was the spark that lit the powder keg rather than it being an inherent part of Gon that was slowly unveiling itself (could you have predicted that the Gon from GI would react in such a manner?) so i think it would not be inconsistent for 1999 Gon to react in that manner, but yes this is certainly arguable.
Gon's behavior, if left unchanged in a hypothetical Nippon Animation adaptation of the CA arc, would be extremely inconsistent in the 1999 series. You'd be missing the gradual progression/budding masculinity--qualities removed from the 1999 series' adaptation.
Yeah but 2011 HxH (at the Hunter Exam, particularly) was targetted to boys 5-10. It occupies a morning slot in Japan. Yorkshin is improving in that regard but still can't quite shake its roots.
No; the Hunter Exam arc didn't have a specific demographic it was aimed at. You misunderstood the flow of the series. You're pulling that "5-10" statistic out from nowhere. Just because a show has a morning slot doesn't mean that it's exclusively aimed toward children...rather, it's aimed toward a wider audience than most anime. The only people who watch anime at night, aside from primetime shows like Pokemon and Naruto, are otaku.
I get the feeling that many are mistaking a "muted palette" for "subtlety." Please, enlighten me on this supposed complexity.
I don't have HxH on this laptop, but I've always wanted to actually see if this is true by marathoning both animations again. Might try it this weekend.
But define what you mean by contradiction? Is "doing -exactly- the -opposite-" the correct phrase?
As in changes the perception of the scene or story. Examples.
-Killua coming off antisocial when him and Gon first met. Killua was the one who introduced himself not Gon
-Gon actually thought about using Kurapika and Lerio as bait. In the 1999 anime he didn't.
-Gon's mom isn't dead, nor is she realated to Mito. Ging some how leaving for 10 years than comes back and marries her sister? Them growing up with each other makes abseloutely no sense if thats the case.
-The stupid anita filler. That shit is self explanatory if you watch it.
-Netero vs Gon and Killua was nothing like how the manga or the 2011 anime had it.
-The split mountain scene. Gon ends up saving the fat dude but for some reason he didn't save the other 10 people that fell.
-Lerio steals the tag from Ponzu instead of Gon.
And all kinds of other stupid shit i can't think of atm. lol
Gon's behavior, if left unchanged in a hypothetical Nippon Animation adaptation of the CA arc, would be extremely inconsistent in the 1999 series. You'd be missing the gradual progression/budding masculinity--qualities removed from the 1999 series' adaptation.
Let's face it, revenge is a completely new thing for Gon and manga Gon isn't as dark as you make him out to be. Most people would agree that he is a good guy without reservation. You can hang on to the bit about him "considering letting Leorio and Kurapica" die to Hisoka but really it could be construed as single mindedness he would've snapped out of. I also wonder how much you can infer from that one panel when everything Gon does runs contrary.
No; the Hunter Exam arc didn't have a specific demographic it was aimed at. You misunderstood the flow of the series. You're pulling that "5-10" statistic out from nowhere. Just because a show has a morning slot doesn't mean that it's exclusively aimed toward children...rather, it's aimed toward a wider audience than most anime. The only people who watch anime at night, aside from primetime shows like Pokemon and Naruto, are otaku.
It doesn't matter if he would have stuck with the latter... He still thought about using his friends as possible bait. That tells you that he's not completely right in the head.
Let's face it, revenge is a completely new thing for Gon and manga Gon isn't as dark as you make him out to be. Most people would agree that he is a good guy without reservation. You can hang on to the bit about him "considering letting Leorio and Kurapica" die to Hisoka but really it could be construed as single mindedness he would've snapped out of. I also wonder how much you can infer from that one panel when everything Gon does runs contrary.
Okay, opinion time about manga!Gon. I disagree with the bolded statement, and here is why.
The thing is, I think a lot of Gon's characterizations rely on subtlety. Or rather, a lot of his characterizations are subtle and gradual; hence why it is easy to misinterpret his character. This is what I think of Gon.
