American Politics

[SharkBait]

And say goodbye to Carly Fiorina. She could never get rid of the kicked out CEO of HP from her campaign.

 

[M3J]

Chris Christie is a piece of shit, and so is Carly Fiorina. Good riddance. Last thing the country needs is a president who was played a part in causing a traffic jam out of revenge or a president who was willing to hijack a school trip to make kids oppose abortion. Now if only Trump and Cruz could bow out of the race. Rubio shouldn't be hard to beat if it comes to him vs. Bernie or Clinton.

 

[SharkBait]

NH gave Rubio 3 delegates so he has 10 total. He's in 3rd behind Cruz and Trump.

 

[Drmke]

And socialism won't necessarily bankrupt the US. All countries on earth are to a degree socialist, as in, there is a degree of government intervention.

This is important to talk about. Important in that it is a myth that progressives circulate in an attempt to "make socialism work" for their needs. I'm not saying you are doing this consciously, but the origin of the argument is shady.

Socialism is not government control. By this logic, kingdoms would be socialist, Rome would be socialist, Nazi Germany would be socialist, or even Tsarist Russia. Governments anywhere on the spectrum can control society and economics without touching socialism. Intent matters.

Socialism is the democratic control of the means of economic production in a society. Democratic Socialism, as it's called in almost exclusively non-socialist countries, is welfare state capitalism. It's the idea that profits and individual ownership should be the structure of the society but we also should we ensure the population can easily live above the basic standards of living. It only seems radical because our politics have drifted so far Right over the last 40 years.

 

[M3J]

Socialism is wrong though because Russia was socialist and ended up destroying themselves. Plus, communists are socialists, and fuck communism!


!!!

 

[SharkBait]

Any economic style that lets the lazy live off of handouts is a system we dont need. The current way in America just needs to be modified to reward hard working successful people and all will be right.

 

[M3J]

Once again, showing your ignorance here.

 

[kkck]

This is important to talk about. Important in that it is a myth that progressives circulate in an attempt to "make socialism work" for their needs. I'm not saying you are doing this consciously, but the origin of the argument is shady.

Socialism is not government control. By this logic, kingdoms would be socialist, Rome would be socialist, Nazi Germany would be socialist, or even Tsarist Russia. Governments anywhere on the spectrum can control society and economics without touching socialism. Intent matters.

Socialism is the democratic control of the means of economic production in a society. Democratic Socialism, as it's called in almost exclusively non-socialist countries, is welfare state capitalism. It's the idea that profits and individual ownership should be the structure of the society but we also should we ensure the population can easily live above the basic standards of living. It only seems radical because our politics have drifted so far Right over the last 40 years.

Socialism as a whole doesn't have a single objective definition, there are also a number of ideological aspects which are usually included in the definition which are not immediately obvious. You could refer to something as specific as what you mention in your post but if the definition is limited to only that then nothing would ever be truly socialist, specially nowadays. Even "government control" is a relative term. With this in mind in this type of discussions I would argue whats important is the context in which the word is being used rather than it's exact definition (which in many ways simply doesn't exist). Otherwise you are simply arguing what the name of something is. Which might have relevance because certain words might or not have negative connotation to some people but that would miss the point of what is being discussed as well.

 

[M3J]

I actually see nothing wrong with handouts, the goal should be to help citizens prosper. Those who want to prosper will prosper and not get handouts anymore, while those who get handouts will be able to eat. You can't be pro-life and not want to people to have food and shelter or not want to accept refugees who are in danger. but then again, republicans seem to be contradictory nowadays.

 

[SharkBait]

I actually see nothing wrong with handouts, the goal should be to help citizens prosper. Those who want to prosper will prosper and not get handouts anymore, while those who get handouts will be able to eat. You can't be pro-life and not want to people to have food and shelter or not want to accept refugees who are in danger. but then again, republicans seem to be contradictory nowadays.

