Fantasy All 4 Yonko's Vs World Government

Yonkos vs WG

  • Yonko

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Who would win?

This fight is not like the marineford war were only marines fought. In this everyone will fight related to world government. Includes Shichibukai.

Yonko: the current ones up to date chapter 788


Edit:The marines who gathered in the marineford arc was not all of them. There are many others who were not present.

After the war only one Admiral was injured and he was still capable of fighting crocodile, Ivankov and all the commanders.

Admiral levels in marines: Akainu, Kizaru, Fujitora, Ryogukyu, Garp, Sengoku, and Kong.
WG: cp0, cp9 and Gorosei. I believe the gorosei are Admiral strength because they are at the top.

Another EDIT: All Yonko's are in perfect HARMONY; so all are very good friends. Hence, they work together.

Another thing everyone should take into account is that WB was a brilliant strategist just like Sengoku. We don't know how good the other Yonko's are.

Like Sanji said: Sometimes brute force isn't enough *taps his head*
 
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Who would win?

This fight is not like the marineford war were only marines fought. In this everyone will fight related to world government. Includes Shichibukai.

Yonko: the current ones up to date chapter 788
WG ofcause, the world government has organisations like CP-0, CP-9, SHichibukai, Marines, etc working for them, they could easily crush the yonkou if they wanted to.

Whitebeard couldn't even do a thing against the marines and shichibukai no way with all WG at full power could anyone fight them and win
 

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Clearly the Yonkou...

The only way I see WG having an edge is by expanding the shichibukais to include more, or having control of the ancient weapons. With the timeline till date, we know that WG do not possess those weapons..

Again, the main issue would be to unite the Yonkou. All of them think they are a step away from becoming Pirate Kings potentially or see each otehr as rivals tot hat title. That would never allow them to unite.

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WG ofcause, the world government has organisations like CP-0, CP-9, SHichibukai, Marines, etc working for them, they could easily crush the yonkou if they wanted to.

Whitebeard couldn't even do a thing against the marines and shichibukai no way with all WG at full power could anyone fight them and win

Whitebeard severely dented them, and that too after Spyder's betrayal and a few other tricks. The minute Shanks showed up, they accepted a truce and stopped.

WG with CP group, shichibukais, and the whole army wouldnt be able to sustain a united pirate army unless they have another Ace up their sleeve. The weapons could be a game changer, in that case.
 

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I'd say the yonko. How can the world government stand a chance? We saw the great war and... clearly the world government is short of the might of 4 yonko. During the great war the world government called most of its military assets which included most of its elite marines, the pacifista and the shichibukai. And it was basically matched by WB's crew and its allies. Assuming the world government with the forces we know has to fight the 4 yonko... Its pretty bad for the marines. Just the 4 yonko would put the admirals at a disadvantage as it is. Each crew probably has a couple of members that can at least hold back admirals. Then the main crewmembers all of whom should be admiral or vice admiral class fighters who should be able to at least outnumber the VAs and shichibukai. The marines weren't sure they could even win against WB, how can they win against the 4 yonko? The marines are individually more powerful than any yonko but clearly they are not stronger than all 4 of them.
 

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Yonko for me too, or they could destroy each other and the RA would claim the prize for themselves.
 

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Unfortunately, I'd have to say the "World Government". The fact is, they are more focused, determined, disciplined and well-organized globally, plus there also more than prepared to deal with the 4 Yonkou.

And 4 Yonkou and their crews all by themselves against an entire global organization is unfair to begin with. You need to include affiliations that the Yonkou may have with other pirates as well as pirate crews in general.


p.s., What about adding "The Revolutionary Army" into this epic battle. I'm pretty sure, their stance would be felt on both sides too. :super
 

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WG ofcause, the world government has organisations like CP-0, CP-9, SHichibukai, Marines, etc working for them, they could easily crush the yonkou if they wanted to.

Whitebeard couldn't even do a thing against the marines and shichibukai no way with all WG at full power could anyone fight them and win
Seriously? The World Government even need to gather all of their major power just to hold off one Yonkou and you think that they can win against Four of them at the same time? Seriously?!

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Unfortunately, I'd have to say the "World Government". The fact is, they are more focused, determined, disciplined and well-organized globally, plus there also more than prepared to deal with the 4 Yonkou.

