Adori vs Luslec

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He absolutely couldn't. He tried to erase all proof of V/Arlene's existence but he couldn't erase FUG, so he just painted them with a dark brush and declared them a criminal organization to discredit them. If Jahad and the Family Heads really could completely eradicate FUG they would, that's what they do. Entire species were eradicated by them, entire populations destroyed, people cursed to never reproduce etc. That is what they do, they will do anything and everything to destroy their enemies, but FUG is still there, they're not as easily destroyed as you all would want to make it look for various reasons.

1. They're like a religion, you can't 100% stamp it out. At best you'll just have people at face value pretend that they're not part of it, but they are.
2. Luslec himself. Now I'm not suggesting that Luslec can fight/win against a Family Head, but he is definitely more than powerful enough to dispatch anyone else they send after him, and that might just include Adori too. If they fight, neither of them will walk out unscathed.
Wait, isn't the main reason why Luslec hasn't been killed because he's hiding too well?
Urek "complimented" Luslec on being very good at hiding.(Ss3 ep 181)
 

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Well more. He got to fight him without being injured himself. He got to make Urek bleed, something suggested by Urek himself hasn't happened in a long time. And no, I'm not including that little scratch from Bam, I'm talking about actually bleeding!

Factually wrong, Baam actually hurt Urek for real. The wound he gave him stayed with him until he left that floor sometime later and even after that so who knows how long it took to heal, definitely took hours but maybes days too or weeks?


Meanwhile everything that occurred in the fight with Luslec vanished one panel after, there's not even scratches on Urek nor blood flowing all over his body, even around the battlefield, and SIU isn't afraid to draw anyone looking bloody, prime example being Baam which therefore confirms to us that all we saw was a visual exaggeration.

Like a character losing 20 tons of blood in one panel just to be shown looking perfectly fine the next, maybe a bruise somewhere?


But nah, no blood around no scratch no nothing, Urek was shown perfectly unharmed compared to Baams power.



He absolutely couldn't. He tried to erase all proof of V/Arlene's existence but he couldn't erase FUG, so he just painted them with a dark brush and declared them a criminal organization to discredit them. If Jahad and the Family Heads really could completely eradicate FUG they would, that's what they do. Entire species were eradicated by them, entire populations destroyed, people cursed to never reproduce etc. That is what they do, they will do anything and everything to destroy their enemies, but FUG is still there, they're not as easily destroyed as you all would want to make it look for various reasons.

1. They're like a religion, you can't 100% stamp it out. At best you'll just have people at face value pretend that they're not part of it, but they are.
2. Luslec himself. Now I'm not suggesting that Luslec can fight/win against a Family Head, but he is definitely more than powerful enough to dispatch anyone else they send after him, and that might just include Adori too. If they fight, neither of them will walk out unscathed.

No, the only thing he erased were traces of V's existence and FUG bears none if it.

The only person who remembers or knows V is Luslec and yeah, according to what we've seen Luslec was pure fodder to a random snake creature so it's not like they couldn't erase his ass, nobody simply bothered to at all during that time.

Now Arlene naturally faded out into oblivion after V committed suicide and she went to live under the radar for some time on the lower floors and then went outside the tower to drop Baam before she herself died quietly somehow.


So taking Zahards attempt in being unbothered ro erase FUG as proof he doesn't have the power to is fucking wild.
 

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Who have you got winning bro?
Luslec :)
And I disagree with general "crap" flashback style, it was quite slick. Easy to cosplay, too, the hardest part is purple lenses. I would have done this had I not have a moustache. Current style is far cry, and even more far cry is dark charge style.
About FUG, I dont think they are simple FUGitives, especially after the Urek's statement that he stole an injection liquid to separate Red Thryssa from Hell Joe. By the way, if this is not a translation thing, stealing, not capturing, is another curious thing about this altogether.
 

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Wait, isn't the main reason why Luslec hasn't been killed because he's hiding too well?
Urek "complimented" Luslec on being very good at hiding.(Ss3 ep 181)
Oh? The "great" King can't see everything after all. A "mere" tower born was able to hide from his "all seeing" eyes?


Urek "complimented" Luslec on being very good at hiding.(Ss3 ep 181)
"I wasn't really hiding" - Luslec Ss3 ep 181
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Factually wrong, Baam actually hurt Urek for real. The wound he gave him stayed with him until he left that floor sometime later and even after that so who knows how long it took to heal, definitely took hours but maybes days too or weeks?