Why should I, as a hardworking successful person, want to see money go towards helping lazy people get free handouts that I pay for? Its not right nor fair. After toiling all day mentally and physically going out and seeing people who flip burgers, wait tables, or fold clothes or just do nothing getting discounts on food or healthcare or housing assistance makes me sore vexed. Its really unfair. Expanding a system to give them even more benefits like a doubled wage, free college, and more is wrong. There is nothing being done to help successful people. What handouts do successful people get? None.

Refusing refugees is sensible. They security liabilites waiting to go off. Example

 

[M3J]

Why should I, as a hardworking successful person, want to see money go towards helping lazy people get free handouts that I pay for? Its not right nor fair. After toiling all day mentally and physically going out and seeing people who flip burgers, wait tables, or fold clothes or just do nothing getting discounts on food or healthcare or housing assistance makes me sore vexed. Its really unfair. Expanding a system to give them even more benefits like a doubled wage, free college, and more is wrong. There is nothing being done to help successful people. What handouts do successful people get? None.

Refusing refugees is sensible. They security liabilites waiting to go off. Example

Can you prove majority of them are lazy? Would you call someone who's working more than two jobs but still unable to make ends meet lazy? Or someone who applies to different jobs every day but gets denied lazy? Can you prove you are hardworking? Do you go above and beyond at your work? Do you take on extra work when you don't have to? Do you do the bare minimum, nor even that if you can get away with it? What do you do that makes you claim you work hard?

It's unfair that they live on minimum wage or even lower than minimum wage and have to struggle hard while a successful person can live easy and not even have to work hard to make millions of dollars. Why would successful people need handouts anyway? Do you even understand the concept of handouts? They're not for people who can afford to buy luxury cars or go on a vacation without a worry, handouts are for people who struggle and need help. There's plenty being done to help successful people - if they commit a crime they can afford a good lawyer or use their connections to either reduce their punishment or get away free.


How are they security liabilities waiting to go off when nothing indicates that the suicide bombers were refugees? You can't criticize refugees and act as if citizens are good and law-abiding. Man, you republicans are truly a cancer to society. Not only are republicans full of hypocrisy, but majority of its people are extremely ignorant and selfish. The democrat sides have its fair share of problems, but the republicans are truly scum. Republican politicians will lie out of their asses, and the supporters will eat it up because they're too stupid to use their brains or fact check. No wonder why America is in a decline - a republican president screwed things up, and the republican controlled congress (and to an extent, democrats) is making it even worse.

 

[SharkBait]

Can you prove majority of them are lazy? Would you call someone who's working more than two jobs but still unable to make ends meet lazy? Or someone who applies to different jobs every day but gets denied lazy? Can you prove you are hardworking? Do you go above and beyond at your work? Do you take on extra work when you don't have to? Do you do the bare minimum, nor even that if you can get away with it? What do you do that makes you claim you work hard?

It's unfair that they live on minimum wage or even lower than minimum wage and have to struggle hard while a successful person can live easy and not even have to work hard to make millions of dollars. Why would successful people need handouts anyway? Do you even understand the concept of handouts? They're not for people who can afford to buy luxury cars or go on a vacation without a worry, handouts are for people who struggle and need help. There's plenty being done to help successful people - if they commit a crime they can afford a good lawyer or use their connections to either reduce their punishment or get away free.

Waiting on tables, flipping burgers, greeting people at the door to a supercenter, or even folding clothes isn't exactly hard work. These are tasks that dont take much brain power or even much in the way of doing anything strenuous. Ive never seen people get stress headaches or other issues related to working with brain power in these jobs. Most are so simple even high schools can do such jobs. These are just really lazy jobs and lazy people are in these jobs. Even if one is working multiple ones to get by then something is wrong, like a bad lifestyle decision was made at some point in time. Anyone has equal opportunity to work and find a way into a respectable job that provides financial stability in the context of today's economic marketplace thats full of opportunity. I dont see it as unfair when successful people have put in the time to work to get this sort of financial stability in todays marketplace. If you put in the work to be successful then its is only fair that you are rewarded with financial stability. If you are lazy then its only fair that one only gets a wage that corresponds to their type of output. These jobs don't even provide some sort of life changing revelation, successful jobs with well pay reward with life changes too, Doctors change lives, educators introduce people to a brand new world, scientists and engineers enhance the way of life, it is very fair that these people are rewarded with good pay while those doing mundane jobs are not. These people are the ones who deserve to be the most helped, discounts on purchases, discounts on health care, access to better healthcare, discounts of food and housing, discounts on the very basic needs in life.

