Fantasy Alvarez vs God Tiers

[Axiomus]

because we can classify it latter, if you are not interested fine. you had no problem easily calculating for erza that atleast laxus and jellal can do it. so why cant fuking million of soldiers and zeref do same. all fresh, and against weaker opponent than rot aconologia

no way in hell. there no reason talking to you if you are gonna act like this. erza can mid diff gajeel. if erza is only allowed to punch and block against dragon irene (just like giant gajeel fought) she wont last 2 seconds against dragon irene.
no no. thats your opinion. base strength of gajeel increased alot. base strength of dragon irene should increase proportionally. and her size too

not from what we have seen. if you dont wish to explore, its fine by me. i just think it was an interesting opportunity missed by mishma. springgans vs aconologia could have been awesome

Because I don't think Erza even with POF is above the combined might of Jellal and Laxus. Here all the dragon slayers had POF, plus Lucy literally linking up with every mage on the continent and sending all that to Natsu.

Millions of soldiers are literally fodder. Makarov with Fairy Law can wipe out 70% of the soldiers. Wolfen can literally make an army of Makarovs, along with a clone of Zeref. So how on earth is the army and Zeref supposed to make a difference?

You act like Gajeel had no magic when fighting Aldoron. This is false. He turned his skin into iron, and nobody would say that Gajeel didn't use magic when he headbutted Natsu here. So why wouldn't he have magic fighting Aldoron?

Spoiler

Gajeel gained greater physical strength because he gained mass. He's still has the same amount of MP. Since Aldoron and Gajeel were both roughly the same size, the difference in their potential strength largely comes down to how much they can boost with their MP. If Irene turns giant, she'll just be as strong as a dragon of that size with her amount of MP. Aldoron has Acnologia levels of MP, which is still superior to the combined might of the Alvarez Empire. Let me flip this around. Assuming all the god dragons are on the same level, and are at least on Igneel's level, then Aldoron would be able to bite off Acnologia's arm if he shrunk down to Irene's size. Irene's nowhere near this level in her size, so she wouldn't be Aldoron's equal when she goes giant.

Again, the amount of firepower required to take down a full powered Aldoron is ridiculous. Demolition Fist dealt 1 point of damage to Aldoron's 100,000,000 points of health. Even if you made Irene giant and gave her all the MP of the Spriggans, you're still going to need an attack that's 1 million of times stronger than Demolition Fist to deal just 1% damage to Aldoron's overall health. The only realistic way of doing this much damage is to try something like using Fairy Heart to spam etherion. It's no wonder Irene and August unanimously considered Fairy Heart as their best hope against Acnologia.

 

[sharkai]

Because I don't think Erza even with POF is above the combined might of Jellal and Laxus. Here all the dragon slayers had POF, plus Lucy literally linking up with every mage on the continent and sending all that to Natsu.

Millions of soldiers are literally fodder. Makarov with Fairy Law can wipe out 70% of the soldiers. Wolfen can literally make an army of Makarovs, along with a clone of Zeref. So how on earth is the army and Zeref supposed to make a difference?

You act like Gajeel had no magic when fighting Aldoron. This is false. He turned his skin into iron, and nobody would say that Gajeel didn't use magic when he headbutted Natsu here. So why wouldn't he have magic fighting Aldoron?

Spoiler

Gajeel gained greater physical strength because he gained mass. He's still has the same amount of MP. Since Aldoron and Gajeel were both roughly the same size, the difference in their potential strength largely comes down to how much they can boost with their MP. If Irene turns giant, she'll just be as strong as a dragon of that size with her amount of MP. Aldoron has Acnologia levels of MP, which is still superior to the combined might of the Alvarez Empire. Let me flip this around. Assuming all the god dragons are on the same level, and are at least on Igneel's level, then Aldoron would be able to bite off Acnologia's arm if he shrunk down to Irene's size. Irene's nowhere near this level in her size, so she wouldn't be Aldoron's equal when she goes giant.

