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Americans , by now, have zero trust into their system
I think younger people have no trust

i think the old guard, have trust, only explanation for choosing someone whose been in politics since like the 70s for president.
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Cancun Cruz is pretty brave, theres so much material that can be used against him in ads.
 

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but tbh I wouldn't be surprised if he won, especially given how bigotry is popular amongst the right.
 

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What do you think would be necessary (not just legally, but realistically) to change the US system into a multiparty system. How could a third party rise to relevance?
The point ISN"T THE party but rather POLICIES. Because that what is important at the end of the day. Democrats, Republicans, they are but names. Back during President Grant's days, the Republicans are the ones that championed civil right. Back during Theodore Roosevelt's days, it is the Republicans that championed regulating the market and the working class. As you know Taft-Roosevelt fued marked the progressive Republicans fleeing the party. And with LBJ signed the civil right act, he knew real well the dems would lost the south eventually. And they did. Political realignment happened all of the time. Third party isn't any better. There are quacky candidates from third party. But they don't have as much scrutiny because they didn't got any traction. And beside even within a party, the spectrum is extremely broad. YOU CAN CHOOSE your candidate and your policies during the primary. On the republican side, we got alt right candidate, neo republican, pro business, libertarians, to quacky conspiracists. On the dem side, we can go even further than Bernie Sanders all the way to almost a republican like Joe Manchin (who is the most perfect democrat for a state who vote for Trump overwhemingly). Beside, don't focus too much on the label. Look at what happened in the UK. Carl Benjamin (Sargon of Akkad) ran as a UKIP candidate. Many people didn't like the rhetoric, left the party. They go and made a new one. Which basically have the SAME POLICIES and make up by almost the same people as the UKIP party in the first place. So this new shiny party, Reform/Brexit, is just the old one with a newer paint.
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Cancun Cruz is pretty brave, theres so much material that can be used against him in ads.
I hope the bastard run. Trump and the Trump family had not relinquish another run for the presidency. If any of the two face rats that sold their soul to Beelzebub, and think that they could rode the Trump's clout, will have their rude awakening. The Jim Jordan, the Cruz, the Desantis, the Hawley. I can't wait for Trump to bastardize them and called their wives ugly. I care more about if the liberal voters will fall asleep at the wheel to come out and vote.

I certainly do not think republicans of any kind would want to give up the electoral college. They cannot win any election without it.
The senate, House and White house all favor republicans due to the system. Giving that up would mean giving up the easiest path to power.
My gosh, the justification for it, are so stupid and all over the place. "Because the founding father want it," yeah half of them went with the Virginia plan, and go solely based on population size. Also this was the period of time, where people WHO CANNOT VOTE (the slaves) are counted as 3/5 of a person to booster the South representative. Secondly, people went on and on about how it isn't fair for New York or California to dictate how smaller states run. But they don't mentioned state like Texas or Florida. People need to know that there are more conservatives in California than there are people in many of these smaller states. And representative/senator of other states are represented more than just the people in their state. Democrats in Idaho probably feel more represented by Pelosi of California then whoever represent Idaho. Reducing the power of California is also reducing probably the power of more conservatives than in many of these so called Red states. Though, I think we should do away with the whole winner take all. And do a system like Nebraska/Maine does where they split up their electorates. Where if you won the entire state, you got some delegates plus the district you won. However, even if you lose the state, you can still get delegates. The problem is that, the change will have to be from the state. And as it stance, it maybe a prisoner dilemma. Where despite it being fairer, if only red (or just blue) states doing this, it would give advantage to the opposite party.
 

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Back during Theodore Roosevelt's days, it is the Republicans that championed regulating the market and the working class.
I don't think that was the Republicans, but just Teddy and very few of the progressive Republicans.
 

