American Politics

[Sanity Check]

It's like when we bring up police brutality and Republicans say "Yeah, well maybe you blacks should just stop committing crime? You ever think about THAT!?"

Isn't that right @Sanity Check?

A true republican might retort:

"A shinobi must see underneath the underneath."

 

[Newkerzy]

I don't know what the objective is. I know what will be claimed as objectives for both sides, but behaviors for both makes it seem like they are more concerned with the killing leading up to those objectives.

Hence why I even asked the question in the first place….

I pretty much reject the notion that what's happening on the ground right now is because Palestinians have never been able to elect a functioning government that has people's best interests in mind. These airstrikes.... no, it doesn't matter to me whether Hamas uses civilians or civilian dwellings as cover or not. It's simply not a good enough reason to blow up one of the few hospitals in a warzone just because of a hunch. In fact, the suggestion that Hamas does this really only exists as justification ex post facto for Israel killing Palestinians indiscriminately. The same with giving a million+ people in North Gaza less than a day to move south and then bombing escape routes anyway.

I’m not trying to say that the lack of a functioning Palestine government is the ONLY reason that this is even happening in the first place, it’s simply just one of MANY fucked up reasons why we have the world’s greatest shitshow. The only reason why I even bring it up is because this is so often overlooked in discussions regarding Middle East diplomacy.

 

[ninjabot]

Some good news to change the mood in here.

This coward waited til a day before her trial to plead guilty. Hopefully this is in exchange for her witness testimony against Trump, and everyone else in trouble are granted deals as well so they can turn on him collectively.

I am disappointed we didn't get a trial, but I never expected one anyway.

 

[Heero Yuy]

Hence why I even asked the question in the first place….



I’m not trying to say that the lack of a functioning Palestine government is the ONLY reason that this is even happening in the first place, it’s simply just one of MANY fucked up reasons why we have the world’s greatest shitshow. The only reason why I even bring it up is because this is so often overlooked in discussions regarding Middle East diplomacy.

How you saying that lmfao, Palestinians could never make a government to begin with legit since as early as 1947-48, Palestinians literally have lost any right to create anything, like people claim both sides are wrong and oppressing each other, nah bro only one side is, how is it that Israel has Palestinians right over food and water supplies, the internet and electricity, BUILT A WALL round the Gaza strip, and in the West Bank, you ARE treated like garbage if you're a Palestinian or the FACT THAT Jerusalem is SUPPOSED TO BE AN INTERNATIONAL ZONE, AND YET Israelis are destroying mosques, any muslim establishment and get away scotch free like dudes had the fucking audacity to burn down mosques during Ramadan but continue to its one overlooked when they could never from the start cuz that would require a two state solution something that the British decided to give without consulting the Palestinians and just let fucking Zionists reign free which btw is literally just Nazis

 

[ninjabot]

cuz that would require a two state solution something that the British decided to give without consulting the Palestinians and just let fucking Zionists reign free which btw is literally just Nazis

Zionists are Nazis? Is that what you said? There wasn't a single period in your sentence so I can't tell when one point begins or ends, but this part stood out.

 

[Heero Yuy]

Zionists are Nazis? Is that what you said? There wasn't a single period in your sentence so I can't tell when one point begins or ends, but this part stood out.

Yes it is and just like how you have multiply south africans in agreement of what Isreal is doing is an Apartheid and who knows better then what that is, the people who experienced like just alone in the comments which are recent in this video that is from two years ago talking about how the requirements for an Apartheid state, Isreal checks off every. single. box.

 

[xi0]

I’m not trying to say that the lack of a functioning Palestine government is the ONLY reason that this is even happening in the first place, it’s simply just one of MANY fucked up reasons why we have the world’s greatest shitshow. The only reason why I even bring it up is because this is so often overlooked in discussions regarding Middle East diplomacy.

I'm not sure if it's really that overlooked, but it's still a factor that the Israeli government has had undue influence over, just like anything else with the Palestinians. The current separation between Gaza and The West Bank is by Israeli design, which is a huge roadblock to unity. They don't really have much in the way of self-determination so I usually find it difficult to lay some sort of equal portion of the blame for this or that.

 

[M3J]

Do people still trust Israel? I mean, they've been caught lying so many times on Twitter, and I've never seen any governmental figure get fact checked the way they have other than Trump.

While Hamas for the most part are horrible, they shouldn't be used to judge Palestine. Hell, they were created in the first place in response to Israel's cruelty and violence, but no one wants to talk about that. or how Israel, despite having so much power, keeps committing so many acts of terrorism against the Palestinians.

