged him with a trump card? Do you not realize how pathetic it is to use a trump card and cause superficial scratches? That means she could spam the same trump card over and over and Elfman STILL wouldn’t be defeated....

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1. Hi, do you not know what a fight is? Exchanging blows ring a bell? Quite frankly Elfman can just PUNCH Lucy enough times in his Leo form until she’s knocked out.

2. What is this? Were we reading the same fight? Stop making it sound like Lucy was a threat in any way shape or form. Every piece of evidence suggests she was not challenging the Strauss Duo. Her trump card caused literal scratches, her spirits had been defeated and she was injured herself. She brought out Taurus who was later one shotted by Madmole which is very consistent with his character so he would have done absolutely nothing against Elfman. Gemini Lissana is also nothing more than an obstacle that couldn’t shield Lucy from Elfman and Mira.

3. and stalemating Madmole proves Loke is not a threat to Elfman. Like c’mon.

4. ????????? Yes Lion Maiden injures Mira and Elfman.... it was Lucy’s trump card that only scratched them. After tanking this TRUMP CARD they went on to fight Dragon Eaters and Gray.

5. Again, ?????? We don’t need to compare it to other attacks. We can literally see what it did against the people it was used against. You’ve got some mental gymnastics going on over there.

Lucy nuked the whole area and her attack hit Lisanna, Elfman and Mirajane. It knocked out Lisanna, the weakest sibling whilst scratching the other two. There it’s super effective against characters like Levy/Evergreen/Cana but it’s not doing a lot to anyone Elfman/Wendy level and stronger. Anyone as durable as Elfman and Mirajane can tank the spell, and quite frankly spotting those characters should be easy.

They weren’t serious because they weren’t pushed. Mira literally tied up Lucy’s spirits? LMAO. Her opponent was far weaker than her. We even see her actually start to put effort when Skullion appears, she’s actually moving and using explosions. Elfman got knocked out of his beast form when he started fighting Madmole, that’s more damage than Lucy did with Loke AND with her TRUMP CARD. Mirajane actually used an explosion and Elfman sustained enough damage to be knocked out of his form, neither of these things happened against Lucy. Why? Quite frankly Mira wouldn’t even need to nuke Lucy to defeat her especially when Elfman’s there but y’all ain’t ready for that yet.

Even if they were serious, it doesn’t matter, it’s not like they weren’t winning or they could lose.

The issue with your statement is you fail to acknowledge that was 1 Stardress mix used against 3 opponents who have already shown good durability. Also That wasn't her trump card as she never states this. In the official translations all she says is that it was a new trick and she can't use it at will. Beyond that we know she has other Stardress mixes.

If the combined attacks of Mirajane and Elfman couldn't knock Lucy out why do you think him alone would be able to? This makes no sense.

Taurus was clearly fine after the attack as he went on to fight the Golems alongside Lucy and co. If we were to do the time shift between the Spirit and Human world that would mean Taurus recovered from that punch within mere seconds. We also know that Taurus is physically superior to Leo as it has been stated and shown. So it doesn't matter if Leo wasn't as physically strong as Elfman, Add into the fact that during his fight with Elfman we don't see Leo use 1 spell during the entire fight. He never uses Regulus at all.

Using Madmole as an example is mute as we have yet to see Lucy fight Madmole. We don't know how Lucy would fair. Lucy seemed to fair better against the golems then Gajeel or Elfman so the comparison doesn't equate.

It was never and I mean never referred to as Lucy's trump card. Only in fan translations.


The only magical attack used against Elfmana and Mirajane was Lion Maiden. Lucy has way more in her arsenal than that. Add into the fact Elfman doesn't have Lissana and Mirajane backing him up so it won't turn out the same as the manga which didn't even finish because it was interrupted. Your argument of Elfman winning is him not being defeated by Madmole but Lucy and Madmole has of yet to battle. Thus this comparison doesn't work. You are making a huge assumption. Add into the fact you are totally disregarding Mirajane's role in the battle. You act as though it was just Elfman fighting Lucy.

You might be able to pull this BS with others but not me. If Lion form combined with Mirajane BSS didn't one shot Lucy in canon nor did it defeat her why would it be any different now especially when in this situation the opposition is weaker.

