So it's just a lie told by his family then, okay.
That's NOT what an
anecdote is, as opposed to evidence that can be extrapolated to be meaningful to the masses, so I'm not sure where you got that I was saying or implying that the family was/is lying because I, correctly, called this one-off story an anecdote.
But since you went there, yeah, it happens. Hell, it happened with the news of the first reported omicron death in the UK; someone claiming to be a family member (accurate or not this was never confirmed) made a claim that an unvaxxed stepfather died.
Here's the actual facts of that claim:
An interviewee on national radio station LBC said his step-father died of Omicron at a Northampton hospital last week
www.northamptonchron.co.uk
So, yeah, sorry but "Jeffrey" the contact that talked to The Daily Beast (gee, I wonder just what type of person would want to go on record with a notoriously-biased 'media' source? No one with ANY agenda, that's who!) isn't exactly a pillar of reliability I'd hang my hat on.
Again, not that a lying family is even my claim. But it is possible, and it has happened before, as cited above.
The antithesis of this would be some rando claiming to be a family member calling into Fox to say that hillbilly g'ma died from a stroke 24hrs after receiving her jab - would you not have a healthy skepticism of what exactly that means? From the source to the news outlet to the implications of what that means about the vax.
Yes, saying "almost certainly" is a degree of likelihood. But it was rather unfounded in my eyes and you were still speaking on the situation using mostly assumptive reasoning without having most of the facts.
Let's be very clear - the issue you took is that I reported it as a given. Now, you're admitting I did indeed NOT speak in absolutes. I made a point that it is more than likely, that is all.
As for the facts, I think we've agreed the time frame works out to him STILL being infected during the heights of omicron, no? Not that I'm very interested in continuing to beat this dead horse or anything.
But again, if you think his family member or sources close to them are lying about it then none of this really matters.
This is a red herring. Whether his family was or wasn't lying (I have no idea, probably not, but the media source doing the reporting is sus to me) has little to do with whether he was infected with omicron over delta.
Not really following you here
Ah, well, apparently you aren't too familiar with how JRE listeners are categorized as of late (due to how they categorize Rogan himself - which is btw racist, sexism, transphobe, etc etc). The two lib lapdogs here probably don't want to bite your hand, but I wonder if you said you hated Rogan and *I* said I was a long-time, and still current listener if I'd be treated any differently. I guess we'll never know.
You're not disagreeing with me here though.... I specifically said he's NOT a chameleon when it comes to a select few topics. He's way less open to discussion from the opposite viewpoints when it comes to those few things.
Um, but I am. I think he IS a chameleon. About damn near everything. With very few exceptions. Maybe eating meat over vegetarianism/veganism (there are still vegan intellectuals I'd like to hear him talk with), the ethics of hunting, and trans athletes in sports. That may not be an exhaustive list but for the most part I believe he stays in his lane. I don't count covid here, but apparently you do. I'd again point out he hasn't ONLY platformed (so-called) antivaxxers, not that they are ACTUALLY antivaxx, but now we have to get into the definition of things and semantics' games...
His personal experience is that of a multi-millionaire entertainer who has access to whatever therapeutics he could possibly want with 1 phone call.
a) calling who? That's right,
his personal doctor. Something that's supposed to be a sacred relationship for the left (hello, Roe v Wade). Now, maybe he can order what he wants no different than we can order fast-food, but at the very least Rogan wasn't self-prescribing (probably the same as his HRT). His treatment WAS IN FACT overseen by a qualified medical provider. That's not the slant on how it was reported. And the fact it was should be sufficient as medicine is also not monolithic - hello, 'get a second opinion' actually being a thing.
And you're talking to someone with Ivermectin
in my house. I've had it for years, in liquid form, because it's an extremely cost-effective way to dose my dogs rather than giving expensive medication for worms - with the same/only active ingredient. But don't think in a heartbeat I wouldn't try to use it for myself if I saw the need (and I haven't), even if experimentally and as an ancillary treatment. But, I'm not an idiot that knows how to dose correctly per kilo, understands the extensive safety-profile, is aware of the exact fillers, and has a medical background of my own. Which brings me to my next point:
b) the therapeutics Joe has access to due to his wealth alone as you claim... well, it's very funny that many, many countries that are generally considered impoverished and third-world (or intermediate) have had GREAT SUCCESS getting IVM for instance as a treatment (among others, such a Zithro, pepcid, etc) in an extremely cost-effective manner - and with great outcomes - to their citizens. Oh, and chalk Japan up as a more 'first world' example of that as well. Funny, but the
average Joe as it were can't get what these literal peasants can get living in the streets in the East. And they can't even get them off-label from their prescribing physicians, nor filled at pharmacies. They literally HAVE to resort to ordering from shady e-vendors in India and the like, or relying on domestic veterinary packaging (same EXACT compound, different dose and/or route) and attempting to titrate for human usage/dosage.