 

[Newkerzy]

I'm not sure if it's really that overlooked, but it's still a factor that the Israeli government has had undue influence over, just like anything else with the Palestinians. The current separation between Gaza and The West Bank is by Israeli design, which is a huge roadblock to unity. They don't really have much in the way of self-determination so I usually find it difficult to lay some sort of equal portion of the blame for this or that.

I’m not gonna deny that Israel probably has an influence of some sort over that, it’s just that at this point the Palestinians should be able to recognize that they’re being led through the nose by Israel. An ineffective government is exactly what Israel wants, and it’s time they figured that out.

 

[xi0]

I’m not gonna deny that Israel probably has an influence of some sort over that, it’s just that at this point the Palestinians should be able to recognize that they’re being led through the nose by Israel. An ineffective government is exactly what Israel wants, and it’s time they figured that out.

It's not really "an influence". Any official put into a position of power is kneecapped by the fact that they have next to no control over their own infrastructure in Gaza. Food, Water, and Electricity are all controlled by the Israeli Government. Meanwhile in the West Bank, Palestinian land is stolen regularly backed up by government-armed settlers or the IDF themselves. What is it that they need to figure out? You could remove Hamas tomorrow and have the Palestinians be the "perfect victim" that seemingly the majority of the world insists they be and Israel's policies towards them wouldn't change. So again, what can the Palestinians do about it really?

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A sticking point with the current Palestinian government is they've been postponing elections due to East Jerusalem not being included. Of course Hamas doesn't care about this because Fatah is control of the West Bank and they hope to make inroads there if the largest population center in the West Bank is excluded.

 

[Newkerzy]

It's not really "an influence". Any official put into a position of power is kneecapped by the fact that they have next to no control over their own infrastructure in Gaza. Food, Water, and Electricity are all controlled by the Israeli Government. Meanwhile in the West Bank, Palestinian land is stolen regularly backed up by government-armed settlers or the IDF themselves. What is it that they need to figure out? You could remove Hamas tomorrow and have the Palestinians be the "perfect victim" that seemingly the majority of the world insists they be and Israel's policies towards them wouldn't change. So again, what can the Palestinians do about it really?


A sticking point with the current Palestinian government is they've been postponing elections due to East Jerusalem not being included. Of course Hamas doesn't care about this because Fatah is control of the West Bank and they hope to make inroads there if the largest population center in the West Bank is excluded.

It really just comes down to a matter of trust. How does Palestine’s allies believe that their support will reach their intended target without any official mucking it up? I just see that there’s not a lot of faith that whatever support they will lend will be used appropriately.

I can’t really comment on the Hamas-Fatah relationship since I still need to read up on those. I stress that Israel’s greatest fear is Hamas and Fatah putting aside their differences to truly unite against them. That’s why it’s beneficial for Israel that Palestine remains in the status quo.

 

[ninjabot]

I followed Sidney Powell on twitter when this drama occurred.

Sidney Powell tried to speak officially for Trump on social media.

It seemed like she was never part of Trump's team. They ignored and disavowed her off early on.

You can see indications of it in this piece published by wallstreet journal in 2020.

Sidney Powell Not Part of Trump’s Legal Team, Says Rudy Giuliani

Sidney Powell is an attorney who appeared in public arguing for the president at a press conference at Republican National Committee headquarters last week.

www.wsj.com

How legitimate of a case do they have here? I guess we shall see.

No, it seemed like she was always a member of Trump's team until she started saying loudly and confidently that there was definitely a Kraken sized evidence dump coming to prove that the election was stolen and Dominion was a corrupt voting machine corporation that radical left commie Demon-crats used to do it (hence the lawsuit).

Giuliani was a lot more careful with his wording than she was, making sure not to make positive claims in an official manner. Even Trump was careful enough to be vague in at least some of his assertions.

 

[Sanity Check]

No, it seemed like she was always a member of Trump's team until she started saying loudly and confidently that there was definitely a Kraken sized evidence dump coming to prove that the election was stolen and Dominion was a corrupt voting machine corporation that radical left commie Demon-crats used to do it (hence the lawsuit).

Giuliani was a lot more careful with his wording than she was, making sure not to make positive claims in an official manner. Even Trump was careful enough to be vague in at least some of his assertions.

I never liked the people supporting Sidney Powell in 2020.

There aren't any legit republicans, conservatives or Trump voters who like her.

Only democrats like her content.

 

[ninjabot]

I never liked the people supporting Sidney Powell in 2020.

There aren't any legit republicans, conservatives or Trump voters who like her.

Only democrats like her content.