Meanwhile everything that occurred in the fight with Luslec vanished one panel after, there's not even scratches on Urek nor blood flowing all over his body, even around the battlefield, and SIU isn't afraid to draw anyone looking bloody, prime example being Baam which therefore confirms to us that all we saw was a visual exaggeration.

Like a character losing 20 tons of blood in one panel just to be shown looking perfectly fine the next, maybe a bruise somewhere?


But nah, no blood around no scratch no nothing, Urek was shown perfectly unharmed compared to Baams power.
what are you on about "factually wrong". I never denied Bam scratched Urek at all. I simply stated it wasn't that bad. Siu putting more attention to detail to leave the scratch there is irrelevant. Doesn't mean anything.

Urek actively using shinsu to heal himself up where as he didn't do it for a scratch he didn't even know he had... means nothing. In fact, it's a plus for Luslec if anything, Urek really felt it.

As for his ability to heal himself quickly in the fight, good on him. Luslec didn't get a single scratch on him.



No, the only thing he erased were traces of V's existence and FUG bears none if it.

The only person who remembers or knows V is Luslec and yeah, according to what we've seen Luslec was pure fodder to a random snake creature so it's not like they couldn't erase his ass, nobody simply bothered to at all during that time.

Now Arlene naturally faded out into oblivion after V committed suicide and she went to live under the radar for some time on the lower floors and then went outside the tower to drop Baam before she herself died quietly somehow.


So taking Zahards attempt in being unbothered ro erase FUG as proof he doesn't have the power to is fucking wild.
It doesn't matter if FUG spreads the "legend" of V or not. Fact remains that V and Arlene was an obstacle that Jahad wanted to write out of history completely, even going so far as to alter the "memory" of artificial creations to exclude those 2 from the tower's history. They went to great lengths, but they couldn't do it about the only organization that still has information about both those individuals. Now whether Luslec goes and tells everyone about his master or not is completely irrelevant.

FUG couldn't be destroyed, they could only be made into something more "sinister" trhough propaganda from the Empire, that's all.
 

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"I wasn't really hiding" - Luslec Ss3 ep 181
He said he wasn't really trying to hide. But in reality, he was still hiding and waiting for the right time to come out.
Urek also said it was almost impossible to find him. Do you think Urek was lying?
Zahard wouldn't be the type to waste his time looking for Luslec.
If even V was afraid that Zahard would find out, then would Luslec be more courageous than his warlord?
 

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He said he wasn't really trying to hide. But in reality, he was still hiding and waiting for the right time to come out.
Urek also said it was almost impossible to find him. Do you think Urek was lying?
Zahard wouldn't be the type to waste his time looking for Luslec.
If even V was afraid that Zahard would find out, then would Luslec be more courageous than his warlord?
Luslec is so famous for being reckless.
 

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what are you on about "factually wrong". I never denied Bam scratched Urek at all. I simply stated it wasn't that bad. Siu putting more attention to detail to leave the scratch there is irrelevant. Doesn't mean anything.

Urek actively using shinsu to heal himself up where as he didn't do it for a scratch he didn't even know he had... means nothing. In fact, it's a plus for Luslec if anything, Urek really felt it.

As for his ability to heal himself quickly in the fight, good on him. Luslec didn't get a single scratch on him.
Since when did Urek turn into a super regenerative or immortal monster like a family head or even the super hard to kill Karaka?


And would so called regeneration erase the blood that's supposed to be spilled around his body considering the amount we saw let alone the battlefield of which we see not one speck?


Unless Urek can superheat his blood to evaporate instantly of which i doubt, that scene remains a visual exaggeration and not supposed to hold any physical weight compared to what Baam actually used to hurt Urek with.



It doesn't matter if FUG spreads the "legend" of V or not. Fact remains that V and Arlene was an obstacle that Jahad wanted to write out of history completely, even going so far as to alter the "memory" of artificial creations to exclude those 2 from the tower's history. They went to great lengths, but they couldn't do it about the only organization that still has information about both those individuals. Now whether Luslec goes and tells everyone about his master or not is completely irrelevant.

FUG couldn't be destroyed, they could only be made into something more "sinister" trhough propaganda from the Empire, that's all.

Went to great lengths, dude all he did was erase V from history, Arlene has nothing mentioning her being hunted down or a target to be erased by Zahard.

She herself naturally faded to oblivion by her own actions, everyone who knew her is dead bar Luslec and Garam and also Gustang which is a given.

Now for Garam there is actual proof she couldn't be hunted down for her dangerous knowledge cause she had the backing of a family head aka Gustang and was hidden in a floor extremely difficult to access.


