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Didn't Tucker go on and on about the Bidens only to say they should move on instead of focusing on this? Feels like he was being threatened with a lawsuit for lying constantly or something.
 

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So, I've been reading about Joe biden's and hunter biden's accusations regarding Burisma and now some china deal that didn't go through... But the one thing I can't figure out is what exactly they are being accused of. As in, what is the specific crime they are accusing the bidens of?
Yea, this is a hard one. I will have to break it down. There are essentially *two* major scandals around this. The first is the Joe/Hunter Biden corruption scandal. The second is the censorship scandal surrounding it.

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CENSORSHIP

Its not strange that you have no idea what the Biden scandal is all about due to the censorship. Essentially, since the story broke two weeks ago, Twitter, Facebook have blocked links to news paper articles about it and banned accounts talking about it. Google have also purged its search results of negative information about the scandal. For that reason it is not strange that you and others on this forum know nothing about it. It went so far that the Senate summoned the three CEO's of those companies to the Senate to answer for it. Here is a short bit of it.


Another type of censorship is that no left wing media is willing to even acknowledge the scandals existence and censors journalist that try to write about it.

If you want more information about the censorship I recommend that you read this article from leftist journalist Matt Taibbi. (famous for exposing corruption on wallstreet during the 2008 crash.) Or this longer article from far left journalist Glenn Greenwald (Pulitzer prize winner).


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Anyway, the Biden scandal!

In short: Joe Biden is accused and have a lot of evidence indicating the following crimes.

*Bribery: He and his family accepted money and resources from people domestic and foreign in the course of his job as Vice President under Obama. There is a lot of evidence of this from various sources. The latest being a laptop belonging to his son that he never picked up from a repair shop and information, emails and witness statements from one of hunters Business partners called Tony Bobulinsky.

*Corruption: He is accused of selling his office and the American state apparatus to the highest bidder. This is different from bribery as it means he gave something back for the money. Most notably, Hunter Biden and Joes brother (forgot the name) received five million dollars from the wife of the mayor of Moscow (a close friend of Putin) a couple of weeks before Russia invaded Crimea. An invasion where the US stood aside and did nothing btw. There is also evidence that part of this money went directly to Joe ( referred to as the big guy in the mail.) So Joe potentially sold US foreign politics for money. Implied that Putin paid Joes family 5 millions to get the US implicit OK for the invasion.

Hunter also received 5 millions from the Chinese state in forgivable 0% interest loans. (Well, a company controlled by the state) And Hunter negotiated this while traveling to China with his dad on Air force 2. While its not clear what Joe Biden did in return, if you consider that the first thing Trump did in office was to start a much needed trade war with China, maybe China bribed Biden to avoid new tariffs and to leave China alone?

Finally, Hunter Biden served on the board of an Ukrainian gas company called Burisma. Where he received 83k dollars a month despite knowing nothing of the industry, not speaking the language and seemingly not doing any work. But the firm and its owner had a lot of corruption going on and a prosecutor was investigating the company and founder. (That promptly escaped the country.) Joe Biden then intervened with the President of Ukraine and threatened to withhold a 1 billion loan guarantee to Ukraine if the prosecutor investigating his sons company was not fired. (And then he bragged about exactly this on camera later!) Long story short, the prosecutor was fired. A new prosecutor was appointed and immediately dropped all charges against Burisma and its founder. The founder then moved back to Ukraine again.

Might be more, but these are the important part that we know about.

*Compromised: Finally, this one is a bit specific. There is a law that states that no public employ with security clearance should be employed if they do things that compromise them and set them up for black mail. This means that if, say, a CIA agent cheats on his wife or have a lot of gambling debt then that is grounds for being fired. This because there is now someone that has a hook on them. If a foreign security service learns about this then they can black mail them. Joe has a lot of shady stuff in his background that in not exactly illegal, but that he dearly wish that no one in the public should learn about. This means that his business partners in Russia, Ukraine and China could exert pressure on him to get him to rule america in a way they desires that is negative to the public and national interests.

There is a debate whether his law applies to public officials. Because public officials have separate laws that govern what you can get fired for. But it was one of the charges when Bill Clinton got impeached over fucking his intern back in the days.


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Anyway, Hunter Biden:

Hunter is not a politician so he cant be guilty of any of the crimes above. But he has a lot of other problems that have been exposed.

*Money laundering: There are laws against hiding the source of payments out of Russia and China. The FBI is currently investigating him over this and also due to him not paying taxes on his ill gotten gains.

*Drug crimes: Hunter is a crack head. Probably how he forgot to pick up his laptop again from the repair shop.

*Child Porn/Statutory rape: FBI is investing him over videos on his laptop that shows him sleeping with a 15 year old. Also the videos themselves thus constitutes child porn.