Again, the amount of firepower required to take down a full powered Aldoron is ridiculous. Demolition Fist dealt 1 point of damage to Aldoron's 100,000,000 points of health. Even if you made Irene giant and gave her all the MP of the Spriggans, you're still going to need an attack that's 1 million of times stronger than Demolition Fist to deal just 1% damage to Aldoron's overall health. The only realistic way of doing this much damage is to try something like using Fairy Heart to spam etherion. It's no wonder Irene and August unanimously considered Fairy Heart as their best hope against Acnologia.

so
in 7 ds they are wendy and cobra who are basically fodders. sting and rougo arent even springgan tier. gajeel springgan tier natsu and laxus above average springgan tier
7 ds natsu would be alot alot weaker than all springgans power dragon irene.
doesnt matter what wolfen does, irene would have combined all there powers already. and this could compensate for all the pof 7ds could muster from those voices

as i said there is argument to be made here.

sorry. gajeel lasted against aldron for 3 minutes. if all he got is his iron skin, then he dies first second agaisnt dragon irene. we can actually scale aldron strenght to gajeel, because gajeel did hold his own. we can easily make a link between gajeel and erza and erza and irene. thus what would happen if aldron fought the same way against gaint human irene. gaint human irene shoud perform better. gaint dragon irene well that gonna be bad for that aldron

because firepower is bs, aldron didnt need 1 millionth of that on panel

 

[Axiomus]

so
in 7 ds they are wendy and cobra who are basically fodders. sting and rougo arent even springgan tier. gajeel springgan tier natsu and laxus above average springgan tier
7 ds natsu would be alot alot weaker than all springgans power dragon irene.
doesnt matter what wolfen does, irene would have combined all there powers already. and this could compensate for all the pof 7ds could muster from those voices

as i said there is argument to be made here.

sorry. gajeel lasted against aldron for 3 minutes. if all he got is his iron skin, then he dies first second agaisnt dragon irene. we can actually scale aldron strenght to gajeel, because gajeel did hold his own. we can easily make a link between gajeel and erza and erza and irene. thus what would happen if aldron fought the same way against gaint human irene. gaint human irene shoud perform better. gaint dragon irene well that gonna be bad for that aldron

because firepower is bs, aldron didnt need 1 millionth of that on panel

Wendy's strong enough to stop attacks from Irene. But sure. She and Rogue can be considered fodders. Sting and Rogue combined is stronger than Larcade. Gajeel is stronger than Bloodman. Laxus is much stronger than Wall and Ajeel. Natsu is stronger than Zeref. All of this is irrelevant because of the massive amount of POF involved. Again, Natsu had Lucy literally sending him power from everyone. If you believe that Erza was only as strong as she was against Irene because of POF, then I believe the same to be true of Natsu.

What argument is there to be had?

No, we can't scale Aldoron's strength to Gajeel. First of all, Aldoron was already nerfed when Gajeel fought him because all the seeds were down. At full power, Aldoron's attacks would have been faster than Gajeel could even perceive. More importantly, Gajeel got wrecked in that fight. If you saw an MMA or boxing match that ended in 1 round with one guy caving in the other guy's chest, would you say that they were evenly matched? That's basically what happened here.

Irene isn't killing Gajeel with one claw swipe. Gajeel with his iron skin has better durability than most other characters in the guild. His iron skin made him take less damage from Aldoron's thorns than Laxus took, and Laxus is around Erza's level in durability. Irene can maybe shatter Gajeel's bones, but that still doesn't kill.

It's not BS. It's canon. Aldoron had 100,000,000 points of health. Demolition Fist dealt 1 point of damage. The only argument you have against this is flat out denial. We don't even need to scale from demolition fist. Wendy used Irene's power to beat Nebal, and the attack that she used didn't even penetrate deep enough into the foundations of the city to do any damage to Aldoron. Even if we assume this is 1% of Irene's power, an attack 100x stronger than this would still be negligible. Aldoron pretty much tanked every single AOE attack used by every member of Fairy Tail when they fought each other on his back.

