Discussion 3D2Y Special: Luffy's Training ^.^

[HereNThere]

Yeah I think he would and he actually did. Remember, he told his crew to flee from Kizaru, Kuma, and Sentomaru because they were too weak to fight them. Luffy is simple, but unless provoked, he knows to run from a losing battle.

Personally, I don't think World would have been able to break out of Impel Down, even if he wasn't frozen. Then again, we have an idea on how powerful Shiki was as he was comparable to two Admiral level fighters. World's strength is relatively unknown. He's quite stronger than Mid-TS Luffy, but other than that, he doesn't have a direct comparison.

 

[jamarTheDem]

I almost forgot about that . But you also have to conclude that beforehand he did face the enemy head first . I think after fighting Rob, Moriah then unlocking and using his burst of Haki on that Bull , he probably gained CoC and started being able to feel how powerful his opponents were .

That's what I'm saying . World Haki is solely the reason he was consider strong , which he just flexed around causally . (To make Luffy's training partner look strong then he is) also his ability being able to increase the size of something 100x was also a overkill . Why use 30 years of your life to make a non special gigantic cannon when you had such an ability ? Then later to see it destroyed by only one slash from Mihawk ? Did he really think he could top the WHOLE World Government with that solely ?

 

[milek]

I wonder will Luffy be able to imbued his entire body with hardened Haki.

 

[jamarTheDem]

I wonder will Luffy be able to imbued his entire body with hardened Haki.

Tbh he probably can . I don't think it makes the user actually stronger . Luffy just knows were to balance his hardened Haki to use at it's full protenial . Using Hardened Haki on your entire body might protect it but storing up your Haki in a arm could be stronger . I guess .

 

[HereNThere]

I almost forgot about that . But you also have to conclude that beforehand he did face the enemy head first . I think after fighting Rob, Moriah then unlocking and using his burst of Haki on that Bull , he probably gained CoC and started being able to feel how powerful his opponents were .

That's what I'm saying . World Haki is solely the reason he was consider strong , which he just flexed around causally . (To make Luffy's training partner look strong then he is) also his ability being able to increase the size of something 100x was also a overkill . Why use 30 years of your life to make a non special gigantic cannon when you had such an ability ? Then later to see it destroyed by only one slash from Mihawk ? Did he really think he could top the WHOLE World Government with that solely ?

While he did face them head on, when he realized he couldn't win, he called for his crew to retreat, which is something World didn't do. I don't think he felt the strength of his opponent because he didn't know Sentomaru was stronger than him and still attempted to fight and promptly got beaten. He only realized after they saw their attacks were ineffective. Then Kizaru showed up and all hell broke loose.

He did, but he wasn't exactly sane anymore due to his time in Impel Down and his being "betrayed" by his crew.

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I wonder will Luffy be able to imbued his entire body with hardened Haki.

I wondered that ever since we first saw Hardening from him. But seeing as how Vergo could it, I'm expecting Luffy to be able to do it by the end of the series as well.

 

[jamarTheDem]

Yeah I'm currently rewatching he Water 7 arc and I must say he does know when a opinion is too stronger or just right . but They're's a exception . When his friends and family are in danger he's willing to break the chains of caution seen countless times . That's something ever Straw Hat would do . I think no matter what World had the same mentality as Luffy , he loves his friends and would do anything to save them then to find out when reality is flipped his crew he'd die for wouldn't attempt to save him...that's harsh . In his eyes they abandoned him to live free while he was incarcerated . The ship seemed liked a smokescreen to cover up their guilt .

Also the animation on 3D2Y is perfect . Why couldn't the animation after the timeskip look exactly like the special ? Also Luffy gear 2nd looked absolutely beautiful and well design . (Just like Strong World & Z)

 

[milek]

About animation. When the 3d2y started animation was bad, very bad. After 5 min of movie it got to the place where shoud be.

 

[jamarTheDem]

About animation. When the 3d2y started animation was bad, very bad. After 5 min of movie it got to the place where shoud be.