And 4 Yonkou and their crews all by themselves against an entire global organization is unfair to begin with. You need to include affiliations that the Yonkou may have with other pirates as well as pirate crews in general.


p.s., What about adding "The Revolutionary Army" into this epic battle. I'm pretty sure, their stance would be felt on both sides too. :super
I would say that the RA is more dangerous threat to WG compared to the Yonkou since they practice spying and placing and rising their members to power inside the WG while the WG is almost oblivious onto all of the RA's activities.
 

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Yonkou, no doubt. Might be close, but Whitebeard alone was able to dent the World Government (even if only because of Luffy and his team). Four Yonkou, one who managed to stop the war and another who has incredible feats, might be enough, honestly.
 

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Well , normally , a government has Army and navy , I'm sure in this kind of war , WG will use its own army as well ....

they can't control Grand line and new world just because the nature of these lands ...

WG has to show its full power ....
 

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Clearly Whitebeard severely dented them, and that too after Spyder's betrayal and a few other tricks. The minute Shanks showed up, they accepted a truce and stopped.
WG with CP group, shichibukais, and the whole army wouldnt be able to sustain a united pirate army unless they have another Ace up their sleeve. The weapons could be a game changer, in that case.
dude the WG has 172 countries under them, and each one of those has an army, an in some armies there are people like Fujitora, Greenbull and to an extant people like Kyrous, do you seriously think anyone can win against that?
the WG is even controlling the balance of power as they see fit, the yonkou can only oppose the marines but not the WG

Seriously? The World Government even need to gather all of their major power just to hold off one Yonkou and you think that they can win against Four of them at the same time? Seriously?!.
it wasn't the WG it was the marines that fought Whitebeard with he help of the Shichibukai, and WB pirates didn't do anything to them except destroy some buildings and kill some random fodder, other than that WB and his kids didn't do a thing to the marines
 

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I'd go with Yonko because they're all divided and don't work together. I'm expecting the WG to create Sea-stone Pacifista which would give them one heck of an advantage if it were possible.
 

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The Revolution Army would win.

In a fight Yonkos vs. World Government both of them would only lose because there would be nothing to fight for. Their fight would be like the last 5 minutes of the Marineford War, everyone fights to kill and not to achieve something. After the fight is over the world would be unstable, the Yonko territories would be without protection and every low class pirate could take them over, just like what happened with Whitebears territories. There would also be no safety from the side of the government, most of their forces would be wiped out in the war against the Yonkos and low class pirates would have it even easier to go on their tours of plunder and murder. Both sides would lose way too much of their powers and the Revolution Army would still be there in its full strength.

But if we talk only about which side can kill more people in a war then i would have to say the World Government. In contrast to the Yonkos the World Government fights together, something that would never happen with the Yonkos especially between Shanks and Blackbeard. No common enemy could exist to make these 2 fight together against it and so the war would be not a side (Yonkos) vs. another side (World Government).
It would be World Government vs. Shanks vs. Blackbeard vs. Kaido vs. Big Mom.
 

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I'd go with Yonko because they're all divided and don't work together. I'm expecting the WG to create Sea-stone Pacifista which would give them one heck of an advantage if it were possible.
You would go for Yonko because they are all divided and don't work together? THAT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE!!! Shouldn't it be the other way around?
 

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dude the WG has 172 countries under them, and each one of those has an army, an in some armies there are people like Fujitora, Greenbull and to an extant people like Kyrous, do you seriously think anyone can win against that?
the WG is even controlling the balance of power as they see fit, the yonkou can only oppose the marines but not the WG



it wasn't the WG it was the marines that fought Whitebeard with he help of the Shichibukai, and WB pirates didn't do anything to them except destroy some buildings and kill some random fodder, other than that WB and his kids didn't do a thing to the marines
The vast majority of the army would be useless though as it would be mostly comprised of normal people. Sure, you have your super powerful people but they are the least significant percentage of the population. The full might of the world government is probably just a tad more than what we saw during the great war (we know not all VAs were there). Also, I am not sure if the individual armies of each country would count and even if they do at large they wouldn't be useful. Not to mention that so far nation's military have shown to be utterly useless. Kyros is the only strong person we have seen from a nation's military. Any military we have seen before that has shown insanely weak people by the standards we see today. Even pell (I think that was the name of the guy with the bird fruit) wouldn't have been a fighting asset during the great war. His flying could be useful but his actual strength is by all intent and purposes non existent.

Also, I would argue that the marines are most definitely not in control of the balance of power. A new wind to the great pirating era, the yonko situation exarcerbating since the great war and the WG needing the shihcibukai at all and probbaly even more than ever before is the opposite of them being in control.
 

