American Politics

[Aonori]

Seriously, how dare they. It's not like they pay for educations or anything of the sort. They just abuse the US's free schools and go back home like assholes.

And it´s not only done to the US, btw, many other countries suffer the same issue mine, included.

The offering of Driver licenses, though is the biggest joke I ever saw, glad trump won, just to fix that shit for good in the US is already a good set forward.

 

[kkck]

Yeah, fuck you dude...why'd you leave?????????????

Well, I figured if I waited then jumping the wall might have made my return home too difficult.

 

[GrySun]

So, we keep this thread open until Trump is officially president in January, then make a new thread about "Trump's America"?

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You don't... understand how anything works, do you?

Anyway, Trump lost any chance I was gonna give him. Fuck him, and I hope rioters get the job done.

What do you expect these silly rioters to accomplish?
Aside from ruining other people's lives and destroying public property. I've already read some pretty detrimental stuff, like them blocking an ambulance which resulted in a dead child.

 

[M3J]

There was never any reason to give trump a chance. There is no rational reason to think he won't at least try to do what he offered. Well, there are a few things which are simply impossible (the wall nears on impossible, the president bringing back jobs from china is impossible....) but him being foiled by conceptual impossibilities shouldn't be much relieve here. Republicans won't be a filter to him, the majority of them will simply submit to him as they are doing right now. If there is going to be a filter to trump it won't be the republican controlled house or senate. The only plausible filter than can and will exist at least until democrats gain control of the senate and congress is non stop protest to trump's agenda every step of the way and maybe ridiculously low aproval ratings because the guy's self stem is as frail as an over inflated party balloon.

Well, there was a rational reason to think he wouldn't carry out his horrible plans when he apparently took out the Muslim ban from his site and encouraged people to work together, even claiming he'd protect LGBTQ.

I don't think he even cares about most things he said, like bringing jobs back from China. If he did, he'd have started by having his shit made in the US instead of China during the campaign, that'd have given him a huge boost. I could see Republicans trying to keep him in control though. Failing mostly, but trying.

 

[shionoro]

Im glad they are finally addressing this. To many non americans come to our schools and leave benefiting our economy in no way at all.

How can YOU most of all even say that?
And any trump supporter.
All your business plans are focussed on the thought that a good economy means a good country.

 

[SharkBait]

How can YOU most of all even say that?
And any trump supporter.
All your business plans are focussed on the thought that a good economy means a good country.

but these people arent joining american companies they are leaving back to china and india in droves.

 

[Aonori]

So, we keep this thread open until Trump is officially president in January, then make a new thread about "Trump's America"?

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What do you expect these silly rioters to accomplish?
Aside from ruining other people's lives and destroying public property. I've already read some pretty detrimental stuff, like them blocking an ambulance which resulted in a dead child.

Yeah, and it seems Karma bitched them, one of them got ran over by a seriously not-stopping driver, this is what happens when people take upon themselves to riot like a bunch of dummies, in the wrong places, at the wrong times, nothing but chaos is accomplished, I wonder what do those guys even plan to do if they actually made Trump resign, like what? Start a new "democrats only" banana republic? Do they even have better alternatives for trump thought up, or do they just want to replace him for anybody else, with no proper research?

 

[shionoro]

but these people arent joining american companies they are leaving back to china and india in droves.

They help american companies quite a lot.

Let's be honest: All your science and economy is very dependend on buying the brightest people from other places.
If you stop doing that, it will decline.
You simply don't have enough americans who are equally wellsuited for the jobs.
Braindrain is a strength, not a weakness, even if it is temporary.

Many of the best scientists have their big results on an american university, many american corps have their best times while being controlled by someone they bought into the job from another country.
And when he goes, you get another one.

And as i said, you first of all have no right to spout phrases like 'we are not just an economy' when you don't want jackshit to be done for poor people and think the trickel down effect is a thing.

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Yeah, and it seems Karma bitched them, one of them got ran over by a seriously not-stopping driver, this is what happens when people take upon themselves to riot like a bunch of dummies, in the wrong places, at the wrong times, nothing but chaos is accomplished, I wonder what do those guys even plan to do if they actually made Trump resign, like what? Start a new "democrats only" banana republic? Do they even have better alternatives for trump thought up, or do they just want to replace him for anybody else, with no proper research?

Well i got lots of better alternatives to trump.
I also know that most protesters are in fact peaceful.
I also know that reps promised to riot if trump lost, sooo...

 

[Aonori]

They help american companies quite a lot.

Let's be honest: All your science and economy is very dependend on buying the brightest people from other places.
If you stop doing that, it will decline.
You simply don't have enough americans who are equally wellsuited for the jobs.
Braindrain is a strength, not a weakness, even if it is temporary.

Many of the best scientists have their big results on an american university, many american corps have their best times while being controlled by someone they bought into the job from another country.
And when he goes, you get another one.