 

[kian]

The issue with your statement is you fail to acknowledge that was 1 Stardress mix used against 3 opponents who have already shown good durability. Also That wasn't her trump card as she never states this. In the official translations all she says is that it was a new trick and she can't use it at will. Beyond that we know she has other Stardress mixes.

If the combined attacks of Mirajane and Elfman couldn't knock Lucy out why do you think him alone would be able to? This makes no sense.

Taurus was clearly fine after the attack as he went on to fight the Golems alongside Lucy and co. If we were to do the time shift between the Spirit and Human world that would mean Taurus recovered from that punch within mere seconds. We also know that Taurus is physically superior to Leo as it has been stated and shown. So it doesn't matter if Leo wasn't as physically strong as Elfman, Add into the fact that during his fight with Elfman we don't see Leo use 1 spell during the entire fight. He never uses Regulus at all.

Using Madmole as an example is mute as we have yet to see Lucy fight Madmole. We don't know how Lucy would fair. Lucy seemed to fair better against the golems then Gajeel or Elfman so the comparison doesn't equate.

It was never and I mean never referred to as Lucy's trump card. Only in fan translations.


The only magical attack used against Elfmana and Mirajane was Lion Maiden. Lucy has way more in her arsenal than that. Add into the fact Elfman doesn't have Lissana and Mirajane backing him up so it won't turn out the same as the manga which didn't even finish because it was interrupted. Your argument of Elfman winning is him not being defeated by Madmole but Lucy and Madmole has of yet to battle. Thus this comparison doesn't work. You are making a huge assumption. Add into the fact you are totally disregarding Mirajane's role in the battle. You act as though it was just Elfman fighting Lucy.

You might be able to pull this BS with others but not me. If Lion form combined with Mirajane BSS didn't one shot Lucy in canon nor did it defeat her why would it be any different now especially when in this situation the opposition is weaker.

Serious Mirajane no-low diffs Lucy.
Serious Elfman low-mid diffs her.

the attack damage doesn’t just do less since there’s more of them? it hit them all with the same amount of damage.

it’s her trump card if she intends to use it to turn the tides of the battle, which clearly failed.

Lucy gets stomped by madmole lol, that’s the comparison they were making.

Lucy faired ‘better’ because she needed to go all out to take a single golem. Others were shown taking them out without the need of using full force attacks. she literally dropped after using it

if they needed to one shot lucy they could’ve done it. she was literally about to be dogstomped after she took out lisanna, when they were actually getting serious

 

[Itsnever2k]

Serious Mirajane no-low diffs Lucy.
Serious Elfman low-mid diffs her.

the attack damage doesn’t just do less since there’s more of them? it hit them all with the same amount of damage.

it’s her trump card if she intends to use it to turn the tides of the battle, which clearly failed.

Lucy gets stomped by madmole lol, that’s the comparison they were making.

Lucy faired ‘better’ because she needed to go all out to take a single golem. Others were shown taking them out without the need of using full force attacks. she literally dropped after using it

if they needed to one shot lucy they could’ve done it. she was literally about to be dogstomped after she took out lisanna, when they were actually getting serious

There is nothing to say Elfman wasn't serious. With Mira there is a valid reason to say that, she clearly was fighting more seriously, using her nukes and whateever else against Skullion. Elfman was the exact same, fighting Loke and Lucy as he was against Madmole. On screen >>> off screen fights, especially considering all of Elfman's impressive feats come either when he had his way stronger sister backing him up, or when he had a hard counter to his opponents magic. Whenever Elfman is on screen fighting he is underwhelming, especially when compared to people saying he could low-diff Lucy. Given what we have actually seen, Elfman has nothing that could actually let him beat Lucy low-diff. There is an argument Urano is stronger than SD mix, so it is possible she could do more damage than shown. She also has dozens of other SD mixes, so it is possible she could have something better than Leo X Virgo for a one on one fight, as she was trying for an AoE not just one vs one. Lions Maiden was her best bet at taking out all 3 at once, that has nothing to do with a single fight. That's just speculation, and off of current feats, Elfman could probably just tough it out against Lucy, but that is it. It would be very believable were Lucy to beat him in a fight, which would not be the case if he could just low diff her. You will not find an example of Elfman doing anything in over 600 chapters which suggests he could easily beat and one shot Lucy, tanking Lions Maiden included.