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It was Republican opposition to the New Deal that caused the parties to kind of swap places in the Big/Small Government dichotomy, but it didn't happen overnight. Republicans were in favor and subsidized a lot of Western expansion, but things that weren't railroads or banks kind of fell by the wayside and Democrats began advocating for them as a result. It turns out "big government" is tremendously beneficial to big business in new endeavors... wonder if there are any contemporary examples of that... :imslow
 

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I don't think that was the Republicans, but just Teddy and very few of the progressive Republicans.
Theodore won his reelection (hard to say re because he got to be president due McKinley got shot). But that meant REPUBLICANS VOTED FOR HIM. Whatever you said about Taft, he may not be as progressive as Theodore but he also lean toward that direction. When Teddy left the Republican party, republicans followed him and pushed him to have the second most vote in 1912 election. And then the remaining republicans voted for Taft who also continue Teddy's trustbusting tradition also. So I guess that constitute like almost all of the republican voters at that time.

Speaking of the new deal, Republican president Eisenhowever (who more like the centrist since both parties want him) continue New deal policies (after FDR, and Truman). Of course those continue in JFK and probably even expanded by LBJ's great society. But those are the two democrat president. But Nixon, a REPUBLICAN, was probably the last New Deal president. According to Noam Chomsky, Nixon was the last liberal president, in term of major government program.

Carter was still able to hold the South despite the so called Southern strategy. But by the time of Reagan, who lower the really really high tax rate. I think the modern republican start to take shape. That is why many republican VOTERS may said Lincoln as the aggressors against the South but spoke more fondly of Reagan who is like God in their eyes. Weirdly enough, Trump ended up took over that spot of being the model republican. Trumpian politics is identity politics.
 

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I'm going by a documentary and few things I"ve read on him, and one of the reasons he initially got support from republicans during his first run was because he promised to be pro-business and monopoly.

Ironically though they'll use Lincoln as proof that republicans are good
 

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shionoro said:
What do you think would be necessary (not just legally, but realistically) to change the US system into a multiparty system. How could a third party rise to relevance?
You'd have to convince people that your party either offers what their old preferred party offers (and more), or convince them that it does what their original part does better than they claim to do.

Like, if a new political party appeared out of nowhere that I was sure was gonna lead to a UBI, slavery reparations, free healthcare, vaccine mandates during a fucking pandemic , an inability to ban abortions anywhere, and realistic gun reform, they'd get my vote. Like... the party would be called the LLP: the lefter than left party.

In fact whether the new party was on the left or the right, it'd have to just be extreme versions of either or to get people to care IMHO. No one wants a center focused political party.
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Ironically though they'll use Lincoln as proof that republicans are good
Lincoln was a racist fuck too.
 

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In fact whether the new party was on the left or the right, it'd have to just be extreme versions of either or to get people to care IMHO. No one wants a center focused political party.

Lincoln was a racist fuck too.
Well, you ain't got my vote. Having some sort of prejudice and bigotry is the fact of humanity. It would serve the community better if one is to focus on ones' own prejudice and bigotry. But more often than not, we tend to notice the booger on someone's else face than one's own face. For example, liberals love to talk about intersectionalism. They would focus on say BLACK gay teens face homelessness way more than white gay teens. But they won't address homophobia problems within say black community. Then again, someone can be currently homophobic, doesn't meant they are bad people and or forever be homophobic. And or for that matter, I am not even pin point to any individual. Because the individuals that aren't homophobic ain't a problem in this particular issue.

Your LLP party is already in the democratic party. Did you read up on the candidates within your local race and around the nation? And especially during the primaries? There are extremist politicians during the primary process. The problem is probably the lack of caring nor the lack of motivation to even getting involve. People scream for a solution even when the solution is right there. Either way, it is a fringe.

Black folks have a choice to go left in the primary. They have Warren, Sanders, Yang, "Gabbard," etc. But black folks are the ones that voted Joe Biden.

It is an eye opening for me to realize that the USA is way more conservative than I thought even among the democrats. Even among the minorities. Especially true in term of refugees from communist countries like Cubans and Vietnamese.

