Shounen Air Gear by Oh! Great

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Re: Air Gear: Hangout

personally, I find all mangas by Oh!G to be confusing by nature (not by design), but that's part of his charm :)
 

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Re: Air Gear: Hangout

Well...
Uploaded releases are disabled for this Manga due to (current) licensing issues. MangaHelpers administration are aware of this and are following up on the issue with relevant parties.
Will this kill Air Gear? It's popularity has been steadily growing along with it's exposure here. Will the 'licensing issues' cause Manga Editors to back away from this project? And how comes Naruto et al never have such licensing issues?
 

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Kodansha is planning to expand internationally. If you followed the news of the past month: they have already cut all ties to Tokyopop worldwide, letting all their manga released by Tokyopop suddenly stop. Shueisha seems to not care that much (for now).

But that discussion doesn't belong here. If you feel like debating it, please create a thread in Otaku Cafe :)
 

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Thanks, really haven't been taking note of any of this. It's really sad when things like this happen because they really are closed minded. I'm not a big fan of moves like this. Especially when there's someone like me that much prefers to purchase raw's anyway.
 

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After the 3 week absent AG return whit color pages. It had color pages beside the 1st chapter?
What can do OG! in tree weeks? I think it will be a something big.
 

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Colour pages will be exciting if he actually uses them properly. Last time he only done the cover in colour (chapter 200). Let's wait and see.
 

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oyos

so i'm just gonna comment on some off-topic stuff on the recent disc/pred thread...

- wing or wind road? ...it started out as wing road with a wind king. sleipnir's calling of the wing road as wind road is either a mistake on o!g's part or sleipnir just prefers to call it the wind road because they don't really know any better.

- name spellings... romanized japanese is limited and can go either way as to which word its supposed to be saying. without an actual roman alphabet spelling, translators are free to pick a spelling they feel is most appropriate for the story (and i'm talking about the official translators of non-japanese manga distribution). they don't get it right all the time... and when it comes to the point in which the mangaka miraculously decides to give an english(roman alphabet) spelling, the translator and/or editor make a choice as to whether they will change the spelling to match or to keep what they have been using thus far to maintain some level of continuity.
in air gear for example, aeon was originally thought to be called 'iron'. when his name spelling was revealed, most fans switched over since aeon's appearances in the manga was kinda limited and it was still earlier in the story. i'm not sure what the official english translation went with so i can't comment further on aeon. another example is kiric. most fans still go with kilik because its already so late into the series and to change now would be too confusing (yes, his name spelling was revealed in the inorganic net battle when he did a combo attack with sora called 'crystal sand wind'). the official english translator may choose to keep calling kiric as kilik and will edit that page appropriately to maintain continuity of the english edition. on another example from ah! megami-sama, there is a character named welsper (belldandy's doublet partner. fujishima had chosen the spelling with a 'w') but the english translation chose to spell his name 'velsper' since its supposed to have a german pronounciation so to ensure that readers don't get it mixed up (who are not familiar with german; the japanese pronounciation has the 'be/ve' kana), it was spelled with a 'v' on his name.
in a nutshell, as my japanese professor said, "there is no single right way to translate something from japanese" ...though there is a wrong way (by getting the translation/meaning completely wrong). he's done official translating of classical texts before so he has real experience. the most crucial point in translating is getting the intent/meaning down. whether they do it more literally or more liberally is up to each translator, but maintaining the meaning that's trying to be conveyed is key.

- kaji being crazy haze/head wrapped sf member? ...i don't think so. kaji was part of genesis, attacked by sf (gabi)... chances of him switching sides are slim. also, kaji would be all over gabi's case about ripping his face off if he was in fact crazy haze, but he seems to be nonchalant towards everyone.
 

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Re: Air Gear: Hangout

Ringo's is a sub-regalia? o.o;; Don't really remember.
 

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She originally had a normal/real regalia, but it got destroyed in the fight against Ikki. Some people believe her new regalia is a sub. I'm not totally sure, for I'm sure they salvaged the core and while her regalia was redesigned, wasn't the Bagram also?
 

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Re: Air Gear: Hangout

Eh, I was asking if the team Thunder Haze (the one above Sleipnr and left of Lionheart in the GST team introduction spread) could be Crazy Mask (the team that 'Crazy Mask Kaji' led), but reformed, since:

-The masks they wear look like his;
-Kaji rides on Rising Road, and Thunder Haze.

Kaji probably isn't a Gravity Child, and subsequently would not be on Sleeping Forest.
oyos

whoops, i forgot about the other teams and didn't know you were referring to that instead. so disregard my comment on kaji.

Come to think of it, Sleipnir could simply ride on a variant called the Wind Road and use that terminology in regards to similar riders freely. Since there is no Rubi characters, it's not a definitive term.

I was simply curious since the Japanese Wiki article mentions that 'Wing' seems to have been phased out in favour of 'Wind' as of late. Ya, I go by that whenever in doubt, since their info is so detailed.
hmm, i never really go through japanese sites of any sort so i didn't know about this trend. sometimes its hard for even us to keep track since wing and wind are very similar in spelling and referring to pretty much the same thing in regards to ag. its an understandable phasing... for continuity's sake, i would personally stick with 'wing road' though at this point you could go either way since we know that its still about the same thing. its just picking at the little details on this...

On the romanization issue, I was really looking for a consensus. Personally, I would prefer Lind, Kiric, Eon Clock, Dauntless etc... (i.e. Author's transliteration with correction for Engrish, or whatever makes most sense).
there is no concensus... especially if you start considering other languages outside of english. its fan interpretation and usually whatever their preferred Manga Editor's spelling choice. some names are easier to agree on over others... from what i know on my ag community lurking, people are going with 'lind,' 'kilik,' 'aeon clock,' and 'dontores'.