 

[kian]

There is nothing to say Elfman wasn't serious. With Mira there is a valid reason to say that, she clearly was fighting more seriously, using her nukes and whateever else against Skullion. Elfman was the exact same, fighting Loke and Lucy as he was against Madmole. On screen >>> off screen fights, especially considering all of Elfman's impressive feats come either when he had his way stronger sister backing him up, or when he had a hard counter to his opponents magic. Whenever Elfman is on screen fighting he is underwhelming, especially when compared to people saying he could low-diff Lucy. Given what we have actually seen, Elfman has nothing that could actually let him beat Lucy low-diff. There is an argument Urano is stronger than SD mix, so it is possible she could do more damage than shown. She also has dozens of other SD mixes, so it is possible she could have something better than Leo X Virgo for a one on one fight, as she was trying for an AoE not just one vs one. Lions Maiden was her best bet at taking out all 3 at once, that has nothing to do with a single fight. That's just speculation, and off of current feats, Elfman could probably just tough it out against Lucy, but that is it. It would be very believable were Lucy to beat him in a fight, which would not be the case if he could just low diff her. You will not find an example of Elfman doing anything in over 600 chapters which suggests he could easily beat and one shot Lucy, tanking Lions Maiden included.

Sure with Elfman you could say he was more serious but he wasn't being challenged during the fight, which I should've worded it as. You can say his past feats are underwhelming but when it comes to the conversation of Elfman vs Lucy, the current ones are all that matter. The feats shown during the Elfman vs Lucy showed us Elfman > Lucy. Low Diff would if he got up close and took her out but more than likely it'd be a mid diff. Urano Metria has a casting time, one of which Elfman could just take her out mid casting, wouldn't be smart to do it. She does have other SD mixes but we've seen her strongest one to date do little to nothing to Elfman. Lions maiden will still be as ineffective as the first time she used it, whether or not there's 2 other people with him. Tanking Lions maiden is a feat that put him above Lucy for me. Her best attack not doing much is a big incentive to think so.

 

[Jko]

7 pages in and Lucy fans still bring up mixdress like it's relevant. Mixdress is Lucy's trump card. We know this bcs it takes all her MP to use one attack in the form lmao. Mixdress did absolutely nothing to Elfman. Try as many different combos you like but 1+1 still equals only 2 and Elfman already no sold it.

Elfman matched a dude who no sold a Demolition Fist and hurt him. The same guy also oneshotted Taurus. How are we still arguing this? Lmao.

Not only that but you need to stop using Mira and Elfman attacking her like that is a major dura feat lol. We know they held back as we see them fight way stronger opponents than Lucy in the same forms they were fighting Lucy in. It's like saying Cobra "tanked" Acnologia's punches when we know he held back. Lucy was scared as soon as she felt Mira's power surge in BSS lol.

This is truly not a debate since we already know the outcome of this fight if they fought again. Elfman is at a higher level of power than Lucy is at. You guys arguing with this headcanon that these different combos of Mixdress are going to mean jack squat when Lucy already tried her best against them and did nothing.

Elfman can sit there and tank every single Lucy attack until she falls out from magical exhaustion. That is how big the gap is.

 

[Cosmicstar]

Arguing with the Elfamn stans ain't even worth it any more. He already shown he couldn't knock Lucy out in Lion form it isn't going to change now. Down play Lucy all you want because no matter how much logic or sense I spit your way you still can't comprehend that Elfman isn't defeating Lucy. If you can't comprehend that Lucy vs Elfman would turn out completely different from Lucy vs Strauss siblings I don't know what to tell you. Let me try one more time to put this battle into perspective for you.

This will be Lucy+Spirits versus Elfman alone.

Let's say Elfman starts in Lion form. What is stopping Virgo from using Spica hole to trap him while Lucy bombs him with with Sagitttarius Star shots? Could he eventually break out? Sure but not before taking damaging from Star shot.

What is stopping her from summoning Gemini and having him transform into Marin and have her teleport her and Sagittarius while they spam Arrows from afar? Could Elfman change form to give himself better durability? Maybe but he would lose the physical strength advantage his lion form gives him and Lucy has many more attacks in her Arsenal to mess with him.