Barely a year into George Floyd, and New York DEMOCRATIC primary picked a police officer to be the nominee, who got investigated for corruption. Defunding the police was unpopular on that stage, much less the more inflammatory ACAB. And the meme of the day was concerns for rising crime rates during the pandemic. Not that democrat PRIMARY voters don't have options that are way to the left of this police guy. They did, but they didn't choose her.

Btw, the people that far far far left wouldn't even believe changes are possible via the electorate process. lol, that why all those youtubers and twitters echoing revolutions. But looking at them, I am like are you sure you want that. The gun nuts from the right would massacre us. Even on something like gun right, I have a black navy friend who really big into guns. And the reason why he is big into guns is that he don't believe in the polices' capabilities to keep him safe. He would rather take care of a home intruder than call the polices and risk having them shooting at him instead. And this guy is pretty far to the left. A lot of black activists carried guns (like the Black Panther back in the days) because they feel like the polices don't antagonize them as much since they are not easy targets. And certainly with all those guns, the polices wouldn't want to just escalate the situation. Not saying that their way is the right way. But what I am getting at here is that there are such diversity in term of what people viewed as solutions to problems that many agree upon.

Centrism is still pretty popular. This is why all the alt right, and youtube conservative talking heads first claimed that they are the new center because the left is going off on the deep end. While on the left, people talk about the "overton window," which basically translating to moving the center. Because the center policies are what getting passed, and hopefully it is a compromised of the extremes which pull the overton window in one way or another.

If you want changes, don't look at federal politics. Focus on the local ones where it actually impact you way more. Example, all these "defunding the police" stuffs. Those budgets are at the local level.
 

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Well, you ain't got my vote. Having some sort of prejudice and bigotry is the fact of humanity. It would serve the community better if one is to focus on ones' own prejudice and bigotry. But more often than not, we tend to notice the booger on someone's else face than one's own face. For example, liberals love to talk about intersectionalism. They would focus on say BLACK gay teens face homelessness way more than white gay teens. But they won't address homophobia problems within say black community.
Don't need it. I just need you to not vote red. As for focusing on one's own prejudice and bigotry: no. We have to hold each other to account. No one just stops being a cunt because they had a moment of introspection. They do it because of fear of losing friends or family. People who used to be homophobes didn't stop because they had a fucking "come to Jesus" moment. They did it because their son brought their boyfriend home for Thanksgiving and they had to decide between losing their son or gaining a son in law.

Then again, someone can be currently homophobic, doesn't meant they are bad people
Depends on whether they're acting on it. I know so many people who claim not to have a problem with homosexuals but still vote Republican. You know, the party that wants to prevent them from adopting children or getting married? That's an ACTUAL attack on gay people no matter how much you smile to their faces. Which is a bad thing.

Your LLP party is already in the democratic party. Did you read up on the candidates within your local race and around the nation? And especially during the primaries? There are extremist politicians during the primary process. The problem is probably the lack of caring nor the lack of motivation to even getting involve. People scream for a solution even when the solution is right there. Either way, it is a fringe.
Nah.

Black folks have a choice to go left in the primary. They have Warren, Sanders, Yang, "Gabbard," etc. But black folks are the ones that voted Joe Biden.
Socialism is still a bad word in America. And black people love the guy who stood with their first black president so he had the optics with him. You don't vote for who you want, you vote for whoever has the better chance of winning for your side.

It is an eye opening for me to realize that the USA is way more conservative than I thought even among the democrats. Even among the minorities. Especially true in term of refugees from communist countries like Cubans and Vietnamese.
Yeah... fuck religion and the mess it left us.

Btw, the people that far far far left wouldn't even believe changes are possible via the electorate process. lol, that why all those youtubers and twitters echoing revolutions. But looking at them, I am like are you sure you want that. The gun nuts from the right would massacre us.
In the immortal words of president Sleepy Joe: "What are their AR-15s gonna do against my tanks?"

Jokes aside, leftist are becoming less gun shy. It's just old dems and libs who are afraid of guns.
 