Spoiler

 

[sharkai]

Wendy's strong enough to stop attacks from Irene. But sure. She and Rogue can be considered fodders. Sting and Rogue combined is stronger than Larcade. Gajeel is stronger than Bloodman. Laxus is much stronger than Wall and Ajeel. Natsu is stronger than Zeref. All of this is irrelevant because of the massive amount of POF involved. Again, Natsu had Lucy literally sending him power from everyone. If you believe that Erza was only as strong as she was against Irene because of POF, then I believe the same to be true of Natsu.

What argument is there to be had?

No, we can't scale Aldoron's strength to Gajeel. First of all, Aldoron was already nerfed when Gajeel fought him because all the seeds were down. At full power, Aldoron's attacks would have been faster than Gajeel could even perceive. He would have been instantly defeated. More importantly, Gajeel got wrecked in that fight.

Irene isn't killing Gajeel. Gajeel with his iron skin has better durability than most other characters in the guild. His iron skin made him take less damage from Aldoron's thorns than Laxus took, and Laxus is around Erza's level in durability. Irene can maybe shatter Gajeel's bones, but that doesn't kill.

It's not BS. It's canon. Aldoron had 100,000,000 points of health. Demolition Fist dealt 1 point of damage. The only argument you have against this is flat out denial.

there are more springgans than 7ds plus august and irene
pof power=million soldiers plus zeref

then first talk about nerf aldron then we add seeds and springgans. can this nerf aldron fight against dragon irene who also would be what 4 times bigger than him proportional strength to match

nope. gajeel was a gaint that was why. never heard gajeel was more durable than laxus before probabaly because erza vs laxus went down laxus hype went down too

no my argument is what happened in the manga. aldron lost to df natsu, gaint gajeel, max and his broom, gray and juvia and jellal

 

[Axiomus]

there are more springgans than 7ds plus august and irene
pof power=million soldiers plus zeref

then first talk about nerf aldron then we add seeds and springgans. can this nerf aldron fight against dragon irene who also would be what 4 times bigger than him proportional strength to match

nope. gajeel was a gaint that was why. never heard gajeel was more durable than laxus before probabaly because erza vs laxus went down laxus hype went down too

no my argument is what happened in the manga. aldron lost to df natsu, gaint gajeel, max and his broom, gray and juvia and jellal

So? That still doesn't outweigh the massive amount of POF working in Natsu's favour. Every single one of the dragon slayers had POF. Lucy literally converted the feelings of everyone in the guild (who beat the Spriggans) and sent it over to Natsu.

Again....Brandish isn't going to make Irene 4x bigger than Aldoron. She was already at her limit with how large she could make Gajeel. Making someone larger doesn't scale their strength proportionally either, because a large part of a person's strength comes from using magic. Brandish doesn't boost a person's MP. Irene would just be a dragon of Aldoron's size with August-tier levels of MP.

Being a giant doesn't matter when the spikes that Aldoron can make were the size of mountains. Only reason Gajeel didn't get impaled here was because he barely managed to get his iron skin up in time. This wouldn't have been an issue at full power where, again, Aldoron's attacks are simply too fast to react to.

Spoiler

Aldoron lost because losing the seeds nerfed him. The most obvious effect this had was that Natsu could now react to his attacks, though it's possible his other stats got nerfed as well. What doesn't change is the fact that demolition fist only dealt 1 point of damage to him when he was at full power. DF Natsu's secret art is simply that strong. We can literally compare it side-by-side to demolition fist. There's a reason why everyone considers Natsu to be so OP right now.

Spoiler: Secret Art

Spoiler: Demolition Fist

 

[sharkai]

So? That still doesn't outweigh the massive amount of POF working in Natsu's favour. Every single one of the dragon slayers had POF. Lucy literally converted the feelings of everyone in the guild (who beat the Spriggans) and sent it over to Natsu.

Again....Brandish isn't going to make Irene 4x bigger than Aldoron. She was already at her limit with how large she could make Gajeel. Making someone larger doesn't scale their strength proportionally either, because a large part of a person's strength comes from using magic. Brandish doesn't boost a person's MP. Irene would just be a dragon of Aldoron's size with August-tier levels of MP.