Let's say he transforms into his Lizard form for better durability from the Arrows. What is stopping Lucy from blowing him away with either Scorpio Sandbuster or AquaMetria? At this Point Elfman would be completely on the defensive. At best it is a standstill.

Lets say his tries to use weretiger for speed. Lucy dodges his attacks just as she dodges Lissana;s, Or better yet uses Gemini Stardress to transform into Lissana to dodge his attacks with her cat form. Hell what is stopping Virgo from trapping him in Spica hole and Gemini(Lissana) Hypnotizing him?

On Another not what is stopping Leo and Virgo from simply performing Lion Maiden? Which is simply the combination of their two powers. We know Spirits can do Combo attacks. Hell what is stopping Gemini from transforming into Lucy and performing it themselves allowing her to reserve magic.

Elfman winning is dependent on one thing? Which is outlasting Lucy magical power. There is no other way for him to win outside of making Lucy completely incompetent and nerfing her beyond repair.

The thing about Elfman is Lucy can counter all his known forms. The draw back to Elfman power is in order for him to deal any damage he needs to be in Close quarters with them. Lucy on the other hand can attack from a distance. Also all Elfman's attacks are brute physical strength where as Lucy has varity such as Elemental, Energy, Physical, Defensive, etc.

Elfman is not stronger than Lucy.

Now I am not downplaying Elfman because he has great durability but to say he could one shot Lucy is absolute Crap. He can't low diff her either or Mid diff either. People need to take both characters powers into consideration and what they can and can't do.

 

[Jko]

Imagine thinking anyone is an Elfman stan.

"That 1 god damn Elfman stan out of a million Lucy fans is showing us that Elf has performed better than Lucy at every turn this arc. He even showed us her strongest attack, Mixdress, was completely useless on him. What a stanboy he is for Elfman." - Lucy stan

There was only one major Elfman fan and I haven't seen him since Elf got done dirty in that weak offscreen fight lol.

 

[Cosmicstar]

Imagine thinking anyone is an Elfman stan.

"That 1 god damn Elfman stan out of a million Lucy fans is showing us that Elf has performed better than Lucy at every turn this arc. He even showed us her strongest attack, Mixdress, was completely useless on him. What a stanboy he is for Elfman." - Lucy stan

There was only one major Elfman fan and I haven't seen him since Elf got done dirty in that weak offscreen fight lol.

If you aren't an Elfman stan then you shouldn't feel offended. Yet you felt the need to reply.

Also if you think Elfman can one shot Lucy you are an Elfman stan.

He also hasn't out performed better than Lucy. So far Lucy has held her own against 2 people who held their own against Skullion and Madmole. People are just downplaying her by saying they weren't serious yet this was never said i the Manga.

 

[kian]

Lucy stans and their die hard head cannoning.

Elfman > Lucy end of.

If you aren't an Elfman stan then you shouldn't feel offended. Yet you felt the need to reply.

Also if you think Elfman can one shot Lucy you are an Elfman stan.

He also hasn't out performed better than Lucy. So far Lucy has held her own against 2 people who held their own against Skullion and Madmole. People are just downplaying her by saying they weren't serious yet this was never said i the Manga.

Elfman stalemating Madmole is outperforming her. She didn't hold her own at ALL, she was made look like a joke. Serious is Mirajane vs Skullion not Mirajane vs Fodder Virgo.

 

[Cosmicstar]

Lucy stans and their die hard head cannoning.

Elfman > Lucy end of.



Elfman stalemating Madmole is outperforming her. She didn't hold her own at ALL, she was made look like a joke. Serious is Mirajane vs Skullion not Mirajane vs Fodder Virgo.

Yet it remains Canon Elfman with the help of Mirajane couldn't knock Lucy out. You Elfman Stans keep crying about it.

 

[Jko]

If you aren't an Elfman stan then you shouldn't feel offended. Yet you felt the need to reply.

Also if you think Elfman can one shot Lucy you are an Elfman stan.

He also hasn't out performed better than Lucy. So far Lucy has held her own against 2 people who held their own against Skullion and Madmole. People are just downplaying her by saying they weren't serious yet this was never said i the Manga.

We all know the statement was clearly directed at the people who are saying Lucy loses to Elfman. Your current statement alone prove this lol.

