Question About Outside God and the Tower

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

the new One Piece chapter was so peak. Oh my god.

Agreed. The woki hype is unreal

 

[maverickframe_19]

Agreed. The woki hype is unreal

The size of that dragon. My god, giant Gear 5 Luffy riding on him. Absolute cinema, man. But after seeing all this, I just want to know, how did Shanks beat this Loki? I am convinced it must have been a sneak attack or something because no way in hell is Shanks beating Loki here. For real. Kaido's dragon form gets cucked against Loki's dragon form. The size difference is like going from Vhagar to Drogon (Game of Thrones reference).

As much as Tower of God has disappointed me in the past year, One Piece has kept me entertained.

--- Double Post Merged, Feb 15, 2026, Original Post Date: Feb 14, 2026 ---

I don't think it's possible for The Darkness to recreate something as strong as Phanta anyway.

Why? Why does the idea of a man fathering two strong children who can compete in the Olympics seem strange to you? Of course, darkness can. He's a higher being who created an axis. He can, and perhaps he has. When you start your argument with "I don't think it's possible," please explain why you believe that.

 

[Demonspeed]

meWhy? Why does the idea of a man fathering two strong children who can compete in the Olympics seem strange to you? Of course, darkness can. He's a higher being who created an axis. He can, and perhaps he has. When you start your argument with "I don't think it's possible," please explain why you believe that.

I think it can't because Phanta is exceptionally strong and we know he is an Axis. If it can why hasn't it already? Why limit it to two? What did Darkness manage to do when Phanta disobeyed it and went his own way? Why didn't it kill him or beat him up? Who is stopping Phanta at the moment?

 

[maverickframe_19]

What did Darkness manage to do when Phanta disobeyed it and went his own way? Why didn't it kill him or beat him up? Who is stopping Phanta at the moment?

LOL, why would a higher being dirty his hands when he can create another being akin to another Phanta to do his job while also guiding humanity, which higher beings do not normally do? They are the universe's overseers. They don't interfere. Darkness could have taken care of shiny beings on his own. Based on your logic, why did he create Phanta in the first place? There are always nuances; do not outright reject them.

 

[Demonspeed]

LOL, why would a higher being dirty his hands when he can create another being akin to another Phanta to do his job while also guiding humanity, which higher beings do not normally do? They are the universe's overseers. They don't interfere. Darkness could have taken care of shiny beings on his own. Based on your logic, why did he create Phanta in the first place? There are always nuances; do not outright reject them.

Dirty his hands? Because his creation flat out disobeyed it and is doing whatever he wants? What's easier? Defeat Phanta by himself or creating someone who will "supposedly" do something millennia later?

What's your evidence that Darkness can move at all? Besides feats of creation we have nothing from them.

Phanta was created to defeat the Shining Ones, it's said in the first chapter. They are treated more like forces of the universe than actual characters.

 

[maverickframe_19]

Defeat Phanta by himself or creating someone who will "supposedly" do something millennia later?

Did you completely negate my point where I said the higher beings are general overseers of the universe, and they let their creators do their thing? When has the Living Tribunal interfered in various Marvel Universe events? When has the one above all interfered?

What's your evidence that Darkness can move at all? Besides feats of creation we have nothing from them.

He doesn't need to move when he can create another axis like being. Millennia is not a factor. Time is never a factor to these beings.

Phanta was created to defeat the Shining Ones, it's said in the first chapter. They are treated more like forces of the universe than actual characters.

Yeah, bro. I know. The one who created Phanta to defeat shiny ones can also create another being akin to Phanta to defeat him, is what I'm saying, and there's no evidence to say he can't do that.

 

[Demonspeed]

Did you completely negate my point where I said the higher beings are general overseers of the universe, and they let their creators do their thing? When has the Living Tribunal interfered in various Marvel Universe events? When has the one above all interfered?




He doesn't need to move when he can create another axis like being. Millennia is not a factor. Time is never a factor to these beings.



Yeah, bro. I know. The one who created Phanta to defeat shiny ones can also create another being akin to Phanta to defeat him, is what I'm saying, and there's no evidence to say he can't do that.

I don't know much about Marvel, I am only talking about this series.

How is creating something, something you have no guarantee to know if it'll be obedient too(like Phanta) than destroying your minion by yourself? You think someone with self-respect would allow this?

You are saying he can, right? So, where is he? Who is the one punishing Phanta while he is wrecking havoc? Darkness was annoyed to see the Shinies causing chaos in the world. It's not something impassible.

Darkness: "I created Phanta to defeat the Axis. Phanta defeated them and rebelled against him. What's next?"

Darkness: "Instead of creating something stronger than Phanta so that he can be defeated. I'll create someone else who will only be able to become an Axis through countless trials while my arrogant creation will do whatever he please, trying to rule over everything."

--- Double Post Merged, Feb 15, 2026, Original Post Date: Feb 15, 2026 ---

I'll elaborate on why I believe Darkness can't create another Phanta. I think it would just become too ridiculous if it were the case. Being able to create multiple Phanta or Phanta+ individuals unrestrictedly doesn't seem believable to me.

• Light created all the races and the Shinies at the top.
• Darkness created Phanta, someone stronger than all the Shinies and an Axis.
• Light retaliated with Urek.

Phanta and Urek are Darkness and Light's masterpieces(though in the case of the former, its only creation), both are Axes(or you can least say Axis tier potential depending on what you believe about Urek). If they can easily create beings of that level then the whole story is a farce. They have some limitations.

 

[kkck]

What I am thinking in regards to shanks and loki is that perhaps their confrontation was about the chaos loki was causing through the new world. Shanks might have been on loki's side but he could have seen loki's rampage as being too risky. And then, as powerful as loki is his crew probably was not THAT strong outside of their size. Loki vs shank's whole crew sounds doable considering how strong each executive is supposed to be.

 

[Demonspeed]

What I am thinking in regards to shanks and loki is that perhaps their confrontation was about the chaos loki was causing through the new world. Shanks might have been on loki's side but he could have seen loki's rampage as being too risky. And then, as powerful as loki is his crew probably was not THAT strong outside of their size. Loki vs shank's whole crew sounds doable considering how strong each executive is supposed to be.

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