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All of these crimes will go away however if Joe is elected as the president is immune to all laws except through impeachment. And he can just pardon his son/siblings of any crimes once he is the president.
 

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Yea, this is a hard one. I will have to break it down. There are essentially *two* major scandals around this. The first is the Joe/Hunter Biden corruption scandal. The second is the censorship scandal surrounding it.

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CENSORSHIP

Its not strange that you have no idea what the Biden scandal is all about due to the censorship. Essentially, since the story broke two weeks ago, Twitter, Facebook have blocked links to news paper articles about it and banned accounts talking about it. Google have also purged its search results of negative information about the scandal. For that reason it is not strange that you and others on this forum know nothing about it. It went so far that the Senate summoned the three CEO's of those companies to the Senate to answer for it. Here is a short bit of it.


Another type of censorship is that no left wing media is willing to even acknowledge the scandals existence and censors journalist that try to write about it.

If you want more information about the censorship I recommend that you read this article from leftist journalist Matt Taibbi. (famous for exposing corruption on wallstreet during the 2008 crash.) Or this longer article from far left journalist Glenn Greenwald (Pulitzer prize winner).


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Anyway, the Biden scandal!

In short: Joe Biden is accused and have a lot of evidence indicating the following crimes.

*Bribery: He and his family accepted money and resources from people domestic and foreign in the course of his job as Vice President under Obama. There is a lot of evidence of this from various sources. The latest being a laptop belonging to his son that he never picked up from a repair shop and information, emails and witness statements from one of hunters Business partners called Tony Bobulinsky.

*Corruption: He is accused of selling his office and the American state apparatus to the highest bidder. This is different from bribery as it means he gave something back for the money. Most notably, Hunter Biden and Joes brother (forgot the name) received five million dollars from the wife of the mayor of Moscow (a close friend of Putin) a couple of weeks before Russia invaded Crimea. An invasion where the US stood aside and did nothing btw. There is also evidence that part of this money went directly to Joe ( referred to as the big guy in the mail.) So Joe potentially sold US foreign politics for money. Implied that Putin paid Joes family 5 millions to get the US implicit OK for the invasion.

Hunter also received 5 millions from the Chinese state in forgivable 0% interest loans. (Well, a company controlled by the state) And Hunter negotiated this while traveling to China with his dad on Air force 2. While its not clear what Joe Biden did in return, if you consider that the first thing Trump did in office was to start a much needed trade war with China, maybe China bribed Biden to avoid new tariffs and to leave China alone?

Finally, Hunter Biden served on the board of an Ukrainian gas company called Burisma. Where he received 83k dollars a month despite knowing nothing of the industry, not speaking the language and seemingly not doing any work. But the firm and its owner had a lot of corruption going on and a prosecutor was investigating the company and founder. (That promptly escaped the country.) Joe Biden then intervened with the President of Ukraine and threatened to withhold a 1 billion loan guarantee to Ukraine if the prosecutor investigating his sons company was not fired. (And then he bragged about exactly this on camera later!) Long story short, the prosecutor was fired. A new prosecutor was appointed and immediately dropped all charges against Burisma and its founder. The founder then moved back to Ukraine again.

Might be more, but these are the important part that we know about.

*Compromised: Finally, this one is a bit specific. There is a law that states that no public employ with security clearance should be employed if they do things that compromise them and set them up for black mail. This means that if, say, a CIA agent cheats on his wife or have a lot of gambling debt then that is grounds for being fired. This because there is now someone that has a hook on them. If a foreign security service learns about this then they can black mail them. Joe has a lot of shady stuff in his background that in not exactly illegal, but that he dearly wish that no one in the public should learn about. This means that his business partners in Russia, Ukraine and China could exert pressure on him to get him to rule america in a way they desires that is negative to the public and national interests.

There is a debate whether his law applies to public officials. Because public officials have separate laws that govern what you can get fired for. But it was one of the charges when Bill Clinton got impeached over fucking his intern back in the days.


---------------

Anyway, Hunter Biden:

Hunter is not a politician so he cant be guilty of any of the crimes above. But he has a lot of other problems that have been exposed.

*Money laundering: There are laws against hiding the source of payments out of Russia and China. The FBI is currently investigating him over this and also due to him not paying taxes on his ill gotten gains.

*Drug crimes: Hunter is a crack head. Probably how he forgot to pick up his laptop again from the repair shop.

*Child Porn/Statutory rape: FBI is investing him over videos on his laptop that shows him sleeping with a 15 year old. Also the videos themselves thus constitutes child porn.