Also did my reply not drip with satire? I thought I was being very obvious in displaying the irony of you or any other Lucy fan calling someone an Elfman stan lol.

Let's check Lucy's feats then. She only beat Lisanna (mid tier) and 1 Golem. She exhausted herself doing one of these things at a time. Getting beat up for an entire arc by people who aren't even trying to really hurt you is not a spectacular feat as I already shown (Cobra v Acno) lol. We know they aren't trying bcs they take on stronger opponents than Lucy can face in the same exact forms Lucy fought them in. Mira's BSS power literally frightens Lucy as soon as she power up into it lmao.

Now let's check Elfman feats. He no sold Lucy's trump, he stalemated a guy who no sold FDK and hurt said guy with physical force. Elfman = Madmole >>> FDK Demo-Fist >>>> Lucy. Elfman is a higher level than the mid tier bracket of the guild. He fights people who would total Lucy without a scratch.

We have seen on screen that Lucy's best is only strong enough to cause superficial damage to Elfman. We have seen Elfman's best was capable causing massive damage to someone who no sold a FDK level attack. Pretty sure it was obvious that Elf was stronger than Lucy when he no sold her strongest attack lmao. Him stalemating Madmole is only the cherry on top.

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Yet it remains Canon Elfman with the help of Mirajane couldn't knock Lucy out. You Elfman Stans keep crying about it.

Acno couldn't knock out an exhausted Natsu, Wendy who already had major injuries from Irene gutting her, and Cobra who just got done being fodderize by August.... When someone holds back then they obviously are not going to just start KO-ing their opponents. Or do you think Wraith is stronger than the King of Dragons bcs he KOed an exhausted Natsu while Acno didn't?

Also if you want to keep harping on KOs so much then Taurus was oneshotted by Madmole and Lucy was oneshotted Kiria. Elfman was strong enough to bypass Madmole's defense with physical punches. That means Elfman's attack is stronger than Madmole's defense and Madmole's defense >>> Kiria's attack power by feats lmao.

 

[Cosmicstar]

We all know the statement was clearly directed at the people who are saying Lucy loses to Elfman. Your current statement alone prove this lol.

Also did my reply not drip with satire? I thought I was being very obvious in displaying the irony of you or any other Lucy fan calling someone an Elfman stan lol.

Let's check Lucy's feats then. She only beat Lisanna (mid tier) and 1 Golem. She exhausted herself doing one of these things at a time. Getting beat up for an entire arc by people who aren't even trying to really hurt you is not a spectacular feat as I already shown (Cobra v Acno) lol. We know they aren't trying bcs they take on stronger opponents than Lucy can face in the same exact forms Lucy fought them in. Mira's BSS power literally frightens Lucy as soon as she power up into it lmao.

Now let's check Elfman feats. He no sold Lucy's trump, he stalemated a guy who no sold FDK and hurt said guy with physical force. Elfman = Madmole >>> FDK Demo-Fist >>>> Lucy. Elfman is a higher level than the mid tier bracket of the guild. He fights people who would total Lucy without a scratch.

We have seen on screen that Lucy's best is only strong enough to cause superficial damage to Elfman. We have seen Elfman's best was capable causing massive damage to someone who no sold a FDK level attack. Pretty sure it was obvious that Elf was stronger than Lucy when he no sold her strongest attack lmao. Him stalemating Madmole is only the cherry on top.

Madmole and Skullion had the same amount of Damage Lucy gave Mirajane and Elfman please stop.

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You are exaggerating their damage to make Elfman look better.

Madmole was defenses was fighting against Heat not physical force so the comparison doesn't work.

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If we were to use your Logic Lucy>Madmole defenses as she was able to withstand much hotter flames

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Also Elfman needed multiple punches to do any damage to Madmole as clearly one punch did nothing and hurt Elfman.

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Elfman didn't no sell Lucy attack as he took damage from it but wasn't knocked out. That is like me saying Lucy no sold Mirajane and Elfman attacks by your logic.

Also Lucy didn't use one attack and was out of magical power clearly you haven't been reading closely enough.