I'm talking about the fights , especially Luffy vs World . Also inside the ships the graphic designing was awesome .

 

[ProGoddess]

Ahhhh! I've finally gotten the time to watch this movie.

It definitely has a good start with kid-Luffy and kid-Ace and little Luffy's crybaby was so funny, while Ace was acting cool as an onii-chan. I have always like to watch about the three boys (Ace, Sabo and Luffy) and the life of their childhood.

The beginning of Luffy trying to save Ace was very intense, reminded me on how close the bond of the two brothers were. But the scene of Ace dying while both of them hugging each other and his confession of gratification made me cry so hard. Though I have already known the story but I can't help it.

I was glad that Rayleigh was the person who trained Luffy, particularly he was the "right-hand man" of Roger's pirates. Though it was not told or seen in the story, I suspected that he might have felt sorry for Roger's son who was unable to live long enough to inherit his father's will. Perhaps by mentoring the brother (Luffy) who has always had an extremely great relationship with Ace might give him (Rayleigh) and the deceased Roger some comfort.

World was such a scary guy in whom he just blew up and killed anything and everything without mercy, not even his own people. But in the end, he was back with his brother again. So it wasn't that bad. He had a good brother after all.

Boa was so in love with Luffy, which made her looked cute especially her blushing face. Poor old woman (the Elder) got so headache with her. I believed she must have felt like that lovey-lovey girl right on her face. hahaha! But Boa's love for Luffy was true though.

The fight between Luffy and World was really good and epic. I have truly enjoyed it.

At the end of the movie, Sabo showed up was a nice hint of his appearance to Luffy again.

 

[jamarTheDem]

I totally agree with you lol so I'll stay this movie was a 9.5/10 or 8.5/10 . A lot of needless characters although

 

[ProGoddess]

I guess we do need secondary characters to form the background of the scene. By making World's crew members a "sacrifice", it actually helped to bring out World's cruelness and his heartless nature. On the contrary, his brother's behaviour has also made a distinction in their differences of personality, as well as how their different views and thoughts about life and its perspective, and goals they both desired to achieve affected their course of actions.

I do agree with your rating, jamar. It's a good movie and I've enjoyed it.

 

[jamarTheDem]

I guess we do need secondary characters to form the background of the scene. By making World's crew members a "sacrifice", it actually helped to bring out World's cruelness and his heartless nature. On the contrary, his brother's behaviour has also made a distinction in their differences of personality, as well as how their different views and thoughts about life and its perspective, and goals they both desired to achieve affected their course of actions.

I do agree with your rating, jamar. It's a good movie and I've enjoyed it.

But I'm on World side , we seen a timeskip . World was a jolly determined man . It seems after being betrayed he changed . It's not right how he treated them but it's life . Leaving a friend to die is worse then death . They must of felt guilty and decide 'why don't we built the super useless cannon and wait tell he gets out of Impel Down .' That's wrong in my option . Smh

But thanks

 

[ProGoddess]

But I'm on World side , we seen a timeskip . World was a jolly determined man . It seems after being betrayed he changed . It's not right how he treated them but it's life . Leaving a friend to die is worse then death . They must of felt guilty and decide 'why don't we built the super useless cannon and wait tell he gets out of Impel Down .' That's wrong in my option . Smh

But thanks

There is always both side of the coin. Everyone has his or her past story to tell and one either moves on or dwells in the past, or even stays stagnate (which is to do nothing and lives on day-by-day aimlessly). In everyday life, there are always choices to make and World and his brother have chosen a different path which happens to contradict to each other. That was probably how the story was unfolded to us to see the differences between two characters in the story.

Oh yes, I do get your point. Thanks for sharing, jamar. In fact to think about it, if the production team and author are willing, there is a great potential of story-telling of World and his brother with more elaboration and plot lines. Hmmm... I think it isn't that bad to have a short series of specials, be it one or two episodes. What do you guys think?

 

[jamarTheDem]

I wouldn't mind him being on the cover page instead of Jinbe tbh . If so he needs to be on a special maybe after a major plot conclusion .