Being a giant doesn't matter when the spikes that Aldoron can make were the size of mountains. Only reason Gajeel didn't get impaled here was because he barely managed to get his iron skin up in time. This wouldn't have been an issue at full power where, again, Aldoron's attacks are simply too fast to react to.

Spoiler

Aldoron lost because losing the seeds nerfed him. The most obvious effect this had was that Natsu could now react to his attacks, though it's possible his other stats got nerfed as well. What doesn't change is the fact that demolition fist only dealt 1 point of damage to him when he was at full power. DF Natsu's secret art is simply that strong. We can literally compare it side-by-side to demolition fist. There's a reason why everyone considers Natsu to be so OP right now.

Spoiler: Secret Art

Spoiler: Demolition Fist

that why i said, rot aconologia might still beat them. but
fresh springgan 12>>>tired 7ds
7ds pof boost ?? million of soldiers plus zeref
if the pof is boost is only slightly larger than 1 million soldiers plus zeref then alverzec should win

but brandish doesnt have to make irene 4x aldron. she just turn human irene into aldo size. then gaint irene turns into a dragon, which would be 4x aldo size.
brandish turned gajeel into aldo size, sa,e should happen with irene. i dont see why irene wouldnt be bigger too.

look the way i see it
gajeel=erza
dragon irene can one shot erza who is already blocking her claw with a sword.

if nerf aldo cant one or two shot gajeel, like he couldnt on panels. gaint dragon irene should infact outright beat him.

yes seed will take aldo to full power. but individually, the seeds werent that strong (except aldo seed). i dont see why i will give aldo a greater multipier. 4 springgans = 4 seed. aldo seed<remaining what 7 springgans (including august)
base giant dragon irene>nerf aldo
still 1 million soldiers and zeref to compensate for whatever left.

i really dont see how aldo could win

as for mp. gajeel kept up with aldo. his iron skin covered entirety of his gaint body (mp). so i dont see why dragon irene isnt getting a similiar boost as gajeel is

without mp, gildarts couldnt even move (back in tenrou arc). and definity aconologia alot stronger physically than even elfman or gildarts, meaning mp is giving strength. but gajeel could hold back aldo, he could cover his entire gaint body with iron. i undersatnd your mp problem, but mishma ignored it against aldo

i think this is my last post on this topic, you can have the last say

 

[Axiomus]

that why i said, rot aconologia might still beat them. but
fresh springgan 12>>>tired 7ds
7ds pof boost ?? million of soldiers plus zeref
if the pof is boost is only slightly larger than 1 million soldiers plus zeref then alverzec should win

but brandish doesnt have to make irene 4x aldron. she just turn human irene into aldo size. then gaint irene turns into a dragon, which would be 4x aldo size.
brandish turned gajeel into aldo size, sa,e should happen with irene. i dont see why irene wouldnt be bigger too.

look the way i see it
gajeel=erza
dragon irene can one shot erza who is already blocking her claw with a sword.

if nerf aldo cant one or two shot gajeel, like he couldnt on panels. gaint dragon irene should infact outright beat him.

yes seed will take aldo to full power. but individually, the seeds werent that strong (except aldo seed). i dont see why i will give aldo a greater multipier. 4 springgans = 4 seed. aldo seed<remaining what 7 springgans (including august)
base giant dragon irene>nerf aldo
still 1 million soldiers and zeref to compensate for whatever left.

i really dont see how aldo could win

as for mp. gajeel kept up with aldo. his iron skin covered entirety of his gaint body (mp). so i dont see why dragon irene isnt getting a similiar boost as gajeel is


i think this is my last post on this topic, you can have the last say

Makarov wiped out 70% of the army with Fairy Law. Wolfen can summon a literal army of Makarovs. Aldoron's dragon form when nerfed > Aldoron's god seed > Wolfen's army of Makarovs > 1 million army. If you truly believe that 7DS Natsu is stronger than ROTS Acnologia level dragons, then it's already stronger than Zeref + his 1 million army + the Spriggans. Base Acnologia is already above the entire Alvarez Emptire, as everyone in the Alvarez Empire unanimously agrees.