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On the upside, the day the left wing embraces guns it's the day when the right wing starts embracing gun control.... for the left.
 

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On the upside, the day the left wing embraces guns it's the day when the right wing starts embracing gun control.... for the left.
LA used to be open carry til the Black Panthers started exercising that right. I always said if we want gun control we just need to follow suit in every other state. Start giving black and brown people guns (legally) and let the Right start gettting antsy.
 

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On the upside, the day the left wing embraces guns it's the day when the right wing starts embracing gun control.... for the left.

The left believes there is no legitimate reason to own a gun in the modern day world.

That would never happen.

To quote Scott Ridley's Prometheus (2012): "No guns, we are on a scientific mission."


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Lincoln was a racist fuck too.
Was he? I thought he was kind of neutral/pro-Black people, but not a racist, or was that whitewashed too?

Your LLP party is already in the democratic party. Did you read up on the candidates within your local race and around the nation? And especially during the primaries? There are extremist politicians during the primary process. The problem is probably the lack of caring nor the lack of motivation to even getting involve. People scream for a solution even when the solution is right there. Either way, it is a fringe.
It is not. The party would be separate from the Democratic party, and I'm sure many left politicians joined the Dems because they had no other choice. Dems like Biden and Pelosi are at odds with leftists like Bernie and AOC, and many, if not most, leftists dislike the Democratic party or centrists like Biden and Clinton.
 

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The left believes there is no legitimate reason to own a gun in the modern day world.

That would never happen.

To quote Scott Ridley's Prometheus (2012): "No guns, we are on a scientific mission."


:toc
Cool story but what does that have to do with my joke post?
 

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Cool story but what does that have to do with my joke post?

Have you seen the movie Prometheus (aliens prequel)?

Its like a parody of left wing scientists on an expedition to an alien planet. They opt to take no guns with them due to it being a "scientific mission". They're attacked by aliens, while unarmed. A few of them die trying to pet an alien that resembles a snake.


:toc
 

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Have you seen the movie Prometheus (aliens prequel)?

Its like a parody of left wing scientists on an expedition to an alien planet. They opt to take no guns with them due to it being a "scientific mission". They're attacked by aliens, while unarmed. A few of them die trying to pet an alien that resembles a snake.


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Sure but how does that connect to my post?
 

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Sure but how does that connect to my post?

It illustrates how the left is as likely to embrace gun culture.

As a fish is to embrace mountain climbing as a hobby.

Inversely opposed contradiction.

And how those scenes from Prometheus could use more publicity.

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BTW if anyone really wants to know the rights stance on gun control, the above clip summarizes it in 6 minutes.


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It is not. The party would be separate from the Democratic party, and I'm sure many left politicians joined the Dems because they had no other choice. Dems like Biden and Pelosi are at odds with leftists like Bernie and AOC, and many, if not most, leftists dislike the Democratic party or centrists like Biden and Clinton.
PS, as I type this out. I seemed to sidetrack to something out completely. Half of this post has nothing to do what I quoted from you. They are just my thoughts. Apologies.

Kinda but not really. There are caucus within the party. Republican Liberty Caucus for example is the libertarian wing of the party. Members don't necessary have to be libertarian but rather like that branding. Same with the progressive caucus in the democrat party. The so called big tent idea. Where the major party adopting platform of smaller parties to made them irrelevant. Well you can said for example that it is bad because they only parade around the green new deal but don't push for it. But vice versa, if the progressive is a party on its own, its voice is so tiny that no one will even heard about it. The fact is the democratic party did spread that voice out, though damming its out at the same time. Progressives can use that to and have shift the overton window within the democrat party. Unless you like something like the Green party, who just run for show and have no political power. Much less lolcow communist party. But I am sure within the Democrat party, there are representatives in the House that could have easily been the Green party candidate.