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The vast majority of the army would be useless though as it would be mostly comprised of normal people. Sure, you have your super powerful people but they are the least significant percentage of the population. The full might of the world government is probably just a tad more than what we saw during the great war (we know not all VAs were there). Also, I am not sure if the individual armies of each country would count and even if they do at large they wouldn't be useful. Not to mention that so far nation's military have shown to be utterly useless. Kyros is the only strong person we have seen from a nation's military. Any military we have seen before that has shown insanely weak people by the standards we see today. Even pell (I think that was the name of the guy with the bird fruit) wouldn't have been a fighting asset during the great war. His flying could be useful but his actual strength is by all intent and purposes non existent.

Also, I would argue that the marines are most definitely not in control of the balance of power. A new wind to the great pirating era, the yonko situation exarcerbating since the great war and the WG needing the shihcibukai at all and probbaly even more than ever before is the opposite of them being in control.
Kyros is just the first guy from the start of the NW, there are many other as strong and stronger in the NW in nations under the WG, the point is at best the yonkou would be 200 000 strong while the WG would be 1billion strong at least there is just no wining against that, sure majority would be useless but so would the majority of the pirates so it evens out, until we come to the point that the WG just has more people stronger, Shanks has about 10 top fighters, Teach about 10, Big mom and Kaido probably about the same and out of that 40 most are VA level, while the WG has much more stronger people, not to forget unknowns like Fujitora and Greenbull, it is just to much for anyone that is why the RA are turning countries against the WG because they wouldn't win any other way

look at this for example :

Mihawk vs Shanks
Fujitora vs Kaido
Greenbull vs BB
Kizaru vs Bigmum

leaving out people like Akainu and Kong who a both admiral lvl who can make it 2 vs 1 scenario if one of their own is losing, do you see my point, the WG at full strength is way stronger.

not the marines but the WG, they pretty much control the world and who lives and who dies, they wanted Whitebeard dead and they used Ace to get to him, they don't see Shanks as a thread to them so they let him roam, but any time they would want any of them dead they can do so
 

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You would go for Yonko because they are all divided and don't work together? THAT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE!!! Shouldn't it be the other way around?
The Yonko individually are extremely powerful, just 1 of the 4 yonko more or less caused so much havoc during the war. If all 4 Yonko were together with the same goal in mind regardless of the faction each one served, they'd possibly have the advantage over the marines. It's hard to call, I'm sure the marines have a few more people who are Admiral level or higher.

We're still not sure about how powerful the Gorosei are individually, but I wouldn't be surpried if hey were stronger than the current Admirals. They call all the shots, but that doesn't necesarily mean they're power houses, but I would be more inclined to believe they are.
 

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The Yonko individually are extremely powerful, just 1 of the 4 yonko more or less caused so much havoc during the war. If all 4 Yonko were together with the same goal in mind regardless of the faction each one served, they'd possibly have the advantage over the marines. It's hard to call, I'm sure the marines have a few more people who are Admiral level or higher.

We're still not sure about how powerful the Gorosei are individually, but I wouldn't be surpried if hey were stronger than the current Admirals. They call all the shots, but that doesn't necesarily mean they're power houses, but I would be more inclined to believe they are.
When you say they caused so much havoc all I can say is that they did not cause that much of a havoc.

All the admirals were alive and kicking, but WB pirates lost WB and Ace and probably a lot more if it weren't for Shanks.

They did not fight Shanks not because they would get annihilated but because there was no reason to fight. Sengoku knows that a fight would be pointless, but if it was Akainu it would have continued from where it left off.

When sengoku said to garp that they won't go out of this war unharmed I thought they planned on fighting whitebeard (they thought that too), but they didn't. Garp fought Luffy and Sengoku fought BB.


About Gororsei, everyone at the top is always powerful (most of the time). It always made me wonder why those old guys are the top. They must have some kind of immortality thing.
 