You're assuming that the mass manipulation can even carry over proportionally with a transformation. Who is to say that when Irene transforms from a human to a dragon, she doesn't just revert back down to her regular size? Again, Brandish does not increase anyone's MP and Irene's dragon transformation is largely a product of Irene's magic. Not Brandish's.

Even assuming Irene can become larger than Aldoron, she still wouldn't be stronger than him. Again you're approaching the scaling in the wrong way. Irene being able to smash Erza's bones doesn't mean she can do anything to Aldoron when scaled up, because Aldoron isn't a giant Erza or Gajeel tier. He's a giant Acnologia tier. If Aldoron was shrunk down to the size of a regular dragon, he'd still be able to use his MP to boost his strength to tear Irene in half the same way Acnologia did to Igneel. Your entire argument is based on the idea that Gajeel could stalemate Aldoron. Gajeel got wrecked in 3 minutes. They're not on the same level. 3 minutes is like 1 round in boxing. So I could even say Gajeel literally couldn't last a round.

It doesn't matter how strong the seeds are or exactly what percentage destroying them nerfed Aldoron. We already know what it takes to beat Aldoron at full power: 100,000,000 FDK demolition fists. That is the type of firepower required to take down a god dragon. On top of all that, Wolfen straight up has the power to clone Alvarez's top tiers. I mean, heck, he could make an army of Brandish. If you truly believe Brandish can enlarge an object proportionally regardless of its initial size, then Aldoron can simply outdo whatever Irene has going on.

 

[Vex_Haid]

To much firepower,numbers and hax. they stop at 4

 

[grey matter]

@Orphan Prince You think Spriggans clear Merc, Aldoron and Igneel?

I think I can give Alvarez the first two rounds, on the provision that Aldoron fights them at a similar level he did FT.

I can't see them besting Igneel, who is the closest thing to Acno.

How would they beat even nerfed Merc?
x793 Team Natsu's attacks, with DS magic, did zero damage to him. He essentially no diff'd a much stronger version of the entire team Natsu.

Aldo seed proved he could give Natsu GS treatment when all seeds were intact, but he wanted to play along. Aldo seed can one shot any Spriggan if at full power.
I don't see any of the Spriggans beating nerfed Aldo seed either, individually.
x793 DF Natsu >>> x792 DF Natsu > base Zeref > Spriggans

But yes, this is the round Spriggans have somewhat of a chance. Since taking out all God seeds is enough to beat Aldoron.
Again, it depends on whether Spriggans start on top of Aldo to begin with. Or else dragon Aldo can take them down using his ranged attacks
And even if they start on top of Aldoron, depends on other variables like how Wolven act (Wolven can potentially solo if he won't summon Zeref), if Aldo uses thicket on his own body, and if other seeds are smart enough to hide, in which case Aldo seed would be human Acno tier and can solo

 

[Orphan Prince]

You think Spriggans clear Merc, Aldoron and Igneel?

I think they can clear Merc and maybe Aldoron, but they get crushed by Igneel.

As for why, what we saw in Alvarez was Spriggans engaging in fights alone and being arrogant, what we're seeing here is all 12 Spriggans working together along with Fairy Heart Zeref and the fodder soldiers and them being serious, Taking on all 12 Spriggans is no joke, especially when two of them are Dragon Slayers, one can copy Dragon Slayer Magic and another can summon all the Dragon Slayers that were killed by the Dragons, all Neinhart has to do is hide and keep throwing out Historia's, not to mention, we could possibly have 13 Dragon Slayers here, I'm pretty sure if Wendy can enchant Dragon Slaying magic into somebody temporarily, so can Irene who could possibly do it even better.

I think it's possible that they could walk away from the first two rounds with a high-extreme diff victory if they play their cards right.

 

[grey matter]

I think they can clear Merc and maybe Aldoron, but they get crushed by Igneel.

