There's a lot I dislike about woke politics (most importantly that's it's absurd to build the entirety of your political platform over increasingly marginal minorities) but even then my brain couldn't quite grasp that the the sheer hatred these folk feel for anything even tangential to woke is so out of control that they'd applaud the honest to god end of democracy and governance just for a chance to own the libs.
Well this might come as a shock to you what with me kicking all the Leftists in here while they're down over the past few months but: I'm SUPER woke. Incredibly woke. So woke that back when woke was called SJW, I called myself an SJW.
I love fighting for minorities and pissing off mediocre white men. When white characters are turned black, gay, and trans in movies and comic books, it makes me smile unconditionally because it's pissing off bad people.
But...
I'm also practical and know when to reign it in in places where being so woke will endanger the main people I advocate for. And the Leftists haven't learned that strategy yet. There's this thing where being unapologetically extra KEEPS bouncing back to make life worse for them and their response is to double down. It's insane. Like religious zealotry.
I WILL say however, to the conservatives that haven't realized what's going to happen in the future yet: they're giving the progressives the boogeyman they want. They're making them right by perpetuating the stereotype and being the Saturday Morning Cartoon villains that we paint them as. Hell, we already believed every problem in the world was because of ignorant old white men with too much money (who want more) and too little empathy (and a weird glee about destroying the lives of average people) and well... now we've got textbook examples in real-time.
Well this might come as a shock to you what with me kicking all the Leftists in here while they're down over the past few months but: I'm SUPER woke. Incredibly woke. So woke that back when woke was called SJW, I called myself an SJW.
I love fighting for minorities and pissing off mediocre white men. When white characters are turned black, gay, and trans in movies and comic books, it makes me smile unconditionally because it's pissing off bad people.
But...
I'm also practical and know when to reign it in in places where being so woke will endanger the main people I advocate for. And the Leftists haven't learned that strategy yet. There's this thing where being unapologetically extra KEEPS bouncing back to make life worse for them and their response is to double down. It's insane. Like religious zealotry.
I WILL say however, to the conservatives that haven't realized what's going to happen in the future yet: they're giving the progressives the boogeyman they want. They're making them right by perpetuating the stereotype and being the Saturday Morning Cartoon villains that we paint them as. Hell, we already believed every problem in the world was because of ignorant old white men with too much money (who want more) and too little empathy (and a weird glee about destroying the lives of average people) and well... now we've got textbook examples in real-time.
I mean, that's not really different from the whole owning the libs mindset. Maybe the difference is that you maybe hate them less than they hate you since you aren't willing to tank democracy for a laugh. Add to that, these sort of politics can't be practical. By definition. If democrats build their entire platform around 10%, 5% or 0.1% then it doesn't matter if that percentage is rich people,/black people or trans people. Even if they get their way they merely helped a small percentage of people. Which as far as policy goes is dumb. This just isn't going to loop into people going "omg progressives were right all along" because this is about owning people you don't like, not about the economy or housing or groceries.
Add to that, these sort of politics can't be practical. By definition. If democrats build their entire platform around 10%, 5% or 0.1% then it doesn't matter if that percentage is rich people,/black people or trans people. Even if they get their way they merely helped a small percentage of people. Which as far as policy goes is dumb. This just isn't going to loop into people going "omg progressives were right all along" because this is about owning people you don't like, not about the economy or housing or groceries.
Well, yeah. That's why the best bet for Dems gaining power again is the people turning against Republicans and saying "these past 4 years hurt, so we need a change." Just like what happened in 2020. Just like what happened in 2024. We can't hope for them to transform into decent human beings. We can't hope that they'll do better. Be better. We need them to hurt so much they change for themselves.
Unfortunately I've gotta suffer through the same shitty economy that they have to, but at least I get to gloat about them getting what they voted for. While simultaneously gloating about Leftists seeing how much their protest votes got them.
So, a Palestinian was arrested by ICE with Columbia University's assistance and threatened to be deported, and this might be a precedent for republicans trying to arrest and deport citizens themselves for criticisms or whatnot. Biden started/allowed this, and Trump took us even deeper into fascism. It's scary.
Well, yeah. That's why the best bet for Dems gaining power again is the people turning against Republicans and saying "these past 4 years hurt, so we need a change." Just like what happened in 2020. Just like what happened in 2024. We can't hope for them to transform into decent human beings. We can't hope that they'll do better. Be better. We need them to hurt so much they change for themselves.
Unfortunately I've gotta suffer through the same shitty economy that they have to, but at least I get to gloat about them getting what they voted for. While simultaneously gloating about Leftists seeing how much their protest votes got them.
