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there has been several key facts revealed in the last few chapters:
1. yuno's necklace, dropped off with yuno and asta, has a key magic stone critical to the elf race
2. cloned bodies and the ability to reincarnate elves into them
3. elf god
4. gate to hell
5. ancient elf-human agreement to control the gate to hell

first, yuno's necklace means someone knew the importance of the magic stones and the elf massacre. patri was not even awaken when asta and yuno were delivered to the church. so who could it be?
1. someone or group that had the knowledge of the past and that patri reincarnated without even patri being fully awaken. seems unlikely. furthermore, why entrust such important assets to kids growing up in church?
2. someone who could see the past and future (though limited) - the primary candidate would be someone with time magic...
3. someone who came back from the future to prevent the impending elf-demon disaster - the primary candidate would obviously be someone with time magic...

so the likely person would be julius. though he seem to have only limited knowledge, but he did seem to know a lot more than he was telling. killing patri/william would be simple, but perhaps he did not want to kill patri/william but wanted to revive the elves because he needed their help to fight the demons?

perhaps the elf god was the elf making a deal with the devil since the elves knew they were opening the gate to hell?

or perhaps the demons tricked the elves?
perhaps the demons tricked a jealous patri to somehow kill the elf village but gave them the power for reincarnation to open the gate to hell?

i would not be surprised the ending to the current arc will have the demons invade and beaten back but patri possessed by a demon...
 

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That bird Nero was pulling string one by one. Guiding Asta to Magic stone, Demon dweller sword, and third demon sword. He could be demon.
 

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That bird Nero was pulling string one by one. Guiding Asta to Magic stone, Demon dweller sword, and third demon sword. He could be demon.
something is definitely off with nero
here is an unconventional way to consider nero.
nero is featured far too much in the anime intro, so i cannot believe nero is a bad guy.
william is in the intro also, but not in the same way as nero.
not clear what nero is.
here is my question - does nero land on anyone with lots of mana like noelle?
anti-birds are not supposed to stay around people with strong mana...
 

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perhaps the demons tricked a jealous patri to somehow kill the elf village
Judging by chapter 148....no.
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killing patri/william would be simple, but perhaps he did not want to kill patri/william but wanted to revive the elves
He didn't want to kill William
 

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^ well it looks like patri has been replaced by ronne or david in the theory
 

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Why David?
 

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Why David?
something is very suspicious about david.
one, he did not attack the humans.
i understand the stated reason is that the elves are so powerful that it was moot.
two, mimosa said the magic used in the room where david is was neither human nor elf.
i understand the way ryaa was injured is very different than how unharmed david looks.
however, perhaps it was a possession that went from david to ronne?
that is a theory that several people are now expounding on.
 

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two, mimosa said the magic used in the room where david is was neither human nor elf.

He probably referred to the magic used to make him faint.


something is very suspicious about david.
one, he did not attack the humans.
Da come parlava non mi pareva strano, parlava di come voleva rincontrarsi con gli altri elfi e conosceva la magia di Ratry-Langris.
 

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He probably referred to the magic used to make him faint.




Da come parlava non mi pareva strano, parlava di come voleva rincontrarsi con gli altri elfi e conosceva la magia di Ratry-Langris.
right - made faint or did the possession transfer from david to ronne?
sorry please translate
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updated theory based on latest chapters - new material have been underlined while striked material were eliminated by new facts.

there has been several key facts revealed in the last few chapters:
  1. yuno's necklace, dropped off with yuno (licht's son's soul) and asta (???), has a key magic stone critical to the elf race, brought back the Devil's body instead of completing the reincarnation of the elves
  2. cloned bodies and the ability to reincarnate elves into them
  3. elf god
  4. gate to hell
  5. ancient elf-human agreement to control the gate to hell
  6. the Devil, who lost its body probably during the battle with the first magic emperor (and licht?), played the elves and the humans like a drum
first, yuno's necklace means someone knew the importance of the magic stones and the elf massacre. patri was not even awaken when asta and yuno were delivered to the church. so who could it be?
  1. someone or group that had the knowledge of the past and that patri reincarnated without even patri being fully awaken. seems unlikely. furthermore, why entrust such important assets to kids growing up in church?
  2. someone who could see the past and future (though limited) - the primary candidate would be someone with time magic...
  3. someone who came back from the future to prevent the impending elf-demon disaster - the primary candidate would obviously be someone with time magic...
so the likely person would be julius. though he seem to have only limited knowledge, but he did seem to know a lot more than he was telling. killing patri/william would be simple, but perhaps he did not want to kill patri/william but wanted to revive the elves because he needed their help to fight the demons?