And as i said, you first of all have no right to spout phrases like 'we are not just an economy' when you don't want jackshit to be done for poor people and think the trickel down effect is a thing.

It all comes down to near slavery labor, conditions and doesnt save America´s economy, it just benefits big transnational companies along with the countries taking care of the production, and even then China has a lot of polution thanks to this, so it´s not even good for them environment wise and the population doing the heavy work dont even get a good amount of Money from it either, it´s nefarious for both the environment, the people and the dólar, not good.

Yup, and it´s not just scientists, historicians, Archaelogists, philosophers, among many others, make a name for themselves from universities first and for most.

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They help american companies quite a lot.

Let's be honest: All your science and economy is very dependend on buying the brightest people from other places.
If you stop doing that, it will decline.
You simply don't have enough americans who are equally wellsuited for the jobs.
Braindrain is a strength, not a weakness, even if it is temporary.

Many of the best scientists have their big results on an american university, many american corps have their best times while being controlled by someone they bought into the job from another country.
And when he goes, you get another one.

And as i said, you first of all have no right to spout phrases like 'we are not just an economy' when you don't want jackshit to be done for poor people and think the trickel down effect is a thing.

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Well i got lots of better alternatives to trump.
I also know that most protesters are in fact peaceful.
I also know that reps promised to riot if trump lost, sooo...

Please say them, as long as it involves someone with some degree of business expertise, I will accept over trump.

I already adressed that, either had the dems or the reps lost each group would have done protests and likely riots, I just have my doubts that any possible rep. riots would involve communists inside actual Rep. protests and that the alternative media outlets being pissed while mainstream wins, honestly speaking either side who would´ve won would´ve had a bad chain reaction to the other side´s closest pro-supporters, though I do believe that if the reps. had lost, any riots happening would probably be conducted mainly by pro-trump endorsement followers, I did heard one time that there was a 30k milícia willing to riot to put Trump as president of the US, the rest tend to be a lot of controversial claims, and didnt got further adressing since, Trump actually won.

 

[Onyx Darkmatter]

Aside from ruining other people's lives and destroying public property. I've already read some pretty detrimental stuff, like them blocking an ambulance which resulted in a dead child.

Wait, I thought the Child was fatherless? I definitely recall this incident thanks to Twitter, but I could've sworn that the Child was the one who lost its father.

but these people arent joining american companies they are leaving back to china and india in droves.

You don't need to join American Companies tho. If anything, this can be a huge advantage in the long run because it can have an impact on Trade (assuming the person goes to the US for education and returns to run a Business).

 

[GrySun]

Wait, I thought the Child was fatherless? I definitely recall this incident thanks to Twitter, but I could've sworn that the Child was the one who lost its father.

I might've misread things actually, so you're probably right. It's still not any less bad this way...

 

[M3J]

In many cases, Trump supporters invite the violence when they try to run over, attack, or berate anti-Trumpers. Trump supporters always love to cry innocence about the shit they do.

 

[xi0]

So, we keep this thread open until Trump is officially president in January, then make a new thread about "Trump's America"?

Will probably just be renamed to US Politics or whatever. No reason to have two threads.

 

[GrySun]

Will probably just be renamed to US Politics or whatever. No reason to have two threads.

We'll be using it for ~4 years starting with page 200, although it's probably fine that way too.

 

[shionoro]

It all comes down to near slavery labor, conditions and doesnt save America´s economy, it just benefits big transnational companies along with the countries taking care of the production, and even then China has a lot of polution thanks to this, so it´s not even good for them environment wise and the population doing the heavy work dont even get a good amount of Money from it either, it´s nefarious for both the environment, the people and the dólar, not good.

Yup, and it´s not just scientists, historicians, Archaelogists, philosophers, among many others, make a name for themselves from universities first and for most.

Ummm...No.
Importing specialists from other countries working in your corps does help you. It is not just CEOs, it is also programmers, filmmakers, engineers and so on.
America needs those forces, they are kinda fucked without them, including the 'small man'.
American Ivy league colleges would be nothing without the import of professors.

Furthermore: I am the first one to tell anyone who listens that a wellrunning economy has to be connected with workers who can afford a certain lifestyle.
Trump is the one who ignores that, and his supporters, not me.

But foreign CEOs are not at fault here. It is not like american CEOs are less ruthless. A CEO has to be as ruthless as the law allows him, that is his job. You gotta change the laws to change it, now chase out the most succesful ones out of your country.

Please say them, as long as it involves someone with some degree of business expertise, I will accept over trump.

I already adressed that, either had the dems or the reps lost each group would have done protests and likely riots, I just have my doubts that any possible rep. riots would involve communists inside actual Rep. protests and that the alternative media outlets being pissed while mainstream wins, honestly speaking either side who would´ve won would´ve had a bad chain reaction to the other side´s closest pro-supporters, though I do believe that if the reps. had lost, any riots happening would probably be conducted mainly by pro-trump endorsement followers, I did heard one time that there was a 30k milícia willing to riot to put Trump as president of the US, the rest tend to be a lot of controversial claims, and didnt got further adressing since, Trump actually won.