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All of these crimes will go away however if Joe is elected as the president is immune to all laws except through impeachment. And he can just pardon his son/siblings of any crimes once he is the president.
For all the censorship, I read the new york post article that very day... and found it by google. Heck, I read it several times over the next few days.... and also by simply googling. Add to that, the new york post article provides no specific, just a ton of innuendos and vague accusations.

I will also stress that google and twitter are privately owned companies and can do pretty much what they want. Ted cruz' whining is kinda irrelevant here.....

Lots of evidence? Where? Of course I've heard about money they supposedly took from a chinese company but scouring through the internet no sources either from MSM or from the far right provides actual evidence or context about this.

As for the burisma bit... I've scoured the internet over that.... The stuff against the ukraine attorney general wasn't a joe biden thing, it was an international effort... The bit you mention about the withholding of money is a lie.

As far as the laptop... where the heck is it? Not even the NY post provided any reasonable specifics about it. The bobulinski testimony is also vague and lacks specifics. He just testified on a short meeting with joe when he held neither public office nora campaign. HIs testimony shouldn't be ignored of course, he went on the record for it, but it alone is insufficient for anything. that setting aside that even fox news isn't touching this story anymore apparently...
 

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Texans running Kamala out of the state.


:toc




Cardi B. Definitely a big fan of Trump ^
 

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Trump supporters in Texas showed how shitty are with the way they treated Biden supporters. You know if it was the other way around, Trump supporters would be crying. I really wish the left of center fought back instead of letting the right act shitty. The right continue to be hypocritical and disgraceful as usual.
 

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But... that rolling stone article does not mention anonymous sources. It's mostly about twitter comments...
 

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And there's the fake news with their anonymous unnamed sources that lie about everything 24/7.


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I like how you, a right winger, claim news you don't like as fake, despite the fact that when anyone who has common sense actually fact checks most things the right say, they can see either how wrong the right are or how unabashedly they lie.

Trump supporters are savage animals enough to do something like this, actually.
 

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I like how you, a right winger, claim news you don't like as fake



Its confirmed fake there ^

A white SUV (possibly driven by a leftist liberal) tries to run a truck flying Trump and USA flags off the road.
 

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Its confirmed fake there ^

A white SUV (possibly driven by a leftist liberal) tries to run a truck flying Trump and USA flags off the road.
If it is fake, why did the president publicly endorse and condone it?
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Aside from that:

I am kinda worried about the US in two days.

I do not think Biden would lose a fair election. almost 95 million votes are cast right now already (compared to roughly 130 million votes on a whole in 2016) , he led throughout the entire election process and has a broad lead right now in the important states.
It remains to be seen how many voters republicans can bring out on election day, but i wouldnt know how they can bring out a lot more than 2016. That was the time when trump was popular and people were not tired of him. And before quite some republican leaning voters decided enough is enough.

But I am worried about how far republicans are willing to go.


Republicans do not even mask their efforts to suppress voters anymore. They want to toss out more than 100k votes, just like that. Even after the states supreme court has approved drive through polling stations, they waited to go to a federal so the votes that get tossed out are less likely to be recasted.
They desperately want to win and are willing to do anything necessary to do so.
With a 6-3 supreme court majority, if the election hinges on just one or two states (even if biden is comfortably ahead), i can see them trying all kinds of shenanigans.

Toss out as much as you can, do not accept as many votes as you can, invalidate voters retroactively.

And if it doesnt work? Well, the Maga trucks are ready, so are the rifles.

There is room to hope that democrats win so decisively in senate and white house that no amount of suppression or courtcheating is going to save the republicans. But they kinda have to do that if they want to win.
Winning fairly alone is not going to cut it this time.
 

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Its confirmed fake there ^

A white SUV (possibly driven by a leftist liberal) tries to run a truck flying Trump and USA flags off the road.
A very short clip, from an account that notoriously lies or shows he knows nothing. How convincing. Not only that, but as shio said, if it was fake then why would the president cheer?

And that's likely either not true or the SUV acknowledged that the truck was dangerous. If a white SUV did try to run a truck flying Trump flag off the road, the right would bitch and whine about it.

The way Trump and the right have reacted, or lack of, easily prove you wrong.
 

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If it is fake, why did the president publicly endorse and condone it?

He said they did nothing wrong.

Aside from that:

I am kinda worried about the US in two days.

I do not think Biden would lose a fair election. almost 95 million votes are cast right now already (compared to roughly 130 million votes on a whole in 2016) , he led throughout the entire election process and has a broad lead right now in the important states.
It remains to be seen how many voters republicans can bring out on election day, but i wouldnt know how they can bring out a lot more than 2016. That was the time when trump was popular and people were not tired of him. And before quite some republican leaning voters decided enough is enough.

But I am worried about how far republicans are willing to go.

As many have already mentioned Trump rallies typically number 30,000 to 60,000+ in crowd size.