Oh, may as well check: Is the Brain Charger eye called 'Over-Cross Twinkle eye'? I can't reference it, but I remember it's roughly something like that.
yes, the brain charger's eye is fully called 'over-cross twinkle eye' as stated by agito when facing thor and he confirms that sleipnir are brain chargers as well.

One more thing: The Japanese wiki gives the original Thorn Regalia as 荊の玉璽, while Ringo's is 棘の玉璽. Any comment on that issue?
荊 = thorn, brier. this definition is leaning towards more on the floral/metaphoric side or as a small part of something more.

棘 = thorn, splinter. this is more specifically about the thorn itself

its not really confirmed as to whether ringo ever had the original regalia from rika. in the flashback, when rika arrives after the fact of the sf split, she is shown to be injured and without any a-ts. the changing in kanji is not wholly significant since some of the meaning is still the same. probably the kanji change was to signify the different emphasis in capabilities that the new thorn regalia can do. it could also be kanon's preference in name.
 

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Re: Air Gear: Hangout

Just to interject, Aeon Clock was romanized on one of the chapter covers, so wouldn't be Eon under any circumstances as supported by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeon. I've seen very few official translations ever go the way of US variants.
 

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Re: Air Gear: Hangout

My bad, as I wiki'd Eon to see that it's the American variant of Aeon.

As for the top bubble, what's the proper translation?
 

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Re: Air Gear: Hangout

there was a chapter where Aeon Clock is called Iron Clock is that a official or just a way of translating it?
 

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Re: Air Gear: Hangout

It was a mistake on the translators part.
 

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Re: Air Gear: Hangout

Eh, I made a typo.

Anyway, I've sourced the regalia name.


The one on the top is from 154 where Kiric and Sora are discussing Rika's recruitment. The other is from the explanation of Sonia from the end of volume 16.
oyos

the top pic with sora and kiric talking... that happened to be a chapter i translated when i was part of kuu. i pulled out my script for that piece.

5: When we left the tower, the stream of general riders were like gazelles wearing A-T...
/Before we knew it, things like "Thorn Regalia" and "Proof of a King" as they have come to be called, are common knowledge

the other text with the thorn regalia description i don't have, though looking at how 'sonia' road is spelled with kanji again, both thorn variants are present in 'sonia'.
 

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Re: Air Gear: Hangout

apparently they are(rising road)

they were supposed to be a team under black crow, guess they decided to take part on their own
 

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Re: Air Gear: Hangout

there was a mention of it in an extra table at the end of volume 13 or 14 i think?
 

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oyos

i just remembered this little piece back in the disc/pred thread:

Interesting you should mention that; it's how the Gem regalia activates. Usually the core is stuck in the front, but a swivel arm rotates it parallel to the back wheel when deploying.
the gem regalia was in fact different for kiric and nike. it changed designs right in the middle of the inorganic net battle which was confusing and a total failure on o!g's part for continuity.

kiric's:
http://www.onemanga.com/Air_Gear/154/16/
its not fully shown being released, but the core is in his shoe's heel.

http://www.onemanga.com/Air_Gear/155/02/
its hard to see, but you can see his a-t design here.

http://www.onemanga.com/Air_Gear/155/04/
he's using his infinite atmosphere trick here, so chances of him using his regalia is high.

nike's:
http://www.onemanga.com/Air_Gear/160/017/
the core rests on top of front of his a-ts, and swivels down and to the side near the front when he activates them.

kiric's a-ts changing during the inorganic net battle:
http://www.onemanga.com/Air_Gear/214/08/
here we see kiric's a-ts with no wheel on top, being activated and still being on the back heel spot. the regalia in the back moves to the side but still its in the back... like the shell/outer part unravels to the side.

http://www.onemanga.com/Air_Gear/218/18-19/
four chapters later, we have kiric's a-ts go through some miraculous overhaul. the cross design of the shoe is gone, and the regalia is now situated on top like nike's.

hence, i say o!g failed in this small aspect. i do remember there was a week or two break somewhere between chapter 214 and 218... which worries me since he's doing a month break right now. so many things he could unintentionally change because he doesn't take the time to review his own work to maintain some level of continuity.
 

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Re: Air Gear: Hangout

oyos

even if the arm of the gem regalia swivels back, where does the third wheel go then?

if you look at kiric's a-t from behind, you see a bare axel with the regalia on the side when its activated. the third wheel doesn't fuse with the one in the back. kiric's a-ts were originally 2 wheels, where the back ones transform when activated. the inorganic net battle shows two different designs for kiric. the beginning where he's jumping off dontores' arm, you would still see the swivel arm if it was deployed... but there wasn't any, meaning that it wasn't there to begin with. then ther's the whole shoe pattern itself, at the start, the shoe laces stopped earlier and you see a neat cross design at the front and top, then it's not present when the a-ts' design changes.
 

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oyos

nike's design uses roller ball wheels (like aeon has been using thus far) in the front part of the a-ts with the regular wheels in the heel, and the regalia on top in front.

on the stoptazmo forums, it was a big deal with kiric's regalia design changing. our complaints were mostly because we thought it was lame that the a-t designs were mirroring the current king designs (like black burn and nue). it was more interesting for us to see a different use of the same regalia (even if some tricks are similar) instead of seeing a rehash which consequently knocked down the old sf skill levels since it seems the current kings using the same regalia appear to be better (in other words, the 'legendary team' doesn't seem so legendary anymore).

at least dontores and yoshitsune had very different designs which is cool in itself when comparing the two. if yoshi wasn't such a genius thinker, i wonder which of the two would be better given the designs.

this also brings up rika's thorn regalia design since we never really see her's uncoil like ringo's did. at best we only see thorn imagery when rika is busting out her moves.
 
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