How are they security liabilities waiting to go off when nothing indicates that the suicide bombers were refugees? You can't criticize refugees and act as if citizens are good and law-abiding.

Refugees dont have the same morals that we in America have so they are unruly and waiting to incite chaos the moment eyes are off of them. This event could happen in America with the democrats and your plans to expand or even greatly increase the number of Muslim refugees to come into this country. Look at the pictures and videos of the refugees barging into countries, tearing down their fences, and rushing across borders ignoring the officers warnings. Look at them hold hostage to trains and other convoys leading into Europe, scaling cliff faces and crowding on ships. With all this unchecked one wonders if countries are truly going to be safe with all these refugees. America needs to close the borders to refugees in order for us to remain free from security liabilities.

If one of your coworkers was a refugee or someone you were with while eating at your favorite restaurant, wouldn't you be afraid?

 

[xi0]

Refugees dont have the same morals that we in America have so they are unruly and waiting to incite chaos the moment eyes are off of them. This event could happen in America with the democrats and your plans to expand or even greatly increase the number of Muslim refugees to come into this country. Look at the pictures and videos of the refugees barging into countries, tearing down their fences, and rushing across borders ignoring the officers warnings. Look at them hold hostage to trains and other convoys leading into Europe, scaling cliff faces and crowding on ships. With all this unchecked one wonders if countries are truly going to be safe with all these refugees. America needs to close the borders to refugees in order for us to remain free from security liabilities.

If one of your coworkers was a refugee or someone you were with while eating at your favorite restaurant, wouldn't you be afraid?

This premise only works if you buy into the conservative-spewed horseshit that immigration is unchecked. The entire INS was absorbed into the Department of Homeland Security after 9/11, founded by GW Bush. It's never been more difficult to immigrate or even get a work visa in the US. Get your head out of the mainstream conservative bubble for once.

Europe has a completely different issue with the refugees because they're coming across land borders en masse. The US will never take in the same amount that any European nation does.

 

[M3J]

Waiting on tables, flipping burgers, greeting people at the door to a supercenter, or even folding clothes isn't exactly hard work. These are tasks that dont take much brain power or even much in the way of doing anything strenuous. Ive never seen people get stress headaches or other issues related to working with brain power in these jobs. Most are so simple even high schools can do such jobs. These are just really lazy jobs and lazy people are in these jobs. Even if one is working multiple ones to get by then something is wrong, like a bad lifestyle decision was made at some point in time. Anyone has equal opportunity to work and find a way into a respectable job that provides financial stability in the context of today's economic marketplace thats full of opportunity. I dont see it as unfair when successful people have put in the time to work to get this sort of financial stability in todays marketplace. If you put in the work to be successful then its is only fair that you are rewarded with financial stability. If you are lazy then its only fair that one only gets a wage that corresponds to their type of output. These jobs don't even provide some sort of life changing revelation, successful jobs with well pay reward with life changes too, Doctors change lives, educators introduce people to a brand new world, scientists and engineers enhance the way of life, it is very fair that these people are rewarded with good pay while those doing mundane jobs are not. These people are the ones who deserve to be the most helped, discounts on purchases, discounts on health care, access to better healthcare, discounts of food and housing, discounts on the very basic needs in life.

Have you waited on tables or flipped burgers? They're all hard work, and they're likely more difficult than sitting at a desk pushing pencils. I don't know where you heard that bullshit, but these aren't lazy jobs and most people aren't lazy. What about people in Wall Street who committed fraud and aren't being punished for it? People like them should be rewarded, but not workers in labor jobs just because you can sit on your ass and judge them as lazy?