There was zero efforts made to erase or destroy FUG, the fact that they kept Luslec alive is proof of this entirely.
 

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Since when did Urek turn into a super regenerative or immortal monster like a family head or even the super hard to kill Karaka?


And would so called regeneration erase the blood that's supposed to be spilled around his body considering the amount we saw let alone the battlefield of which we see not one speck?


Unless Urek can superheat his blood to evaporate instantly of which i doubt, that scene remains a visual exaggeration and not supposed to hold any physical weight compared to what Baam actually used to hurt Urek with.






Went to great lengths, dude all he did was erase V from history, Arlene has nothing mentioning her being hunted down or a target to be erased by Zahard.

She herself naturally faded to oblivion by her own actions, everyone who knew her is dead bar Luslec and Garam and also Gustang which is a given.

Now for Garam there is actual proof she couldn't be hunted down for her dangerous knowledge cause she had the backing of a family head aka Gustang and was hidden in a floor extremely difficult to access.


There was zero efforts made to erase or destroy FUG, the fact that they kept Luslec alive is proof of this entirely.
Luslec was not kept being alive. This is just conjecturing.

I partially agree with the Baam part, though. In both Urek and Kallavan cases, Baam was considered so special to make a lasting remark. Dumbs like Urek generally have a rough and regenerative bodies in mangas, so in vs Luslec some blood were definitely shed, not much though, while in Baam vs. Urek, Urek's usual automatic healing did not heal the wound easily. As a result, I would love to see Vaam's floral butterfly on Urek :)
 

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Luslec was not kept being alive. This is just conjecturing.

Hmm, but it makes sense? I mean, we saw Luslec in the flashback, he's weak as hell.

Heck, a random snake monster could do him in, there was no hunt for Luslec during the past which could only means he was being kept alive.



I partially agree with the Baam part, though. In both Urek and Kallavan cases, Baam was considered so special to make a lasting remark. Dumbs like Urek generally have a rough and regenerative bodies in mangas, so in vs Luslec some blood were definitely shed, not much though, while in Baam vs. Urek, Urek's usual automatic healing did not heal the wound easily. As a result, I would love to see Vaam's floral butterfly on Urek
If we say Urek has better regeneration than an average human, yeah that much is for sure, every towerborn capable of using shinsoo has it like that.

But regeneration specifically as a great stat isn't tied to him, that belongs to the FH's and things like Karaka who are noted too hard to kill cause of their weird bodies.

Urek is a physical monster, but regenerative monster? Nah, that isn't tied to him.

That's why actually hurting him if you can is meant to hold weight, aka whatever weird power Baam used on him at the time that made the wound stick for a while.

But that's where the weird Luslec page comes in, there's absolutely zero, and i mean zero blood on or around Urek and we know damn well SIU isn't averse to showing blood like at all.

The next panel it's all gone, literally!




And by floral butterfly, you mean the weird internal attack Baam used on Kallavan right?


Hm, yeah that would definitely be interesting to see how it interacts with Ureks body.
 

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Luslec is so famous for being reckless.
FUG guys are all reckless. Their strength is not as good as anyone else's, but their target is Zahard and 10 FHs.
To me, Yama is the most reckless one here, at least Luslec still ran away from the battle. :twitch
 

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Hmm, but it makes sense? I mean, we saw Luslec in the flashback, he's weak as hell.

Heck, a random snake monster could do him in, there was no hunt for Luslec during the past which could only means he was being kept alive.
We just see a very little flashback and nothing else, man. If things were always like that back then, it makes sense, we just don't know if it was so. In that chapter, Traumerei was prepared for Luslec, but another intruder after these events just waltzed in and escaped later after seeing Traumerei's collection. It was not a place that they did not care who entered and who left, it was sort of a hidden/sinister thing. I know Luslec thing was disaster for them there but FHs or GWs were not omniscient and invincible.

The FUG, especially Luslec has a power that can impact things in the lore. We'll see how much, and how much it has been, maybe with more flashbacks of hoodie Luslec.
 

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Adori will be stronger but by feats, Luslec looks better right now. Dude can stop Urek for abit whenever he wishes with the same technique again and again. He can register as a threat in the irregulars’ bouts. Adori will need to show feats like that soon, hopefully from being confronted by Gustang.
 

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I never heard that a FH had to move if Adori moved. I am sorry, but that privilege is reserved only for Luslec. He wins. He may lose a limb and a leg, but he wins. Luslec feats are, for me, much better in the series than adori slicing PB mothership.
 
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