 

[RichardMNixon]

They also explained here that the Shichibukai as an institution is less than 30 years old; had we known that before? I guess the 3 great powers as a whole is pretty young since the yonkou weren't around during Roger's time, but it's still interesting. I wonder if the ones at the start of the series were the originals or if some had left and joined prior to that.

 

[jamarTheDem]

Unless the Shichibukai that we first seen was new , every Warlord is older then 30 except Law . I'm confused about what you said lol

Well Big Mom and Whitebeard are around the same age as Gol.D Rogers so I'm not too sure about that .

Also the World Government been around atlease 400 years (way more Forsure) I'm pretty sure Rogers isn't that old . So we can say that the 1 of the world powers existed , while pirates were active and not rulers nor ruled over like Shichibukai .

 

[ProGoddess]

The system of Shichibukai was implemented by the World Government, in which the Warlords could be changed (anytime) as long as either the Warlords resigned from their position or if the World Government deemed them as "enemies" (pirates) again if their actions or behaviours were working against the World Government and its policy.

Some of the "senior" (so to speak) pirates and marine soldiers have been there since that time which included the familiar people we know, like Whitebeard, Rayleigh, Garp, Roger (of course) and so on. I'm unsure where Byrnndi World stood in that era since he was one of the prisoners that escaped from Impel Down. It's like this guy just pops up from nowhere and come into the picture (which I feel it literally is).

Not much was told of Byrnndi World, his relationships with his brother and his crew except that both brothers had the same goal in the past but was altered due to World's ambitious ideation of revenge of the World Government in which his brother did not adhere to. World also treated his crew members as "tools".

I guess one series of the movie may not be sufficient to reveal their life story though I did find the movie nice and interesting in which I have enjoyed.

 

[jamarTheDem]

The system of Shichibukai was implemented by the World Government, in which the Warlords could be changed (anytime) as long as either the Warlords resigned from their position or if the World Government deemed them as "enemies" (pirates) again if their actions or behaviours were working against the World Government and its policy.

Some of the "senior" (so to speak) pirates and marine soldiers have been there since that time which included the familiar people we know, like Whitebeard, Rayleigh, Garp, Roger (of course) and so on. I'm unsure where Byrnndi World stood in that era since he was one of the prisoners that escaped from Impel Down. It's like this guy just pops up from nowhere and come into the picture (which I feel it literally is).

Not much was told of Byrnndi World, his relationships with his brother and his crew except that both brothers had the same goal in the past but was altered due to World's ambitious ideation of revenge of the World Government in which his brother did not adhere to. World also treated his crew members as "tools".

I guess one series of the movie may not be sufficient to reveal their life story though I did find the movie nice and interesting in which I have enjoyed.

I can agree . But wasn't it Shiki was the only other pirate to break out of Impel Down ? Luffy broke In and out if my memory doesn't fail me . World was froze in a ice cube and released after 30 years . Does that mean his bounty is erased ?

World Before Jail:

- A Man that wanted to be "free"

- Trust and cherished his crew/friends

- Loyal

- Determined in a good way

- Very Rash

World After Jail:

- A Man Who wanted to destroy the World Government

- Used His crew as tools after being betrayed by them

- Trust issues

- determined in a bad way

- Very rash


All in all I still think World was and after getting beaten by Luffy will become a good guy . He only became evil/bad because of his crew member betraying him and because the WG Made him "cooler" . Building a ship won't take those 30 years in a ice cube away . That's like Luffy getting caught and The Straw Hats Builds Sunny repent .

 

[Ryuzaki L]

If gear 2 combined with Haki can produce a Red Hawk, can you imagine what Luffy will get from combining his Jet Gatling with Haki?

 

[amidaru312]

Re: Manga, Anime, or Both?

was anyone else really disapointed that the "big reveal" at the end of the 3d2y special which was just sabo? Like that was all for just the anime fans, I thought we would finally find out a back story of someone or something big that even the people who read the manga doesnt know.