No one shows up for Biden rallies, ever.

That makes it difficult for many to believe the "Biden is ahead" narrative.

A very short clip, from an account that notoriously lies or shows he knows nothing. How convincing. Not only that, but as shio said, if it was fake then why would the president cheer?

Cheer?
 

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If they did nothing at all, what did he cheer them on for? Why did people in his rallies cheer about this occurence in which nothing happens?

Aside from that: Crowdsizes are pretty meaningless, as biden events are not set up for large crowds.

Look at small donations to the democratic party and you will see how they outraise republicans 3 to 1
 

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I love how your argument is basically sharing a tweet that was posted today to replies that were posted yesterday or longer. There's nothing wrong with admitting you have nothing.
 

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I wanna hand it to you americans again: You know how to keep things exciting.

Let's recap what happened since 2016 (and none of these things seemed particularly likely before you knew it'd happen):

  • A reality TV star won the 2016 american election against both the republican and democratic establishment as complete underdog who ran on a platform of anti immigration, isolationism, crassness and chants to lock his election opponent up.
  • Said president appoints family members into official positions and changes his staff nonstop, firing and hiring as he pleases. He also gets impeached for shady dealings in Ukraine, however, because he also appointed a DOJ who holds the position that the president's power is unlimited, the impeachment was not successful.
  • The democrats hold a primary with more than 20 candidates, among them a run down vice president, a socialist who lost in the primary before and a billionaire who wanted to buy the thing.
    The endless debates led to a deadlock that seemed to point towards a brokered convention, but then all other candidates endorsed the run down vice president who many observers thought had dementia and he beat the socialist.
  • Black lives matter, a movement back from 2015, grows in size and support after american policemen kill a detained black man on camera. The movement leads to mass protests which in turn also set off rioting in some places. Riot police clashes with protestors and sets off even more protests, leading to the president sending in federal troops to some cities that then fight against civilians.
  • A deadly pandemic hits the world, having a strong effect on western societies. In the US, it becomes a partisan issue in which the president and his party claim that it will go away on its own, that masks are useless or claims that there are cures for the disease when there are not.
  • A liberal supreme court justice dies roughly 3 weeks before the election and parties battle about whether the seat will be filled with a conservative justice before the election or not. Ultimately, republicans win the battle and even though they said such a thing would be inherently wrong 2016, appoint the justice they want.
  • The presidential debate is so chaotic with the president just talking over both the moderator and the challenger that the next debate has the possibility for the moderator to shut off the microphones.
  • The president and some high ranking republican officials get infected with the deadly disease and have to go to the hospital. While they are still sick, they drive around in their limousine to show themselves to supporters, claiming they are immune now later on.
  • The democratic challenger leads a campaign from his basement, having only very few public appearances but still leading in the polls.
  • Both the president and his challenger, after being unable to decide how to do a townhall debate, do their own townhall interviews at the same time on different TV channels.
  • A fight about election integrity ensues. Republicans file hundreds of lawsuits to try to suppress mail in voting or other forms of early voting. The president claims mail in voting is unsafe and votes are going to get stolen, does not think the election is fair.
  • An alleged laptop from the son of the democratic challenger appears, that also allegedly contains childporn and proof of corruption. The laptop was allegedly found in a repair shop, whose owner is good friends with a friend of the president. However, the story gets dismissed because social media like google and facebook decide to delete any comments about it, effectively killing the story.
  • In the closing days of the election, journalists and politicians alike go deep into election law to find out what kind of freak occurrences exactly can happen if the election results are contested. Questions like "Which votes will be counted by whom", "can the vice president just call the election when rival ballots are presented to him" or "how does the house exactly vote when the EC is a draw" become relevant and both parties prepare for it.

Oh and it is not just that. That doesnt even touch on the rise of Q anon, endorsed by trump.
That doesnt even touch on the milita clashing BLM supporters and leftists.

A lot of stories are not touched here, just the broader strokes.

When you learn about writing, one of the first things you learn as that any good story has people who want something really desperately.

As such, american politics certainly is the best story: All these people want to win desperately and are willing to disregard any kind of shame to get it. It is a modern drama of biblical proportion.
 
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Well, Biden may win, just hoping that the country doesnt burn because of it... I live in the silicon valley bubble and dont think anything will happen here, hope everyone is safe...
Wait, i just realized that i sound like fox news... scratch that...
 

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Honestly, I'll be surprised if Biden wins.
 

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Anyone betting on the outcome?


:toc


I have a few small bets on Trump.
 

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The way Trump lied about Biden being a socialist and radical left, smh

Probably why FL isn't strongly Biden
 

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If Biden "isn't" a radical left socialist.

Who is?

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