Look: There are no communists. Some college kid with a stalin shirt does not make a communist, nor a communist movement infiltrating riots.
Please give me any evidence that there is any significant communism involved in this protests.
Because i see that myth a lot.

 

[kkck]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/17/us/politics/alex-jones-trump-call.html?_r=0

So... trump called the biggest lier and overall human garbage on the internet to thank him? That bodes really well.... To be fair, jones is such an spectacularly insane liar he might as well have made that up but this being completely believable as trump himself is into every conspiracy theory is kinda terrifying. God dammit democrats, what have you done to us....

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There are also a few rumors around trump wanting to reinstate the muslim registry from post 9/11.... Yay for the normalization of blatant racism and batshit insanity! I look forward to the riots in response to this insanity. Well, not look forward but I would be severely disappointed if people don't riot at such blatant disregard of human rights against your own citizens....It's one thing when a country is awful against other countries but it is another when it is awful against its own citizens.

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Is it me or is trump's transition "team" basically a real life game of thrones?

 

[shionoro]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/17/us/politics/alex-jones-trump-call.html?_r=0

So... trump called the biggest lier and overall human garbage on the internet to thank him? That bodes really well.... To be fair, jones is such an spectacularly insane liar he might as well have made that up but this being completely believable as trump himself is into every conspiracy theory is kinda terrifying. God dammit democrats, what have you done to us....

--- Double Post Merged, Nov 17, 2016, Original Post Date: Nov 17, 2016 ---

There are also a few rumors around trump wanting to reinstate the muslim registry from post 9/11.... Yay for the normalization of blatant racism and batshit insanity! I look forward to the riots in response to this insanity. Well, not look forward but I would be severely disappointed if people don't riot at such blatant disregard of human rights against your own citizens....It's one thing when a country is awful against other countries but it is another when it is awful against its own citizens.

--- Double Post Merged, Nov 17, 2016 ---

Is it me or is trump's transition "team" basically a real life game of thrones?

'Democrats and Muslims butthurt, destroy more cars'.

 

[Onyx Darkmatter]

There are also a few rumors around trump wanting to reinstate the muslim registry from post 9/11.... Yay for the normalization of blatant racism and batshit insanity! I look forward to the riots in response to this insanity. Well, not look forward but I would be severely disappointed if people don't riot at such blatant disregard of human rights against your own citizens....It's one thing when a country is awful against other countries but it is another when it is awful against its own citizens.

And with Frank Gaffner hired, this will only get worse. It's like the whole world is going into an inevitable spiral of chaos.

Which reminds me:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tobias-stone/history-tells-us-what-will-brexit-trump_b_11179774.html

What I find this scary is if Russia does engage in its invasion while EU and NATO are weakened with an absent of important powers (UK leaving the EU, Turkey's crisis has shaken NATO with the US leaving it weakened).

 

[shionoro]

And with Frank Gaffner hired, this will only get worse. It's like the whole world is going into an inevitable spiral of chaos.

Which reminds me:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tobias-stone/history-tells-us-what-will-brexit-trump_b_11179774.html

What I find this scary is if Russia does engage in its invasion while EU and NATO are weakened with an absent of important powers (UK leaving the EU, Turkey's crisis has shaken NATO with the US leaving it weakened).

The nato is a shadow of what it was now.
If anything, european forces have to connect each other with an integrated EU mission along the old structures of Nato.
As you mention it: Trump is not going to be supportative of the Nato, Britain is busy with itself, Turkey is becoming an antiwest autocracy and germany's army is a joke.

 

[Aonori]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/17/us/politics/alex-jones-trump-call.html?_r=0

So... trump called the biggest lier and overall human garbage on the internet to thank him? That bodes really well.... To be fair, jones is such an spectacularly insane liar he might as well have made that up but this being completely believable as trump himself is into every conspiracy theory is kinda terrifying. God dammit democrats, what have you done to us....

--- Double Post Merged, Nov 17, 2016, Original Post Date: Nov 17, 2016 ---

There are also a few rumors around trump wanting to reinstate the muslim registry from post 9/11.... Yay for the normalization of blatant racism and batshit insanity! I look forward to the riots in response to this insanity. Well, not look forward but I would be severely disappointed if people don't riot at such blatant disregard of human rights against your own citizens....It's one thing when a country is awful against other countries but it is another when it is awful against its own citizens.

--- Double Post Merged, Nov 17, 2016 ---

Is it me or is trump's transition "team" basically a real life game of thrones?

Well Alex Jones is getting very cocky ever since Trump started giving him personal attention, now he wants to try and get trump to pardon snowden, after trump saying he is screwed under him, good luck with that!