American Politics

[Onyx Darkmatter]

What role does the EPA have? Do you really think its necessary and not other government entity can accomplish what it does?

Protecting human health and the environment by enforcing the laws. What else?
What other Government entity can accomplish what the EPA does?

 

[SharkBait]

Protecting human health and the environment by enforcing the laws. What else?
What other Government entity can accomplish what the EPA does?

Well we have the NIEHS for human health and environment, throw in the CDC there too.
NOAA can also deal with humans and the environment

 

[Onyx Darkmatter]

Well we have the NIEHS for human health and environment, throw in the CDC there too.
NOAA can also deal with humans and the environment

Except they're agencies that conducts research and solutions, not enforcing any laws. If they all had the authority to enforce laws, then I can see the abolishing the EPA being possible.

 

[M3J]

It wasn't a "Muslim ban" -


It's definitely a shining example of his administration's incompetence and at best, it's pure political posturing. But to attack it from the basis of discrimination isn't even necessary IMO. It makes no sense and would probably accomplish next to nothing from a practical standpoint, but nothing sells newspapers more than the type of headlines that have appeared in the wake of it.

It is a Muslim ban from certain countries that haven't done us any harm. Hard to deny that when Trump said he'd let in Christians and others but Muslims. And if you don't think he's targeting Muslims, he did not offer his condolences to the victims of the mosque shooting or mentioned it after it was revealed the shooter is a Trump supporting, white nationalist. However, he immediately talked about the Louvre Museum attack, despite no casualty.

The outrage caused by Trump's recent ban is understandable given the humanitarian implications.However, one has to ask where was the outrage when the refugee crisis was being created, where was the righteous indignation when Obama was demolishing those countries.

Being ignored by the media. obviously. I know most lefts who would have not been happy knowing that, though there are probably plenty who'd still support Obama.

After Trump, I'd support Obama too.

Worst, yet another democrat unable to name a key city for terrorism, clearly she does not have the safety of Americans at the front of her mind.

You don't have the safety of Americans anywhere in your mind....

 

[SharkBait]

It is a Muslim ban from certain countries that haven't done us any harm. Hard to deny that when Trump said he'd let in Christians and others but Muslims. And if you don't think he's targeting Muslims, he did not offer his condolences to the victims of the mosque shooting or mentioned it after it was revealed the shooter is a Trump supporting, white nationalist. However, he immediately talked about the Louvre Museum attack, despite no casualty.

Being ignored by the media. obviously. I know most lefts who would have not been happy knowing that, though there are probably plenty who'd still support Obama.

After Trump, I'd support Obama too.

You don't have the safety of Americans anywhere in your mind....

Homeland security and opportunities for all Americans is on my mind.

 

[shionoro]

Homeland security and opportunities for all Americans is on my mind.

obviously not, elseways you would not support the things you support.

 

[M3J]

Homeland security and opportunities for all Americans is on my mind.

This is false as you support giving guns to everyone. And you seem to ignore any sort of acts of terrorism by white people or Christians, which outnumber acts of terrorism by Muslims on US soil, I think. If nothing else, whites have killed far more Americans than Muslims have, and yet your only defense is "we can't risk it!" even though we already are by shrugging off white people and Christians.

 

[SharkBait]

This is false as you support giving guns to everyone.

Whats wrong with that? By keeping the gun industry vibrant and full of potential buyers we enable the American economy to grow providing more stability for hard working Americans and their families.

And you seem to ignore any sort of acts of terrorism by white people or Christians, which outnumber acts of terrorism by Muslims on US soil, I think.

So how would you try to prevent violent actions by whites?

 

[Philia]

So how would you try to prevent violent actions by whites?

Gun control would be a good idea to prevent violent actions by not only whites but everyone. But I doubt you care

 

[xi0]

1.- Lets say the video is correct. Doesn't that mean that trump's muslim ban is still coming?
2.- If we assume this is the muslim ban, does that mean trump lied about the muslim ban to begin with?

Either way, this is all very disturbing.