I think you vastly overestimate your capacity to outlast the maga crowd in this regard. These folk being ostracized by media and ignored by politicians is what created them to begin with (along with a well oiled machine of foreign propaganda). Maga aren't a tiny ass minority, there's 100 million of them. And this elections democrats looked back on trump's and biden's and went "meh". Gen z for whatever reason is apparently pretty conservative. I don't expect trump to remain particularly popular over time but biden doing all the supposedly non trump stuff he was supposed to do was less popular than trump ever was through most of his term. Hoping that a few years from now reality sort of just hits and they collectively deprogram themselves seems.... unjustified.
These folk being ostracized by media and ignored by politicians is what created them to begin with (along with a well oiled machine of foreign propaganda).
Which is literally what's happening right now. Trump voters are begging for financial relief and Trump is just saying "trust me bro, it's all according to keikaku". The person that was supposed to make America great again is making it poorer, abandoning it's allies, cuddling up to it's enemies, and enriching rich people at the expense of the average American. There's no one listening to their pleas now except people like me that are screaming "This is what you fucking deserve!"
Maga aren't a tiny ass minority, there's 100 million of them. And this elections democrats looked back on trump's and biden's and went "meh". Gen z for whatever reason is apparently pretty conservative. I don't expect trump to remain particularly popular over time but biden doing all the supposedly non trump stuff he was supposed to do was less popular than trump ever was through most of his term. Hoping that a few years from now reality sort of just hits and they collectively deprogram themselves seems.... unjustified.
Gen Z is conservative because all the masculine activities are conservatively coded, attracting them over to their side and thus, the women they are involved with romantically follow along with them. To the extent that there are women that are becoming conservative, it's the women that want traditional lives of subservient homemaking, no the ones that are college educated and self motivated.
And don't get me wrong: I'm not hoping they all reprogram. They can't. All they can do is follow the same programming that's already hardwired into them right now that says "Follow the team that is different from whatever bad team you're suffering with now."
People won't change, but living conditions will. And that's what will change votes. Like it has for the past few elections. Covid beat Trump in 2020. Economy (NOT GAZA) beat Biden in 2024. Economy, plus destroyed global relations and alliances will beat Republicans in 2028. UNLESS... things turn around and the economy becomes so good sways the average Republican, or there's a Republican candidate that is anti-MAGA and uses Trump's fuckups as his stoop speech, which I absolutely do not expect.
Ouch. Republican Representative Tom Barrett held a tele-town hall with his constituents in his swing district in Michigan on Monday and ran a survey asking if they support DOGE. 70% of the participants said they do not.
I’m hitting the road, traveling to red states across the country to lend a megaphone to the people. Your congressman may not want to listen, but they’re going to hear from us anyway. https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/12/politics/tim-walz-national-tour-town-halls/index.html
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AOC, Bernie, and now Tim.
They're trying. And what's better, they're trying this in Red states where the politicians are too afraid to talk to their constituents. They're filling the void that the Right are leaving among their own people. We need more of this.
They're trying. And what's better, they're trying this in Red states where the politicians are too afraid to talk to their constituents. They're filling the void that the Right are leaving among their own people. We need more of this.
But he said when Democrats are “just being a foil to Trump, we are not crossing into that space we need to, to have them believe us, to know what we stand for.”
Sort of. I’m also pragmatic enough in the sense that if it does not fulfill the intended effect, I will also rail against it.
For example, there’s talk of gender-bending James Bond. Why? What purpose does it fulfill from a narrative standpoint? Those are the questions that need to be asked first before we start all those stuff.
(Race-bending Bond makes more sense imo, since the name is a mere codename)
Sort of. I’m also pragmatic enough in the sense that if it does not fulfill the intended effect, I will also rail against it.
For example, there’s talk of gender-bending James Bond. Why? What purpose does it fulfill from a narrative standpoint? Those are the questions that need to be asked first before we start all those stuff.
(Race-bending Bond makes more sense imo, since the name is a mere codename)
That doesn't bother me at all because the intended effect is always to entertain. Woman can use the same codenames as men as long as they're gender neutral. There are so many ways to have a female Bond that doesn't hinder lore since all the different Bonds are soft reboots of the character and some change established canon for their own purposes. Just call it a re-imagining and keep it pushing.
That doesn't bother me at all because the intended effect is always to entertain. Woman can use the same codenames as men as long as they're gender neutral. There are so many ways to have a female Bond that doesn't hinder lore since all the different Bonds are soft reboots of the character and some change established canon for their own purposes. Just call it a re-imagining and keep it pushing.
In a way, I agree with you. Just not in the way you think. The writers and producers of whatever Bond movie comes out, have to be able to sell this vision to everyone so they don’t come across as lazy.