It is very clear that you have not experienced life, and that you have been sheltered and likely not been allowed to see what real life is like. I don't know where you picked up these ideas, but they're such load of shit. There is no equal opportunity in the US, and anyone who says that is blind or lying. People like you with similar thoughts are why America can't grow. And if you were up to date on current events, you know the marketplace isn't full of opportunity, even though there are more jobs now than there were few years ago. People can put in 120% of the work and still fail while an incompetent worker can get hired just because he's connected to the CEO or an HR manager.

Aren't doctors paid well? And if I recall, Chris Christie, a republican, is screwing the teachers in NJ. And I don't see why they need the most help, or that you even understand what help and handouts are.

The more I see you post, the more ignorant and inexperienced in life I realize you are. This leads me to think most republicans are as ignorant, while young republican voters are inexperienced in life as well. No wonder why the candidates and politicians can easily brainwash the republican voters.

Refugees dont have the same morals that we in America have so they are unruly and waiting to incite chaos the moment eyes are off of them. This event could happen in America with the democrats and your plans to expand or even greatly increase the number of Muslim refugees to come into this country. Look at the pictures and videos of the refugees barging into countries, tearing down their fences, and rushing across borders ignoring the officers warnings. Look at them hold hostage to trains and other convoys leading into Europe, scaling cliff faces and crowding on ships. With all this unchecked one wonders if countries are truly going to be safe with all these refugees. America needs to close the borders to refugees in order for us to remain free from security liabilities.

If one of your coworkers was a refugee or someone you were with while eating at your favorite restaurant, wouldn't you be afraid?

Can you prove this? Do you have any evidence that refugees don't have the same morals? Or are you basing that on two or three violent refugees that Fox News covered? If what you say was true, we'd have hundreds of attacks and acts of terrorism from refugees in the US, but instead most of the attacks and acts of terrorism come from Americans, right wing Americans and black Americans. As long as guns are sold freely, white people stay dominant, and gangs are on the rise, the country will always have security liabilities. The refugees provide the least liabilities. You likely can't even name more than three attacks from refugees in the US.

And look at the amount of citizens attacking immigrants and refugees. Look at the Oslo shooter shooting at kids because he was against immigration. Look at a white man who shot three Muslim teenagers who were by all accounts good people. Look at a group of white supremacists who shot up a gurudwara and bombed (I think) another gurudwara. Look at a white supremacist who went into a church and shot black people who treated him well just to start a race war. Look at the amount of murders in Chicago and NYC in bad neighborhoods. You have no argument here, like usual, and like usual any you provide will be contradictory/hypocritical.

Oh, did you know that a Muslim group donated to the church that Dylann Roof shot up? And if the Muslims were as bad as you or other republican idiots keep saying, then there would be an attack in Philly after someone threw a pig's head at a mosque.

No, I would not be afraid. I know that they're safe and good, if they made it past the screenin process. I'd be more scared of a random white person shootin up the restaurant or a minority getting violent. As I said, statistics show that Americans are far more dangerous than refugees or Muslims in the US.


All republicans and Islamophobes will do is make even more enemies.

 

[SharkBait]

Have you waited on tables or flipped burgers? They're all hard work, and they're likely more difficult than sitting at a desk pushing pencils. I don't know where you heard that bullshit, but these aren't lazy jobs and most people aren't lazy. What about people in Wall Street who committed fraud and aren't being punished for it? People like them should be rewarded, but not workers in labor jobs just because you can sit on your ass and judge them as lazy?

It is very clear that you have not experienced life, and that you have been sheltered and likely not been allowed to see what real life is like. I don't know where you picked up these ideas, but they're such load of shit. There is no equal opportunity in the US, and anyone who says that is blind or lying. People like you with similar thoughts are why America can't grow. And if you were up to date on current events, you know the marketplace isn't full of opportunity, even though there are more jobs now than there were few years ago. People can put in 120% of the work and still fail while an incompetent worker can get hired just because he's connected to the CEO or an HR manager.