1. No, because that would mean he'd have to name all the countries he has business interests in. I'd be shocked if that happened.
2. Him lying is surprising to you? Trump lying is as natural as him breathing.

Maybe I'm a bit shy to attribute some sort of Machiavellian genius to this administration honestly. Not sure what to make of it, but I find it incredibly clumsy and embarrassing. Trump likes to jerk himself off as an ally to the military, yet this EO completely undermines the military and intelligence apparatus of the country. It fucks over our own businesses and universities. Washington's own Attorney General has said himself that he isn't interested in any sort of compromise with the Justice Department over the EO, such as limiting it to people who've never actually been here before. So it's going to go to the Supreme Court, regardless of how the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals rules. The Judge was a W appointee, so the White House blaming this on judicial activism is pure propaganda as well. I really think the braintrust there is really just that stupid. They're asking for a world of hurt if they don't somehow back down from this. Unless he's going to attack the Supreme Court as well?

 

[James Rye]

You guys seen Trumps List of "Terror acts the lying media did not talk about"? Like nearly all of those 72 terror acts were spoken off in the media you can find them easily with just google. Like he mentioned Nizza or Paris as if nobody had written anything about it despite hundreds of articles written by the press about it. And he forgot to mention some Terror acts like the one done in Bagdad last year with 70 deaths due a truck attack on a market, which the media also wrote articles about. Plus some of the acts he mentioned were really small terror acts in Iraq or Turkey or somewhere in North Africa where nobody died, so obviously those acts would get less coverage in most West media.

It is kind of scary to imagine how half (I really hope it isn't half) of the american public believes that list to be true and when they google and hundreds of news articles about the Nizza attack they go "This is all fake news".

 

[kkck]

1. No, because that would mean he'd have to name all the countries he has business interests in. I'd be shocked if that happened.
2. Him lying is surprising to you? Trump lying is as natural as him breathing.

Maybe I'm a bit shy to attribute some sort of Machiavellian genius to this administration honestly. Not sure what to make of it, but I find it incredibly clumsy and embarrassing. Trump likes to jerk himself off as an ally to the military, yet this EO completely undermines the military and intelligence apparatus of the country. It fucks over our own businesses and universities. Washington's own Attorney General has said himself that he isn't interested in any sort of compromise with the Justice Department over the EO, such as limiting it to people who've never actually been here before. So it's going to go to the Supreme Court, regardless of how the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals rules. The Judge was a W appointee, so the White House blaming this on judicial activism is pure propaganda as well. I really think the braintrust there is really just that stupid. They're asking for a world of hurt if they don't somehow back down from this. Unless he's going to attack the Supreme Court as well?

I'd be shocked but I wouldn't deem it impossible. I mean, there are at least several people in his cabinet who would love to see this happen and it wouldn't be a surprise if they can pressure trump, over time, to make this happen. From what I can tell trump will face increasing opposition to his agenda from many places, including his own party. From what I gather that leaves 3 possibilities, that trump keeps going as he is now, that he gives up and delegates everything, or that he gets increasingly desperate and tries increasingly crazier thing. We are talking about someone who seems less than stable and even his own team struggles to not present as a child to the public, who knows what effect having actual power could have on his head.

Lying? No. What is surprising to me is basically the admission of the lie so to speak. I mean, whatever the case this is a betrayal to his own base. Unless his supporters see whatever trump does and says as him trying to keep that promise regardless of the circumstances which is entirely possible as well.

I think not taking the administration seriously is a mistake to be honest. In the same way that a few months back it was a huge mistake to think trump didn't have a chance to win the election. In the specific case I mention, we also have to consider that overall trump at least has a media savy team. And they have bannon, trolling the media would be second nature to a guy like that.

Honestly, I would be surprised if trump didn't attack the supreme court. I mean, such a thing wouldn't be surprising for an average republican. Just look at what republicans did over obama's supreme court nominee. That wasn't done by insane fringe republicans who would rather destroy the world than have it not go their way. That was done by generic republicans. Withholding the nomination is something that should have caused insane backslash from people, it is something that should have tainted the record of every republican involved for generations to come, it is something the party should absolutely be "caught goat fucking" levels of ashamed. Its a brutal undermining of one of the US most important institutions over partisan chicanery. And again, that was done by all republicans, not a few fringe insane ones. Trump will absolutely go further than that if it is politically convenient. I mean, he just blamed the US justice system for the next terrorist attack. Turmp, his cabinet or his supporters do not actually care about US institutionality even a little bit.