perhaps elf god was the elf making a deal with the devil since the elves knew they were open the gates to hell?

perhaps
The devil/demons tricked a jealous patri (the vessel) to take revenge on the humans deceived to somehow kill the elf village with but gave them the power for reincarnation to gain a physical body and open the gates of hell?

i would not be surprised the ending to the current arc will have the demons invade and beaten back but patri possessed by a devil/demon...
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if the word demon is defeated and the new 5 leaf grimoire is retrieved, does asta get a 2nd grimoire and get dark light magic for massive power up?
 
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updated theory based on latest chapters - new material have been underlined while striked material were eliminated by new facts.

there has been several key facts revealed in the last few chapters:
  1. yuno's necklace, dropped off with yuno (licht's son's soul) and asta (???), has a key magic stone critical to the elf race, brought back the Devil's body instead of completing the reincarnation of the elves
  2. cloned bodies and the ability to reincarnate elves into them
  3. elf god
  4. gate to hell
  5. ancient elf-human agreement to control the gate to hell
  6. the Devil, who lost its body probably during the battle with the first magic emperor (and licht?), played the elves and the humans like a drum
first, yuno's necklace means someone knew the importance of the magic stones and the elf massacre. patri was not even awaken when asta and yuno were delivered to the church. so who could it be?
  1. someone or group that had the knowledge of the past and that patri reincarnated without even patri being fully awaken. seems unlikely. furthermore, why entrust such important assets to kids growing up in church?
  2. someone who could see the past and future (though limited) - the primary candidate would be someone with time magic...
  3. someone who came back from the future to prevent the impending elf-demon disaster - the primary candidate would obviously be someone with time magic...
so the likely person would be julius. though he seem to have only limited knowledge, but he did seem to know a lot more than he was telling. killing patri/william would be simple, but perhaps he did not want to kill patri/william but wanted to revive the elves because he needed their help to fight the demons?

perhaps elf god was the elf making a deal with the devil since the elves knew they were open the gates to hell?

perhaps
The devil/demons tricked a jealous patri (the vessel) to take revenge on the humans deceived to somehow kill the elf village with but gave them the power for reincarnation to gain a physical body and open the gates of hell?

i would not be surprised the ending to the current arc will have the demons invade and beaten back but patri possessed by a demon become a dark elf and brought back, released by Asta's sword and brought back to life again...
 

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updated theory based on latest chapters - new material have been underlined while striked material were eliminated by new facts.

there has been several key facts revealed in the last few chapters:
  1. yuno's necklace, dropped off with yuno (licht's son's soul) and asta (???), has a key magic stone critical to the elf race, brought back the Devil's body instead of completing the reincarnation of the elves
  2. cloned bodies and the ability to reincarnate elves into them
  3. elf god
  4. gate to hell
  5. ancient elf-human agreement to control the gate to hell
  6. the Devil, who lost its body probably during the battle with the first magic emperor (and licht?), played the elves and the humans like a drum
first, yuno's necklace means someone knew the importance of the magic stones and the elf massacre. patri was not even awaken when asta and yuno were delivered to the church. so who could it be?
  1. someone or group that had the knowledge of the past and that patri reincarnated without even patri being fully awaken. seems unlikely. furthermore, why entrust such important assets to kids growing up in church?
  2. someone who could see the past and future (though limited) - the primary candidate would be someone with time magic...
  3. someone who came back from the future to prevent the impending elf-demon disaster - the primary candidate would obviously be someone with time magic...
so the likely person would be julius. though he seem to have only limited knowledge, but he did seem to know a lot more than he was telling. killing patri/william would be simple, but perhaps he did not want to kill patri/william but wanted to revive the elves because he needed their help to fight the demons?

perhaps elf god was the elf making a deal with the devil since the elves knew they were open the gates to hell?

perhaps
The devil/demons tricked a jealous patri (the vessel) to take revenge on the humans deceived to somehow kill the elf village with but gave them the power for reincarnation to gain a physical body and open the gates of hell?

i would not be surprised the ending to the current arc will have the demons already summoned invade and beaten back but patri possessed by a demon become a dark elf and brought back, released by Asta's sword and brought back to life by Rades...
 
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