As for why, what we saw in Alvarez was Spriggans engaging in fights alone and being arrogant, what we're seeing here is all 12 Spriggans working together along with Fairy Heart Zeref and the fodder soldiers and them being serious, Taking on all 12 Spriggans is no joke, especially when two of them are Dragon Slayers, one can copy Dragon Slayer Magic and another can summon all the Dragon Slayers that were killed by the Dragons, all Neinhart has to do is hide and keep throwing out Historia's, not to mention, we could possibly have 13 Dragon Slayers here, I'm pretty sure if Wendy can enchant Dragon Slaying magic into somebody temporarily, so can Irene who could possibly do it even better.

I think it's possible that they could walk away from the first two rounds with a high-extreme diff victory if they play their cards right.

Human Acno was confirmed to be strong and fast enough to one shot any Spriggan within a second.
Even "<50% Merc" >> human Acno
How do you think they can even scratch him? Similar to DS attacks from team Natsu, all their attacks will get shrugged off by Merc even if Eileen enchants them with DS seal. A giant AOE roar from Merc, and everyone here except Zeref dies (well, since Zeref can't die, but he gets KO'd instead).


Human Acno vs Spriggan 12 + Zeref. Who wins?
I think human Acno wins easily. Every character here is far stronger than human Acno


I don't think Zeref has FH though, if he has, things will get complicated.

 

[Lucy>Wendy&Elfman]

Stops at Round 1 I think.

 

[Sevently]

Stop at Igneel.

 

[Vex_Haid]

Waiting for someone to tell me how 1-2 deals with there hax and massive number advantage

irene just enchants them all with DS magic, DS magic can indeed work on people stronger then u (erzas DS magic working on irene)

and irene>>>>>>>>>wendy so dont bring up the argument "wEnDy EnChAnTeD tHeM sO iT wOnT wOrK!!!", and team natsu were using brute force against merc, sprggans will be using hax

dont see merc getting out of timestop thats enchanted with DS magic, and i dont see him taking age scratch (which is a one hit K.O ability since it makes you feel ALL the pain that u felt in your life, aka the pain that ignia natsu dealt to him but combined into one), so dimaria can solo once shes enchanted with DS magic, TS + AS GG and we dont know how merc scales to acnologia in terms of speed + he got no immunity or resistance like acno, god serena can also solo merc as hes a water dragon slayer Lol

for aldoron, irene just enchants august (you know the massive multipler that irenes enchantments gives u right? she enchanted normal soldiers to the point where each one of them was able to send alvarez erza flying, which is a MASSIVE boost) imagine august with her enchantments + DS magic + Giant Gajeel size, he would destroy aldoron or just beat him in a good fight

for igneel it just depends weather he blitzes them right off the bat, if he does then he most likely wins, if he doesn't then he most likely loses, tho a team of base zeref,august,larcade and serena (serena can eat fire) is enough to stall igneel long enough for irene to enchant dimaria or bloodman with DS magic and then TS or Macro GG, leaning towards alvarez in this one

they stop at 4 for sure tho

 

[Axiomus]

Wendy already enchanted Erza with DS magic. It did nothing to Merc. Both Erza and Laxus were using DS magic when they fought each other on Aldoron's back. The AOE from their attacks didn't even register on Aldo.Natsu has DS magic by himself. It did nothing to Merc. FDK did nothing to Aldo. It takes something on the level of DF Natsu to hurt a God Dragon, and none of the Spriggans are anywhere close.

It takes 100,000,000 FDK destruction fists from Natsu to take down Aldoron. Aldoron can fall asleep, and Dimaria can land as many free shots on him as she wants. She still won't deal enough damage within her lifetime, assuming she can hit as hard as Natsu....Which she can't.

They probably stop at Merc, and hard stop at Aldo.

 

[Vex_Haid]

Wendy already enchanted Erza with DS magic. It did nothing to Merc. Both Erza and Laxus were using DS magic when they fought each other on Aldoron's back. The AOE from their attacks didn't even register on Aldo.Natsu has DS magic by himself. It did nothing to Merc. FDK did nothing to Aldo. It takes something on the level of DF Natsu to hurt a God Dragon, and none of the Spriggans are anywhere close.

It takes 100,000,000 FDK destruction fists from Natsu to take down Aldoron. Aldoron can fall asleep, and Dimaria can land as many free shots on him as she wants. She still won't deal enough damage within her lifetime, assuming she can hit as hard as Natsu....Which she can't.