In high school, I worked at a fast food joint for two years to earn some money on the side. Never once did I think it was hard or used brain power or stressful. It isnt hard to talk to people, take and make an order, and pass it out to them. There are harder jobs out there that pay more that people ought to get instead of these easy lazy jobs. People on wall street put in the hard work to get there so why shouldnt they be rewarded? Last I checked it wasnt even easy or simple to get to become a wall street trader.

There is equal opportunity in America, just about everyone can go to college and get a job (if they choose an actually relevant major), we also have tons of simple certificate programs and other things for people who want to get higher level jobs that dont require a full four years of a degree granting institution, and numerous other type of institutions. The country is also extremely generous with providing funds for school, did you know people who are in very unfortunate economic situations can go to some universitys completely free?

Can you prove this? Do you have any evidence that refugees don't have the same morals? Or are you basing that on two or three violent refugees that Fox News covered? If what you say was true, we'd have hundreds of attacks and acts of terrorism from refugees in the US, but instead most of the attacks and acts of terrorism come from Americans, right wing Americans and black Americans. As long as guns are sold freely, white people stay dominant, and gangs are on the rise, the country will always have security liabilities. The refugees provide the least liabilities. You likely can't even name more than three attacks from refugees in the US.

There are legitimate security concerns with taking refugees and people who were past terrorists have been let in. And I quote
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A State Department spokesperson told FoxNews.com that “Of the three million refugees we have admitted to the United States since 1975, including nearly 785,000 refugees admitted to the U.S. since the events of 9/11, approximately a dozen -- a tiny fraction of one percent -- have either been arrested or removed from the United States due to security concerns that existed prior to their resettlement in the U.S."

"There are serious security concerns.The vast majority of Syrian refugees are legitimate victims of terror and persecution, but it only takes a handful of ISIS infiltrators hiding among them to bring the carnage we saw in Paris to our streets,” Marc Thiessen, American Enterprise Institute fellow and former senior policy adviser to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee chairman, told FoxNews.com."

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/11/2...-11-took-part-in-terror-plots-ring-false.html

I never said or implied that native Muslim followers were bad, I only suggested that further scrutiny of native Muslim followers must be conducted in order to ensure a secure and strong new american century occurs. We should be focusing on improving America before we focus on bolstering the numbers of people the country has to take care of.

Ive also yet to see any Democrat candidate propose doing anything about "domestic terrorism." For example, why is Ferguson still in the news this many months later? Why did Oregon terrorism occur even in this year 2016?

 

[M3J]

WOW, and you even cited Fox News as a source. That says absolutely nothing, except that people were removed based on suspicion, which may or may not have been founded. Your entire post shows that it's futile talking to you, and that you will stay ignorant and believing horrible news source and whatever your point of view is, no matter how inaccurate or false.

I wish I could live in your world where Wall Street people who cheat and commit fraud are acceptable because "they work hard" and that people who do labor jobs like waiting on people are considered lazy. Sounds more simple than the real world. I also wish I had your/republicans' ability to ignore the truth and things I don't want to accept.

Did any republican candidate propose anything good about domestic terrorism? All I hear is more guns to more people (would make things worse) and better mental health care (which would go ignored anyways).

 

[SharkBait]

listening to bernie sanders on debates makes me so annoyed and agitated. He's so out there with ideas. Hilary sounds so strong.

 

[xi0]

Hillary Clinton is a liar.

 

[SharkBait]

Wow the crowd went wild when Clinton accused Sanders of criticizing Obama's accomplishments and his leadership gap. Im glad theyve realized just how crazy Sanders is.

 

[M3J]

listening to bernie sanders on debates makes me so annoyed and agitated. He's so out there with ideas. Hilary sounds so strong.

Where's the lie in what Bernie said? You even showed what a hypocrite you and other republicans were. Want rights and freedom back and less government interference, but you guys have no problem with banning abortion and same sex marriage, even making the government try to outlaw that.

Hillary Clinton is a liar.

so are the republicans, but Sharkbait doesn't care as long as it serves his agenda.

Anyway, unless Bernie seems to be socially bad somehow, he's still the lesser evil of all the politicians. I'm glad most millennials are perceptive enough to vote for him.