1. Lucy summons Virgo and Leo and then uses Leo Stardress to fight the Strauss Siblings
2. Next she uses Stardress Mix Leo x Virgo form
3. Then she summons Gemini and Taurus then goes into Taurus form
4. Then she fights Lissana again with Capricorn Stardress and Capricorn
5. She then uses Aries Magic to block Cana Fairy Glitter spell
6. Then she goes back into Taurus form and summons Taurus to fight Golems
7. Then she uses Stardress Mix to Aquarius x Scorpio to take out a Golem
8. Also it has never been stated she is out of magical power.

You are clearly trying to downplay the amount of Magic Lucy used this arc to fit your narrative.

Also where was it ever shown or stated Kiria Attack power was weaker than Madmole defenses? You are adding stuff to make Elfman look better. Where was Lion Maiden stated to be her best? Maybe if you actually brought the Manga you would know that was never said. All that was said was that it was a powerful spell. It was never said her most powerful or her trump card. Stop playing yourself and cough up them extra dollars to buy the official translations.

Also lets Look at Lucy feats:

Knocked out Lissana
Took on Elfman and Mirajane at the same time and held her own
Took out Golem that Gajeel struggled against

Elfman feats only includes not getting knocked out by Madmole and dealing superficial damage to him the same amount of damage Lucy dealt to Mirajane and Elfman.


I am going to end it with this. Your argument falls apart because it is based solely around the fact Elfman was able to deal some damage to Madmole while in his Lion form. However Lucy has already faced Elfman in his Lion form and it was shown he couldn't knock her or Leo out. Also when I say Knock out I mean what Lucy did to Lissana not Mirajane tying Leo up so he wouldn't continue the battle. Stop over hyping Elfman to be some god tier.

Also don't give me the BS they were playing around because unless stated that is your head canon. It was never said Elfman tried harder against Madmole then he did against Lucy.

 

[yutu]

Sure with Elfman you could say he was more serious but he wasn't being challenged during the fight, which I should've worded it as. You can say his past feats are underwhelming but when it comes to the conversation of Elfman vs Lucy, the current ones are all that matter. The feats shown during the Elfman vs Lucy showed us Elfman > Lucy. Low Diff would if he got up close and took her out but more than likely it'd be a mid diff. Urano Metria has a casting time, one of which Elfman could just take her out mid casting, wouldn't be smart to do it. She does have other SD mixes but we've seen her strongest one to date do little to nothing to Elfman. Lions maiden will still be as ineffective as the first time she used it, whether or not there's 2 other people with him. Tanking Lions maiden is a feat that put him above Lucy for me. Her best attack not doing much is a big incentive to think so.

UM does not take 20 minutes to get done but maximum 20 seconds. So lucy has time to use this magic and can block elfman with a mind for 20 seconds. In my opinion the strongest must be aquarius x scorpio for the moment the one that will be the strongest will be aquarius x leo. We’ll have to ask elfman to get in the middle of the attack to see if it’s always effective.

 

[Kiki]

Voting for Elfman for now. IMO they are in the same tier but Elfman is slightly stronger. Leaning towards him. He's better tanker and Lucy just lacks offensive attacks.

 

[Livinbreathineatin]

The issue with your statement is you fail to acknowledge that was 1 Stardress mix used against 3 opponents who have already shown good durability. Also That wasn't her trump card as she never states this. In the official translations all she says is that it was a new trick and she can't use it at will. Beyond that we know she has other Stardress mixes.

If the combined attacks of Mirajane and Elfman couldn't knock Lucy out why do you think him alone would be able to? This makes no sense.

Taurus was clearly fine after the attack as he went on to fight the Golems alongside Lucy and co. If we were to do the time shift between the Spirit and Human world that would mean Taurus recovered from that punch within mere seconds. We also know that Taurus is physically superior to Leo as it has been stated and shown. So it doesn't matter if Leo wasn't as physically strong as Elfman, Add into the fact that during his fight with Elfman we don't see Leo use 1 spell during the entire fight. He never uses Regulus at all.

Using Madmole as an example is mute as we have yet to see Lucy fight Madmole. We don't know how Lucy would fair. Lucy seemed to fair better against the golems then Gajeel or Elfman so the comparison doesn't equate.

It was never and I mean never referred to as Lucy's trump card. Only in fan translations.