They probably stop at Merc, and hard stop at Aldo.

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did you just compare irenes enchantments to wendys? besides team natsu was using brute force against merc, spriggans would be using HAX

also u do know that dimaria has age scratch right? age scratch is a hax ability that makes you feel all the pain that you felt in your life, which can one shot aldoron if dimaria is enchanted by DS magic

august just copies it, gets enchanted by irene and then gets enlarged to the size of aldo and then proceeds to solo

 

[grey matter]

Wendy already enchanted Erza with DS magic. It did nothing to Merc. Both Erza and Laxus were using DS magic when they fought each other on Aldoron's back. The AOE from their attacks didn't even register on Aldo.Natsu has DS magic by himself. It did nothing to Merc. FDK did nothing to Aldo. It takes something on the level of DF Natsu to hurt a God Dragon, and none of the Spriggans are anywhere close.

It takes 100,000,000 FDK destruction fists from Natsu to take down Aldoron. Aldoron can fall asleep, and Dimaria can land as many free shots on him as she wants. She still won't deal enough damage within her lifetime, assuming she can hit as hard as Natsu....Which she can't.

They probably stop at Merc, and hard stop at Aldo.

Hard stops at Merc. He roars once and all the Spriggans die in the AOE

 

[Axiomus]

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did you just compare irenes enchantments to wendys? besides team natsu was using brute force against merc, spriggans would be using HAX

also u do know that dimaria has age scratch right? age scratch is a hax ability that makes you feel all the pain that you felt in your life, which can one shot aldoron if dimaria is enchanted by DS magic

august just copies it, gets enchanted by irene and then gets enlarged to the size of aldo and then proceeds to solo

Yeah, I did. Because it makes no difference. Natsu, by himself, is stronger than a Spriggan with enchantments. We saw this with Neinhart. Erza with Wendy's enchantment > Irene's dragon form > A Spriggan with Irene's enchantment.

Age Scratch will do nothing lol. Wasn't even enough to incapacitate Wendy. How much pain do you think an Acno tier has felt lol? There's a hard cap on how much pain you can feel anyways.

Aldoron can just sit there and tank everything August can throw at him. Which won't be much, because Brandish can only last for 3 minutes. Aldoron seed skewers Brandish, Irene, and August before they can blink.

 

[Vex_Haid]

Yeah, I did. Because it makes no difference. Natsu, by himself, is stronger than a Spriggan with enchantments.

hax =/= strength, spriggans are mainly hax

We saw this with Neinhart. Erza with Wendy's enchantment > Irene's dragon form > A Spriggan with Irene's enchantment.

irene is weak to DS magic thats why

Age Scratch will do nothing lol.

how come?

Wasn't even enough to incapacitate Wendy.

the pain that wendy felt =/= the pain that aldo felt, do you not remember natsu dealing alot of pain to aldo?

How much pain do you think an Acno tier has felt lol? There's a hard cap on how much pain you can feel anyways.

natsu literally blew a hole in aldos head lol

Aldoron can just sit there and tank everything August can throw at him.

show me aldoron having a counter to age scratch (which is a 1 hit k.o) or mind hax (like how he made brandish go to sleep with mind hax)

Which won't be much, because Brandish can only last for 3 minutes.

3 minutes is more then enough time

Aldoron seed skewers Brandish, Irene, and August before they can blink.

the same seeds that got beaten by jellal,wendy,gray,juvia? or are you talking about godseed aldo? if ur talking about godseed aldo then

1. natsu was able to react to aldoron for some time, so irene and august should have no trouble reacting to it

2. spriggans have racers magic and timestop so speed doesn't matter

--- Double Post Merged, Nov 6, 2021, Original Post Date: Nov 6, 2021 ---

Hard stops at Merc. He roars once and all the Spriggans die in the AOE

why didn't wendy or lucy die then?

 

[grey matter]

why didn't wendy or lucy die then?

Cause Natsu blocked his roar?

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My bad, shouldn't have bothered lmao