That's a no true Scotsman fallacy, you know that right? You can't just say the people that like her and identify as conservative aren't "real" conservatives because you dont like them representing the republican party. They know what they believe and who they trust.

 

[xi0]

That's a no true Scotsman fallacy, you know that right? You can't just say the people that like her and identify as conservative aren't "real" conservatives because you dont like them representing the republican party. They know what they believe and who they trust.

It's by far his favorite fallacy. He's truly dedicated to it, so I do have admiration for that in a way...

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It really just comes down to a matter of trust. How does Palestine’s allies believe that their support will reach their intended target without any official mucking it up? I just see that there’s not a lot of faith that whatever support they will lend will be used appropriately.

I can’t really comment on the Hamas-Fatah relationship since I still need to read up on those. I stress that Israel’s greatest fear is Hamas and Fatah putting aside their differences to truly unite against them. That’s why it’s beneficial for Israel that Palestine remains in the status quo.

Well as far as Gaza goes, there's only so many things that can even get past the blockade. So it's yet again still not about whatever faith these allies might have in them as long as Israel is able to intervene however they want.

 

[Newkerzy]

Well as far as Gaza goes, there's only so many things that can even get past the blockade. So it's yet again still not about whatever faith these allies might have in them as long as Israel is able to intervene however they want.

More or less. My point still stands, though. What little aid gets through be it through back channels or whatever, Palestine supporters are going to want some level of accountability for that. And if someone mucks it up, how are they going to trust in whatever authority is running the place?

 

[Sanity Check]

That's a no true Scotsman fallacy, you know that right? You can't just say the people that like her and identify as conservative aren't "real" conservatives because you dont like them representing the republican party. They know what they believe and who they trust.

It's by far his favorite fallacy. He's truly dedicated to it, so I do have admiration for that in a way...

1. I claim credible right wingers do not endorse or support Sidney Powell.

2. If you disagree provide evidence of credible right wingers endorsing her. (Easy to obtain if it exists.)

3. The end.

 

[ninjabot]

Sigh. I missed you so much.

Don't leave me again Sanity Check. It was so boring here without you

1. I claim credible right wingers do not endorse or support Sidney Powell.

Yep, that is a claim alright.

And you know what a claim brings with it? A burden of proof. So... back up your claim.

:3

2. If you disagree provide evidence of credible right wingers endorsing her. (Easy to obtain if it exists.)

Nice try, but I didn't make the positive assertion that "credible right wingers endorse Sidney Powell". That was never my claim, so I don't have to prove that. All I've gotta do is prove to you that self-proclaimed Republicans endorsed her, because that is what I said: Republicans endorsed her.

So, CAN I prove Republicans endorsed her? I dunno. You tell me. Behold: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-dominion-voting-systems-false-accusation/


"There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised," said a statement posted Thursday by the federal agency that oversees election security, the Cybersecurity & Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA). The joint statement, from the Election Infrastructure Government Coordinating Council and the Election Infrastructure Sector Coordinating Executive Committees, called the 2020 election "the most secure in American history."

Nevertheless, the president on Thursday tweeted an unsubstantiated story from the pro-Trump One America News Network that Dominion "deleted 2.7 million Trump votes nationwide," citing "data analysis."

So, I'd say Donald Trump would be one self-professed Republican. He should count. Right? How about his lawyer then? Since you said Sidney isn't on the team, let's get word from someone who was on the team:

The unsubstantiated OANN report included commentary from Mr. Trump's personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani, who claimed without evidence that the error was widespread. "We have a complete breakdown of a software system called Dominion, in which in Antrim County Biden won on election night, only to find out that the software didn't work and it reversed the vote," Giuliani told OANN on Tuesday. "That Dominion technology was used in three-quarters to almost 80% of the state. So now we've got to look at how often did it breakdown in other parts of the state

So there's another Republican. I reckon he counts.

And then there's the portion of the country that still think the election was stolen. Not the entirety of the Republican party, but only the crazy ones. So that's 1... 2... and then a couple million for you.

That enough?

3. The end.

It won't be the end until we put that motherfucker UNDER a prison. And it won't be the end then either, because we still have to deal with the cult he left behind.

 

[Sanity Check]

Ok.

I'm done.

I'm not here to argue or convince anyone to rethink things anymore.

No more adversarial nonsense.

We're having conversations where we mutually respect each other, or not at all.

 

[Raven]

Do people still trust Israel? I mean, they've been caught lying so many times on Twitter, and I've never seen any governmental figure get fact checked the way they have other than Trump.

low iq republicans for the most part. They running with any israeli fake propaganda
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