The only magical attack used against Elfmana and Mirajane was Lion Maiden. Lucy has way more in her arsenal than that. Add into the fact Elfman doesn't have Lissana and Mirajane backing him up so it won't turn out the same as the manga which didn't even finish because it was interrupted. Your argument of Elfman winning is him not being defeated by Madmole but Lucy and Madmole has of yet to battle. Thus this comparison doesn't work. You are making a huge assumption. Add into the fact you are totally disregarding Mirajane's role in the battle. You act as though it was just Elfman fighting Lucy.

You might be able to pull this BS with others but not me. If Lion form combined with Mirajane BSS didn't one shot Lucy in canon nor did it defeat her why would it be any different now especially when in this situation the opposition is weaker.

What?

This is ridiculous. Do you think that Mirajane and Elfman are unable to defeat Lucy? The fact that Mirajane went onto fight Skullion and Gray and Elfman fought Madmole shows that well, they didn’t use much power at all against Lucy. Fighting Lucy did not tire them at all, they sustained more damage in the next fights.

So when it’s your fave fighting, because she wasn’t defeated, that’s a good thing? It was wasn’t a stalemate. Stronger opponents came along and Mira and Elfman diverted their energy elsewhere.

Mirajane didn’t even use an explosion against Lucy and you’re acting like Lucy was too strong to defeat

News flash, Lucy using an attack that she can only use once and cause nothing but literal scratches is pathetic.

News flash, Lucy and Elfman won’t be fighting for 100 years. Elfman tanked Lucy’s new and “powerful” attack and managed to injure Madmole but you think Lucy won’t be defeated after being hammered away for a while? Delusions

 

[yutu]

What?

This is ridiculous. Do you think that Mirajane and Elfman are unable to defeat Lucy? The fact that Mirajane went onto fight Skullion and Gray and Elfman fought Madmole shows that well, they didn’t use much power at all against Lucy. Fighting Lucy did not tire them at all, they sustained more damage in the next fights.

So when it’s your fave fighting, because she wasn’t defeated, that’s a good thing? It was wasn’t a stalemate. Stronger opponents came along and Mira and Elfman diverted their energy elsewhere.

Mirajane didn’t even use an explosion against Lucy and you’re acting like Lucy was too strong to defeat

not against mira. Grey never fought madmol. Fighting them did not tire lucy either though she was alone against 3 people and she was able to use taurus, caprico these dresses and a second mix. With 3 individuals he should have put lucy to the ground quickly. You don’t know if they got more and more damage against madmole. You told the difference delfman’s scratch between his fight against lucy and madmole. Why they diverted their intention to the EDs because skullion knocked gemi-lisanna in front of mirajane. Lucy didn’t use UM.

Mirajane must not be sitting because she does not participate in the fight elfman vs lucy

 

[Livinbreathineatin]

not against mira. Grey never fought madmol. Fighting them did not tire lucy either though she was alone against 3 people and she was able to use taurus, caprico these dresses and a second mix. With 3 individuals he should have put lucy to the ground quickly. His you don’t know if they got more and more damage against madmole. You told the difference delfman’s scratch between his fight against lucy and madmole. Why they diverted their intention to the EDs because skullion knocked gemi-lisanna in front of mirajane. Lucy didn’t use UM.

Mirajane must not be sitting because she does not participate in the fight elfman vs lucy

1. Mirajane clearly held back against Lucy. Was in her weakest forms and used regular punches, didn’t even nuke a Lucy.

2. Elfman used a new form against Lucy but notice how when Lucy used her new move against him, he was scratched, but as soon as he started fighting Madmole, he sustained enough damage to actually knock him out of his form.

3. None of Lucy’s spirits are stronger than Elfman or Mirajane.

4. People need to stop being obtuse when it comes to Lucy fights. I swear to God, Lucy could fight Gildarts using 0000.1% of his power and her fans would go around saying “Gildarts couldn’t defeat Lucy” just stop it /:.

5. Imagine if Mirajane and Elfman used the same energy they used against the DE’s and Gray against Lucy? She’d quite frankly be unconscious. Mira was busy tying up Lucy’s spirits.