But progressives is really live and die with the identity politics as much the right wing with their new idol Trumpian politics. People like Shaun King is a loudmouth, and all that shit is coming to bite him in the a** with all his fake fundraising. Or Warren and her little native American stunt, and then later the sexist stunt against Bernie. And even AOC and Bernie ain't far left enough with the whole Force the vote thing. Very funny how tiny the progressives are, and yet it is already so fracture as it is. Calling each others as "fakes." Politicians are hired to play politics. Of those folks, I guess Sanders is the most effective one. But if the progressive want to make real changes, they need a McConnel, and not necessary an Omar or an AOC. If they want to dislike Biden, that is fine. But Biden, although the head of the democrat party at the moment. He is not the president of the democrats, or the president of the left. He is the president of the USA, and of ALL Americans. If Americans are that ready to be further left, then Biden would not have been the president. But the truth is that the Americans are actually kinda conservative in nature. For years now I have listen to and actually believe the sh** that the young turks and the Justice dems spouting out that the Americans people are actually progressives. But that doesn't really pant out. A lot of people are not informed enough to be either left or right. They either left or right due to clique, or due to trend. Some are so malleable that a video or an event could flip their dogma upside down. Those Dave Rubin type. Some are informed by their identity. And most don't even f ing know what they are talking about. Let's take Obama vs Bush. They went to Harlem to interview people and they gave Obama all of Bush's policies. And they got Obama supporters to agree with all of the Bush's policies. Most voters are myopic to their own interests, or values that they think they have.

I also noticed a very worrying trend of woke (on the left) or "I am an independent thinker" on the right. Which kinda both wokeness to me tbh, where they are the only one who is awake to the truth. And everyone else are sheeps of the herd. But at the end of the day, everything they spout is not something they came up with. Nothing original. Someone else did the thinking and spoonfed it to them without them thinking critically about it. That including me. Money in politics sound so important until it isn't. Trump the guy with less money win. Biden who didn't raise as much money as many of his democrats counterparts ended up the winner. Sometimes we just accepted something as truth. Such as the left is good, centrism is bad. But to me, all those are but neutral terms. Everything could be good, and could be bad. Sometimes, the change cannot be from the government. Cultural changes are just as important. I think that is why the right is playing this cultural war, and focus on these war on Christmas for so long. That the white Americans think their way of life are crumbling all around them in the wave of migrants, and tranny liberals, and inner city criminals. 2016 was when the majority played their white identity politics. And they know real well the demographic is shifting. The whole "white genocide" thing is quite the conspiracy. But the reality is the demographic is shifting, and with it will be shift in political power and culture. Some on the left kinda talk from both side of their mouth laughing at that conspiracy while glad that white Americans will be the minority. My problem is that their FEAR is real. And I didn't know what will happened from those fear until the last few years. Cramping down on voting right, restricting immigration, deporting even former war refugees to adoptees.

The USA is a miraculous country. With such deep scar as slave owner descendants sitting along side slave descendants. How long can it last. Division of culture, ethnics, religion created civil war and sedition around the globes. Place with high diversity like Singapore had to be rule with Iron Fist. I know nationalism is a bad word, and in the usa, it is associate with white nationalism. But I came from outside of the USA. I kinda want to have a share identity in which this diverse population have something in common to hold it together. At first, may be it is just American. But seemed to me, no one really agree upon what is an American, and what are American values. When a political figure, or some rando said the Americans people know I am right, or the American people are with me. They basically said those that don't agree are less American. I do hope we somehow have some form of nationalism or patriotism that can hold the country together. Diversity to me is neutral. It has its strengths and it has severe weakness as well.
 

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Have you seen the movie Prometheus (aliens prequel)?

Its like a parody of left wing scientists on an expedition to an alien planet. They opt to take no guns with them due to it being a "scientific mission". They're attacked by aliens, while unarmed. A few of them die trying to pet an alien that resembles a snake.


:toc
This is honestly the weirdest projection I've seen in a while. I mean sure, maybe you see this in the film, but the real allegory is right there in the title of the film... It's much easier to chalk up the absurdity in the narrative to it not being a very great film rather than looking for any specific political commentary...
 
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