I think Gon is a fighter. A very determined one at that. When he sets his mind to something, there's no way you can snap him out of it.
I think Gon is a sheltered kid, much like Killua. However, unlike Gon, Killua can handle himself in the real world. I don't think Gon will be able to do that and not be reckless without Killua.
It's less that Gon is a 'dark' character but more that he isn't the typical good guy protagonist you would expect him to be. You've already mentioned the part where he thought about using his friends as bait. He also stole Ponzu's tag without remorse. He's not fazed when he sees a dead person, or see one of his friends rip a guy's heart out - and we're talking about a kid who grew up sheltered in a small island. He's willing to be friends with an assassin; he doesn't even question the dangers of being friends with Killua. When Killua says his parents kill for a living, Gon doesn't flinch or react. Instead, he just asks, "Both of them?" That's not the reaction you would usually give. Normally, people would back off or think Killua is joking. Not Gon. He doesn't think of the dangers of being friends with an assassin. In Yorkshin, Gon doesn't care if they sell jewels at the auction that may not have been authentic (correct me if I'm wrong though, but I'm pretty sure they weren't authentic).
In GI, he lets go of a serial rapist (or serial killer was it?) despite his crimes - only because he helped them train.
In the Ant arc, he was willing to harm Komugi - an innocent victim of the events. Of course, this is more likely because he wasn't thinking rationally and was overcome by emotions; thus it is arguable whether or not Gon will still do this if he was of sound mind. But I find this an interesting parallel with when he thought of putting his friends in danger during the Hunter Exam for the sake of his goals.
Another thing I noticed about Gon is that he strives to be strong. I think him growing up in nature makes him subscribe to the 'Survival of the Fittest' mentality. I've noticed that he detests losing and loves getting stronger; I can't think of examples off the top of my head though.
Zepile talks about him in the manga and I think he says Gon doesn't take into account what is good or bad. I think that's the most concise description of him. I guess what I'm trying to get at is that Gon doesn't have a clear cut moral compass; whether or not this is an inherent part of him or this is due to how he grew up in a small little island and lacks common sense is up to you. He mostly acts on interest, not on what is morally sound. He's a wild child; that's why having Killua is important to keep him grounded.
It will be interesting to see what would happen in the manga now that they have separated.
So no, I don't think Gon is dark. But I also don't think he's a good guy in that he goes out of his way to do good things. I think he's pure in the sense that he doesn't want to harm people intentionally. But he tends to be reckless and his decisions and actions don't reflect that of the typical good guy protagonist. What is 'good' or what is 'bad' doesn't matter to Gon, and I think that says a lot about him.
Let's face it, revenge is a completely new thing for Gon and manga Gon isn't as dark as you make him out to be. Most people would agree that he is a good guy without reservation. You can hang on to the bit about him "considering letting Leorio and Kurapica" die to Hisoka but really it could be construed as single mindedness he would've snapped out of. I also wonder how much you can infer from that one panel when everything Gon does runs contrary.
Revenge isn't new for him either. His fight against Hisoka? That was him getting his revenge. He goes further in the Chimera Ant arc and it's somewhat hard for me to believe that you don't feel that his character becomes significantly darker than he was before.
"Good guys" in manga protect innocent, unaffiliated parties and act as saviors. Did you see Gon do such a thing during the Hunter Exam arc (aside from when it came to his friends)?
And you don't think that the character is "dark" (for shonen manga)? In the Chimera Ant arc, he squeezes an ant until it vomits out its own intestines! He threatens to kill an innocent blind woman (and I should add that in Yorknew City, he specifically questions Chrollo on how he could do such a thing...well, now he understands)! He beats his foe's skull in until it explodes into pulp!
What shonen heroes do you see doing any of that? Gon as characterized by Furuhashi would never even think commit a single one of these actions.