Why are people acting like Lucy was matching them move for move and it was an extreme diff fight that could’ve gone either way? Surely we have all seen the series before. People stay acting like Lucy hits harder than Skullion, Madmole or Gray. Lucy could attack Mira and Elfman all day and they still wouldn’t be defeated, but hey good on her for defeating the weakest sibling tho.

 

[yutu]

1. Mirajane clearly held back against Lucy. Was in her weakest forms and used regular punches, didn’t even nuke a Lucy.

2. Elfman used a new form against Lucy but notice how when Lucy used her new move against him, he was scratched, but as soon as he started fighting Madmole, he sustained enough damage to actually knock him out of his form.

3. None of Lucy’s spirits are stronger than Elfman or Mirajane.

4. People need to stop being obtuse when it comes to Lucy fights. I swear to God, Lucy could fight Gildarts using 0000.1% of his power and her fans would go around saying “Gildarts couldn’t defeat Lucy” just stop it /:.

5. Imagine if Mirajane and Elfman used the same energy they used against the DE’s and Gray against Lucy? She’d quite frankly be unconscious. Mira was busy tying up Lucy’s spirits.

Why are people acting like Lucy was matching them move for move and it was an extreme diff fight that could’ve gone either way? Surely we have all seen the series before. People stay acting like Lucy hits harder than Skullion, Madmole or Gray. Lucy could attack Mira and Elfman all day and they still wouldn’t be defeated, but hey good on her for defeating the weakest sibling tho.

1) topic elfman vs lucy and no Mirajan Elfman vs lucy
2) elfman lost his right form due to the pain of the armor of madmole as natsu. Chapter 38 takes up the or elfman hurt his hand after we haven’t really seen elfman fight madmol
3) You’ve seen all the spirits fight elfman no. You see Leo fastening it’s more mirajane’s signature than elfman’s.
So we might wonder if it was really Elfman who defeated Leo.
4) Anything because in another topic I make it clear that I see lucy losing against minerva.
5) you don’t know if they used the most power against madmole and skullion, mirajane is a great asset in a fight. The fight concerns only elfman and lucy, mirajane must not be counted in this fight and his you did not understand.
We have often seen in the manga lucy used strategies to defeat his opponent and defeat stronger enemies such as angel, sherry, edolas, tartaros. But it’s quickly forgotten.

 

[Cosmicstar]

What?

This is ridiculous. Do you think that Mirajane and Elfman are unable to defeat Lucy? The fact that Mirajane went onto fight Skullion and Gray and Elfman fought Madmole shows that well, they didn’t use much power at all against Lucy. Fighting Lucy did not tire them at all, they sustained more damage in the next fights.

So when it’s your fave fighting, because she wasn’t defeated, that’s a good thing? It was wasn’t a stalemate. Stronger opponents came along and Mira and Elfman diverted their energy elsewhere.

Mirajane didn’t even use an explosion against Lucy and you’re acting like Lucy was too strong to defeat

News flash, Lucy using an attack that she can only use once and cause nothing but literal scratches is pathetic.

News flash, Lucy and Elfman won’t be fighting for 100 years. Elfman tanked Lucy’s new and “powerful” attack and managed to injure Madmole but you think Lucy won’t be defeated after being hammered away for a while? Delusions

Elfman fought Lucy with Mirajane backing him up and still didn't defeat her. So no I don't think elfman can defeat Lucy. Using his fight with Madmole is pointless as we already know Lucy is durable enough to withstand Elfman Lion form as it was shown.

Just as Elfman tanked Lucy attack, Lucy did the same to his attacks. So I am not seeing your logic here about he defeats her. He along with Mirajane hits her multiple times and Lucy is still in prime fighting condition as she goes to fight multiple other battles. Already pointing out the difference between the two. Elfman is a one trick pony in the since all his attacks are punch physical based while Lucy could immobilize and attack him in many different ways. Without Mirajane backing him up I don't see Elfman overwhelming Lucy unless she is hella incompetent.

The difference between you Elfman stans and us Lucy fans is we aren't downplaying elfman as you guys are downplaying Lucy. You fail guys fail to address the most important thing in this battle is how does he actually take out Lucy? His lion form wasn't strong enough so what other form would be?

I keep seeing people say his Lion form would easily take out Lucy but truth is his Lion form was just about as effective against Lucy as Lucy's Stardress mix Leo x Virgo against The Strauss Siblings.