It's literally the OPPOSITE of first-world privilege, and your/our government is to blame for that. So much for "shutting down the virus," and actually caring about outcomes when people aren't given the option to get even off-label therapeutics from their own physician or pharmacy. There is extremely good, data-backed evidence that our government and medical body kowtowing to big pharma could have prevented countless deaths by allowing access to these extremely-safe, established medications. Which is rather disgusting.
So, pointing out Joe's access inadvertently makes a point some of us have been making about our covid response for literally years. It's a shame that it takes wealth or jumping through hoops to get similar treatment in the US and similar countries.
It is very easy to take alternative treatments when you have a doctor on call.
Agreed, and addressed above. This is a govt/medical/media failure not a Rogan failure. It doesn't make him incorrect or wrong about how he went about things, nor his 'advice' incorrect (which really hasn't even been given as advice).
It's very easy to tell your audience that the vaccine isn't necessary
I'll stop you right there - for many, many people - it's NOT. Puriodt. And science is proving this out - as is omicron. I know Risk Stratification is an esoteric wizardry cum heretical doctrine to the cult-like left, proponents of the biggest corporations in the world lol, but it's a long-established plan of approach for medicine and science since, well, the beginning really.
Now, it would be really different, and false, if Joe said NO ONE need the vaccine. Only, he's not doing anything even approaching that.
Nor are his guests.
and then just call yourself a dumb ape when there's any degree of scrutiny.
I actually don't think Rogan is THAT bright, nor do I think he thinks of himself as that bright. Maybe it's faux-humility, but he's been saying this about himself for a long, long time. What he does have is a genuine intellectual curiosity, and access to some of the brightest minds in their respective fields (which is largely why I listen - Joe's standup isn't my jam either). He's logged hundreds of hours talking to professionals and intellectuals and experts to the point that he has indeed acquired a lot of knowledge. If I had to guess I'd say he's probably no more than a standard deviation from the mean to the right on the bell-curve, give or take, but that's just a wild guess.
And, against the claims by the forum experts here calling him an "idiot" he's probably forgotten more than they even don't know they don't know about. He's also made a host of good business decisions.
Some "idiot" indeed.
By the by, he's ALLOWED to make incorrect claims, idiot or not.
It's also very easy to not embolden vaccine skepticism by cherry-picking data and entertaining his conspiracy brain by almost only talking to anti-vaxxers for the past year or so.
Again, he most certainly HAS NOT only hosted anti-vaxxers. That's just patently false.
But even if he were doing so, I don't see how that's not his prerogative.
He didn't always do that, he had people like Peter Hotez, Michael Osterholm, Rhonda Patrick, etc.
I've loved some of those interviews (more than one visit for some) - Rhonda has been one of the reason I sprout broc seeds year-round. And, as much as I've loved listening to these guests, it seems they were wrong as well. IIRC, Rhonda made some claims that didn't seem to pan out a year+ ago when it comes to covid. But, I'd have to pull that podcast again without making that claim with
certainty. Unlike some here, I think it's important, and even entertaining, to listen to those with other view points. For instance, I've heard very convincing arguments about eating animal products, and convincing arguments against it - both bringing receipts. Things aren't as black-and-white as some would like to attempt to make things.
He's indulged the anti-vaxx crowd and has done so offering no challenge to them at all, because his mind is already made up.
That's not what he did recently with the myocarditis bit. He's reversed course, pushed back, been incredulous, been open-minded, asked questions, made commentary... he's done MANY things in regards to covid and everything else. He doesn't claim to be an expert, though he's certainly interviewed many, but he is entitled to his opinion either way.
And I don't believe knowledge is some gnostic source that only experts have privy to. Even the layman can form a qualified opinion for his or her self. Gate-keeping access to information and appealing to authority/credentialism is a disease - how very Romanism-esque of the left to do so. Try as he might, the manlet that is Brian Stelter and his other shills try to make the case that 'do your own research' is a bad term, done by bad people (heretics). Aren't the lefties all about luciferianism (in spirit at least) anyways - wanting knowledge for all? And I know you HATE gate-keeping.... or does that only apply to identity politics?
Skepticism about the Moon Landing being faked can't be compared to what he's doing on his podcast in regards to this topic.
He's not "doing" anything. Skepticism isn't a bad thing either, as it were, it's very scientific. We actually haven't seen a healthy, science-backed, skeptic response to the covid response in the left/media/gov response. It's shame it falls on fringe elements such as a guy that used to commonly host Eddie Bravo. Your media darlings have inadvertently made even Alex Jones more right than ever more and more, and that's saying a lot.
What CNN is or isn't doing doesn't matter to me, I'm a listener and I know what I hear.
It matters in the sense that the popular narrative has been formed BY the likes of CNN and similar sources. And that CNN wishes to put pressure on what is effectively an economic rival, with their own vested self-interests/conflicts, to... gate-keep. Right or wrong. It's relevant in that regard, because it has become a part of the story, and the pushback on Rogan and calls to censor him.
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