So omake shorts are automatically geared towards 5-10 year old children? Never mind the fact that a third of them are clearly packed with innuendo. I'm not making the argument that HxH is aimed toward adults (because face it, it is 100% a children's television program that we honestly spend way too much time and energy arguing about), but the demographic isn't solely geared towards those ages either. You pulled that figure from nowhere.
Page 10 had commentary on the subtleties of the 1999 series. This comment wasn't specifically geared toward you (and I should have indicated it), but few actually draw from concrete examples when making said argument.
Anyway, can the above examples be interpreted as you've interpreted them? Sure. Can they be interpreted the way I've interpreted them? Sure. Which only shows that creators of the old anime did a perfect job since Kurapica's gender hasn't been confirmed in the manga to this day. But unless stated explicitly otherwise Kurapica is a normal guy. And there is not even a hint of faggotry in his scenes, not even close. Contrary to the new anime and the infamous Hunterpedia episode where Killua kisses Gon. Or even worse: http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r554/funkedgeek/schwing2.jpg </throwing up>. For that reason alone old anime >> new anime.
The message was adressed to Shinobi-03, and i was looking forward to his reponse, but he didn't.
As long as i find Shinobi's argument pretty exagerating and trollesque on the Kurapika's gender topic, this guy counter-arguments are nothing better.
Huncyclopedia is an OMAKE. It's not part of the story, its an extra/ bonus like dozens of anime have.
If there is something you should retain on the article, it's pretty this :
Omake often include comedy sketches where the characters behave out of character, break the fourth wall, or subtly address opinions of the fandom known to the writers.
Omake occasionally appears in fanfiction about anime or manga, after the story itself, usually as a humorous "alternative ending".
So yeah, using this as an argument is actually pretty stupid.
Contrary to the old anime where these sort of things are insert in the anime itself(leorio x kurapika in the final episode), i'm gonna say that 2011 >> Naah, not gonna make this kind of bold and pointless statement.
@bobop
It doesn't matter that it's an omake. This shit will be added to DVDs and Blu-ray discs and was broadcast on the TV. In the old anime there was no shit like this ANYWHERE.
Revenge isn't new for him either. His fight against Hisoka? That was him getting his revenge. He goes further in the Chimera Ant arc and it's somewhat hard for me to believe that you don't feel that his character becomes significantly darker than he was before.
Sure, he was poleaxed by grief in the CA arc and acted differently. But that's the CA arc and its extraordinary circumstances. His "revenge" against Hisoka constituted punching him in the face. It was a matter of pride. It's not a revenge murder, especially one that gets innocents involved.
"Good guys" in manga protect innocent, unaffiliated parties and act as saviors. Did you see Gon do such a thing during the Hunter Exam arc (aside from when it came to his friends)?
Supposedly, Gon doesn't judge. But he condemns the Ryodan, Illumi, Pitou and Genthru, doesn't he? And even Razor. Then he shrugs and says it's ok, Zephile, and lets away scissorhands, Gensuru and sees the Hunter Exam as fair game. The way I see it, he sees what's in front him - the person that is. Until he witnesses it or experiences it, it doesn't mean much. So what is there to take away? Naivety, in my opinion, not lack of morality. One could also say that for someone to hold the "fair game" principle, a pre-requisite is maturity. Depends on how you see it.
I think if Togashi reallly wanted to portray Gon as a beast inside he would put a little more effort. All we get are one or two panels that are fairly inconclusive and open to interpretation.
What shonen heroes do you see doing any of that? Gon as characterized by Furuhashi would never even think commit a single one of these actions
Would be an interesting contrast to see him that way in 1999 - he's never lost anyone.
So omake shorts are automatically geared towards 5-10 year old children? Never mind the fact that a third of them are clearly packed with innuendo. I'm not making the argument that HxH is aimed toward adults (because face it, it is 100% a children's television program that we honestly spend way too much time and energy arguing about), but the demographic isn't solely geared towards those ages either. You pulled that figure from nowhere.