So, as far as tyranny goes... It definitely has to be said that trump is authoritarian, not just some inept republican or libertarian. Destroying the state, destroying checks and balances and using the state against those he and his cronies/masters do not like is his very aim. He cannot do it as well as someone who is longer in the game like Erdogan or Putin yet, but he is trying his best to get there. Both with official means (police and judges) but also inofficial means (violence by his supporters).
Trump is not a normal parliamentary opponent like Bush (who is a war criminal and implemented some authoritarian means like the patriot act and who likely somewhat cheated in his election, but also never tried to force total control or jail all his personal enemies in particulary). Democrats right now (and people opposed to this, too) have to understand that the Maga movement is an enemy of them and an enemy of the american nation. And that is also why I find it so absurd and wrong how gavin newsom meets nazis like steve bannon to have a chill talk with them. It has no tactical purpose and it sends the sign that this is still a normal political debate between two generally rational parties with different agendas. But that is not the case, right now, behavior like that is treachery.
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We will see very soon whether senate democrats decide that this is a fight against fascism or just a normal government shutdown that just requires a little posturing before they agree.
If they decide to yield, they cannot expect the people who are afraid of trump to trust them, why would they?
Trump is not a normal evil republican president like nixon. The rule of law in America is getting erodedwith every day he is in office and it isnt clear whether it can hold out long enough.
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And there we go. Moderate Democrats betrayed Democracy once again. Because, as I keep saying, they have no actual convictions and cannot be trusted. Their strategic ideas are copes for not doing the right thing out of fear or greed.
Guess this continues the trend of mainstream democrats craving for MAGA approval. Great.
Time to primary Schumer. *shrugs* There's nothing he could do that could redeem what he's just done. He's gotta go. Even if he could 180 on this decision the idea he could come to this decision to begin with means we don't need him around.
We need to get rid of all moderate Democrats. They're the main reason Dems lost 2016 and 2024, and as long as they hold office, they're likely going to keep hurting Dems. They will take down USA if it meant them getting wealthier.
Yes. It also has to be said: Right now, it is leftist democrats leading the charge.
Bernie, AOC, Warren, Walz (who is at least very pro worker) are drawing crowds and fighting already for the house/senate races.
And it is moderate democrats like Chuck Schumer who fold to republicans and like newsom who invite nazis for mutual podcasts.
If moderate dems are going to fold to fascism, they should at least make way right now for the people who will try to fight it.
Leftist democrats are leading the charge right now, I agree. But you seem to have already forgotten that they've only remained relevant by being more moderate over time. AOC has moderated a lot in her behavior. FFS, she took the pronouns outta her bio long before the election. She claims she did it to save space on the profile, but it aligns with her political positions seeming less and less radical over time.
Bernie, AOC, Warren, Walz (who is at least very pro worker) are drawing crowds and fighting already for the house/senate races.
And it is moderate democrats like Chuck Schumer who fold to republicans and like newsom who invite nazis for mutual podcasts.
Of course, but there's nothing Leftist about that. The Right has become the party of the working class over the election, but now they're being screwed by their choice, and AOC, Warren, and Walz are stepping in to take advantage of that by talking to these people. Which is the plan that Third Way had in the first place, so everything's going according to moderate plan. If they were acting like real Leftists they wouldn't be reaching across to the Right to try to deradicalize people. They'd be too busy morally grandstanding and talking down to these voters.
If moderate dems are going to fold to fascism, they should at least make way right now for the people who will try to fight it.
@ninjabot Not including pronouns has nothing to do with being left or not. Those are cosmetics.
The question is: Do you sell out minorities or the people who supported you for political gain? Bernie Sanders has not wavered on taxation of wealth, on support of lgbtq people or on support of the poor, Never once in his career. And I hope the same will be tr ue for AoC. Nobody on the left cares whether she includes pronouns. But the day she does what Newsom did and sits down with an anti trans activist to mock trans athletes will be the day she stops being trustworthy. And I do not think she would do that, because leftists usually understand that they should not fraternize with actual fascist for shortterm brownie points. Because that undermines trust.
The reason the people who lead the charge right now can do that is because they are the only ones in the Democratic who have any trust left. Nobody in their right mind trusts the Schumers and the Newsoms, because they have proven that they sell out groups they claimed to fight for if it makes political sense to them. And Bernie and AOC have provent he opposite. They ate criticism to fight for what they believed was right.
The moderates tend to just not have very strong convictions at all. Even in the face of fascism, lots of them think it is time for bipartisanship and friendly talks with the fascists. No leftist thinks that.
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