 

[SharkBait]

Leave it to our awesome Vice President to make history! American education will soar to new heights.

 

[shionoro]

Leave it to our awesome Vice President to make history! American education will soar to new heights.

How is it a height to fuck up your already desastrous education system more now with an incompetent woman who only got to the position she is in due to her money?

 

[SharkBait]

How is it a height to fuck up your already desastrous education system more now with an incompetent woman who only got to the position she is in due to her money?

A public school outsider is necessary to bring a new perspective to the table because clearly the people of the past have failed to get the changes done.

 

[shionoro]

A public school outsider is necessary to bring a new perspective to the table because clearly the people of the past have failed to get the changes done.

NO, actually betsy is responsible for some useful changes not being implemented because she threatened republicans with cutting her funding for them if they dont block it.

That is the horrible woman that got appointed now, someone who will destroy you schools even more.

 

[SharkBait]

The last I checked the schools are not destroyed or in risk of being destroyed. In fact high school graduation rates and college admissions are going strong. The education system is, in its current form, doing its job.

 

[shionoro]

The last I checked the schools are not destroyed or in risk of being destroyed. In fact high school graduation rates and college admissions are going strong. The education system is, in its current form, doing its job.

No, it is doing a horrible job . Schools are underfunded, so are universities.
The differences between your top and your average universities is gigantic, a lot of nominal universities are on not on the level of what you would exspect from a real university..
Your eductation system is in a disastrous shape and it is bound to become worse with her, who will further the process of only rich people getting acccess to decent eductation.

 

[SharkBait]

No, it is doing a horrible job . Schools are underfunded, so are universities.

Underfunded schools is a systematic problem that is further complicated by states and local governments facing budget shortfalls (please look up states that have had to cut their police force, fire force, public works, and other resources and even still meet budget shortfalls) and stagnate wages. Money just isnt there.

Universities are not underfunded, have you never seen how big some universities endowments are??? And have you considered why universities even charge as much as they do when that cost could be easily reduced in several ways at the university management level.

Your eductation system is in a disastrous shape and it is bound to become worse with her, who will further the process of only rich people getting acccess to decent eductation.

Nope, have you seen how much money is set aside in need based financial aid to students? You can clearly see that articles claim 50 - 75% of students in colelge and university receive financial aid to go to school, no one is being prevented access to education.

Also public school is still free and many public schools rank the highest in the country https://k12.niche.com/rankings/public-high-schools/best-overall/

 

[shionoro]

Underfunded schools is a systematic problem that is further complicated by states and local governments facing budget shortfalls (please look up states that have had to cut their police force, fire force, public works, and other resources and even still meet budget shortfalls) and stagnate wages. Money just isnt there.

Universities are not underfunded, have you never seen how big some universities endowments are??? And have you considered why universities even charge as much as they do when that cost could be easily reduced in several ways at the university management level.

UNderfunding schools is a systematic problem that betsy is partially responsible for, and now she is in charge to make it worse.
How is that a good thing?

ANd yes, universities are underfunded. Your average universities are shit. That is just reality. There might be some that are able to abuse their students to get money and still do not offer them sufficient education, but in any case, you are not in a good position here.

That is effectively going to get worse now.

Nope, have you seen how much money is set aside in need based financial aid to students? You can clearly see that articles claim 50 - 75% of students in colelge and university receive financial aid to go to school, no one is being prevented access to education.

Also public school is still free and many public schools rank the highest in the country https://k12.niche.com/rankings/public-high-schools/best-overall/

Thing is, other countries do not need to give them financial aid, because it is free.
The fact that your schools already require money (or you have to go to a shitschool in a bad district or a horrible university) is one of the problems betsy is going to make worse.