Put it this way. Why would a show not targeted to kids 5-10 have an omake CLEARLY designed for this demographic? We're not talking about chibi humorous short omakes here.
Sure, he was poleaxed by grief in the CA arc and acted differently. But that's the CA arc and its extraordinary circumstances. His "revenge" against Hisoka constituted punching him in the face. It was a matter of pride. It's not a revenge murder, especially one that gets innocents involved.
Gon had no idea that Kite had died until chapter 305--only that he was altered. And he believed that Neferpitou could heal him. Regardless of the circumstances, those are actions that Gon still took and was capable of doing. You can't use his "grief" as an excuse because he was still remarkably clearheaded. Despite how he acted, at the time, he meant every word of what he said.
Supposedly, Gon doesn't judge. But he condemns the Ryodan, Illumi, Pitou and Genthru, doesn't he? And even Razor. Then he shrugs and says it's ok, Zephile, and lets away scissorhands, Gensuru and sees the Hunter Exam as fair game. The way I see it, he sees what's in front him - the person that is. Until he witnesses it or experiences it, it doesn't mean much. So what is there to take away? Naivety, in my opinion, not lack of morality. One could also say that for someone to hold the "fair game" principle, a pre-requisite is maturity. Depends on how you see it.
You misunderstand. Gon doesn't view actions or people in terms of "good" or "bad" unless he's already biased against them. Circumstances set it up.
He sees Illumi as "bad" because of what he did to his friend Killua...despite the fact that Killua murdered an innocent man at the end of the Hunter Exam out of his own volition.
He sees the Phantom Troupe as "bad" because of what he had heard they had done to the Kurta clan...despite not knowing any of the circumstances surrounding that event; Gon only knows about how it has affected his friend Kurapika.
Gon likes Razor. He is awed by the man's strength. He gets pissed off that Razor almost killed Killua, but only during their game.
Gon doesn't judge Genthru. He doesn't necessarily like him, but the chapter following Genthru's defeat specifically has the trio of Gon, Killua, and Biscuit mention that they're in no position to judge. Gon personally heals Genthru. During their match, however, he really gets Gon riled up. The fact that Genthru murders the players' alliance is fuel for the fire...but it's not his personal mission. More than anything, Gon is mad that Genthru seems to be making his dad's game a "bad" thing...through cheating.
Gon views Neferpitou as a "thing" or "monster," not a human. He can go all the way.
This statement:
The way I see it, he sees what's in front him - the person that is. Until he witnesses it or experiences it, it doesn't mean much. So what is there to take away? Naivety, in my opinion, not lack of morality. One could also say that for someone to hold the "fair game" principle, a pre-requisite is maturity. Depends on how you see it.
I think if Togashi reallly wanted to portray Gon as a beast inside he would put a little more effort. All we get are one or two panels that are fairly inconclusive and open to interpretation.
Gon never thought he did...until 305. In the 1999 series, he was intended to lose his friend Kurapika. He would have taken it in stride. Furuhashi didn't see a need to mature Gon at all.
Put it this way. Why would a show not targeted to kids 5-10 have an omake CLEARLY designed for this demographic? We're not talking about chibi humorous short omakes here.
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I'm feeling somewhat lazy, so I won't write a huge post concerning my opinions on the difference between the two anime series. I will say this though: Despite me mostly being pro-2011, 1999 had better backgrounds, particularly Yorknew which looked fantastic. 2011 is by no means bad in that aspect, but some of the backgrounds seem a little uninspired.
I'm feeling somewhat lazy, so I won't write a huge post concerning my opinions on the difference between the two anime series. I will say this though: Despite me mostly being pro-2011, 1999 had better backgrounds, particularly Yorknew which looked fantastic. 2011 is by no means bad in that aspect, but some of the backgrounds seem a little uninspired.
While I do agree that backgrounds do look good in general in the 1999 version, sometimes they were lazy and used saturated still shots of the real New York instead of making their own backgrounds for the anime.
Naah, not gonna make this kind of bold and pointless statement.