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Kyros is just the first guy from the start of the NW, there are many other as strong and stronger in the NW in nations under the WG, the point is at best the yonkou would be 200 000 strong while the WG would be 1billion strong at least there is just no wining against that, sure majority would be useless but so would the majority of the pirates so it evens out, until we come to the point that the WG just has more people stronger, Shanks has about 10 top fighters, Teach about 10, Big mom and Kaido probably about the same and out of that 40 most are VA level, while the WG has much more stronger people, not to forget unknowns like Fujitora and Greenbull, it is just to much for anyone that is why the RA are turning countries against the WG because they wouldn't win any other way

look at this for example :

Mihawk vs Shanks
Fujitora vs Kaido
Greenbull vs BB
Kizaru vs Bigmum

leaving out people like Akainu and Kong who a both admiral lvl who can make it 2 vs 1 scenario if one of their own is losing, do you see my point, the WG at full strength is way stronger.

not the marines but the WG, they pretty much control the world and who lives and who dies, they wanted Whitebeard dead and they used Ace to get to him, they don't see Shanks as a thread to them so they let him roam, but any time they would want any of them dead they can do so
Kyros is just one case and even then he was the sole strong guy in the entire country. Dressrosa was originally a supposedly peaceful nation but still, considering they were at the NW it does not set a good precedent.

Its not the case at all that the majority of pirates would be useless. You are comparing pirates that at least have been sailing through the new world against military which normally just stays in a country. Sure, each crew has around 10 crewmembers who by all intents and purposes make up the main crew but that does not mean the rest of the people there are just normal folk. just look at shanks crew. Remember shank's delivery guy? Rockstar was a pirate with a 94 mil bounty before he joined shank's crew. Basically a guy with a bounty 6 mil below a supernova is a delivery boy in a yonko crew. So with each yonko you have the main crew which is made up by around 10 crewmembers whose strength is comparable to admirals and vice admirals and then you have the rest of the crew which is still made up of guys with significant bounties. And then even after that you have the allied crews of each yonko which is made up of pirates of varying strengths.

Remember the strawhats vs hody's crew? Each fishman by default is several times stronger than a regular human and even then the strawhats, who are not even remotely close to the strength of a yonko, had an easy time with them. Luffy took out 50000 people. The rest of the 50000 people were easily dealt with by the rest of the crew. Even nami, ussop and chopper were not phased by the numbers. According to oda shanks would have taken all 100000 fishmen with his haki to boot. Now, what would be the result of putting the sheer numbers you mention against the yonko? The yonko would take care of most of them through literally sheer willpower. Even against WB the WG only took its elite marines and even then a number of people were susceptible to luffy's haki.

Just throwing numbers out there would accomplish nothing. Gather the billion people you mention and they would probably be handled easily by the yonko's fodder members. Even pre time skip luffy could rampage through the great war defeating regular marines and his strength was by all intents and purposes negligible. The war would be decided by who has the most quality warriors, not simply who has the most warriors. And in this regard the yonko have the marines beat. To begin with nation independent armies are not a thing, they weren't even present during the previous war. So the situation would be more along the lines of this assuming the world government takes everything it has without leaving anything to protect the rest of the world:

Marines:
- Fleet commander
-3 admirals
- (15-20) Vice admirals
- Elite marines
-Militia
-pacifista
-7 shichibukai

That is pretty much what made up the WG's army at the great war. And within this you have to consider that by far the vast majority of the WGs power was concentrated within about 20 people. Basically the fleet commander, the 3 admirals, and the 15 or so vice admirals. Pacifista are strong but moderately strong people can one shot them (basically any Vice admiral and up). And then the shichibukai although they are too erratic to really be considered an asset. I mean, hancock was uncooperative, mihawk and doflamingo just did as they pleased, BB only showed up to do his thing....

And now you have the 4 yonko:

- 4 yonko
- about 40 relevant crewmembers for each crew (made up of people with Vice admiral and admiral level).
-Allied crews (with each having a relatively strong captain and perhaps competent crewmembers). WB had 43 of this IIRC. If the yonko now have something similar we are talking about 160 crews.
- Their regular members (however many rockstars they have between the yonko crews and allies)
-Militia

The WG could gather the billion people you mention and they would still be severely outnumbered by the sheer number of strong people on the other side.
 

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Why are you forgetting CP0 and gorosei? Gorosei are the guys who built the WG.
 

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Why are you forgetting CP0 and gorosei? Gorosei are the guys who built the WG.
We have no context on how strong CP0 are. Even if they are powerful they are independent from the marines. And the gorosei are a bunch of old guys.... One of them had a famous sword but that does not mean he is necessarily powerful. Age is ultimately a thing in this manga, I doubt they would make that big a difference. And even if all of them are powerful it does not make a difference, the sheer number of strong people with the yonko is significantly greater than the strong people on the other side. Adding 15 people does not really turn the tide in favor of the WG. You'd need more like 50 strong people just to kinda even things out a bit.
 
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