American Politics

[SharkBait]

Finally a truly presidential voice speaks, reasons he will go in the annals of history of one of the best

 

[Ramen]

reasons he will go in the annals of history of one of the best

How terrible are the US presidents if Bush is going down as one of the best. He was terrible.

 

[M3J]

You have ideals that range across many ideologies. An extremist is someone who only has 1 set of ideologies. A DemSoc like Capitalism (right) but believes it should have regulation (left). Outside centrism is left wing and right wing, not extremes but definitely not centrist. Then you get the 4 extremes

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Wierd ass mofo

ah that makes sense. Though I've seen more centrists who are conservative when it comes to issues.


Crackhead

Finally a truly presidential voice speaks, reasons he will go in the annals of history of one of the best

He's going down as one of the worst, actually. There's absolutely nothing redeemable about him or his presidency.

 

[SharkBait]

How terrible are the US presidents if Bush is going down as one of the best. He was terrible.

how? under his watch the war on terror enabled millions to gain freedom under operation Enduring Freedom, Iraqi Freedom, and leading to Operation Sentinel's Freedom. America was at its heights using our military might and humanitarian leanings to provide change to millions that needed it.

 

[Ramen]

how? under his watch the war on terror enabled millions to gain freedom under operation Enduring Freedom, Iraqi Freedom, and leading to Operation Sentinel's Freedom. America was at its heights using our military might and humanitarian leanings to provide change to millions that needed it.

Humanitarian my ass. He made Iraq worse. Millions of Iraqis died because of him.

 

[SharkBait]

Humanitarian my ass. He made Iraq worse. Millions of Iraqis died because of him.

Millions of people in the region were saved from terrorism regimes hellbent on ruining the lives of millions around the world. History looks back favorably upon the results made in leading to the growth of opportunity and democracy in the region.

 

[hokageji]

.....I have a question to ask about Biden.

A lot of you believe Biden is a weak candidate, would the biggest reason to that be because people view him as generic? Aside from being backed by large corporations, that is.

I cant speak for everyone, but i think Biden's weakness primarily lies in his gaffs and signs of Dementia... I dont think anything else he does makes him a less viable candidate. The other candidates in the primaries showed us some of the best in the left to left of center spectrum and a lot of the hate he gets is because those weren't elected.

Backing of large corporations is the norm, and hoenstly norm is not bad at the moment. Obama had backing as well, yet he managed to tax wall street and make money. Biden can do the same...

Dementia and his terrible habit of lying.

Lying?

It makes sense. Selfishly, I prefer capitalism. However, I don't think capitalism is good for people in general.

I was a centrist. Then I saw how republicans and the right were, and now I'm a staunch anti-right and probably a good book away from being a socialist.

Wait, how did republicans push you to the left? You mean the policies or the people? Encouraging businesses isnt a bad thing so capitalism, or even conservative policies arent all bad.

I think Capitalism is great for developing nations, but America is a developed nation while its problems and challenges are like that of a developing one. So its time to encourage some socialist policies, like healthcare.

 

[Ramen]

Millions of people in the region were saved from terrorism regimes hellbent on ruining the lives of millions around the world. History looks back favorably upon the results made in leading to the growth of opportunity and democracy in the region.

US has ruined the middle east. Where is this growth of opportunity?

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Lying?

Yea. Wanted to cut Social Security and stuff like that then said he never tried.

 

[SharkBait]

US has ruined the middle east.

Surely you mean the Islamic State?

 

[Ramen]

Surely you mean the Islamic State?

I mean the middle east. Don't twist my words.

This is a useless discussion with an ex-republican.

 

[SharkBait]

I mean the middle east. Don't twist my words.

This is a useless discussion with an ex-republican.

i mean the Islamic State is what threatens the middle east. The US ushered in stability and democracy.

 

[hokageji]

how? under his watch the war on terror enabled millions to gain freedom under operation Enduring Freedom, Iraqi Freedom, and leading to Operation Sentinel's Freedom. America was at its heights using our military might and humanitarian leanings to provide change to millions that needed it.

The one criticism that will always hold true about Bush, and all conservative/republicans is how they define freedom by America's intervention for oil. That was terrible by all means.

Millions of people in the region were saved from terrorism regimes hellbent on ruining the lives of millions around the world. History looks back favorably upon the results made in leading to the growth of opportunity and democracy in the region.

But is there democracy? Are their lives better? Its just transfer of power, and increased terror, nothings improved.

 

[Ramen]

The US installed leaders that are their puppets so they have control.

The one criticism that will always hold true about Bush, and all conservative/republicans is how they define freedom by America's intervention for oil. That was terrible by all means.

This. They killed millions for oil. Democracy for the win.

 

[hokageji]

US has ruined the middle east. Where is this growth of opportunity?

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Yea. Wanted to cut Social Security and stuff like that then said he never tried.

OK, during his time as the VP i guess? I think thats more of failure than lying, but OK.

edit: just checked his score on politifact, truth is about 59%, lower than Hillary, who herself is shy of Obama by a little. So you can say he lies, but still much higher than most republicans.

i mean the Islamic State is what threatens the middle east. The US ushered in stability and democracy.

MIddle east has neither.... where is stability in Iraq? US intervention has only helped allies... its always been selective..

 

[Ramen]

OK, during his time as the VP i guess? I think thats more of failure than lying, but OK.

No as a senator. Look at the debate against Bernie. He gets exposed.

 

[SharkBait]

where is stability in Iraq?

That's not US fault, thats Iraq's leader fault of creating an environment of civil unrest after the period of stability America brought.

 

[hokageji]

No as a senator. Look at the debate against Bernie. He gets exposed.

Sanders’ misleading Social Security attack on Biden

Says Joe Biden "has advocated cutting Social Security for 40 years"

www.politifact.com

Mostly false...

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That's not US fault, thats Iraq's leader fault of creating an environment of civil unrest after the period of stability America brought.

Well, about america in Iraq:
1. no chemical weapons were found
2. killed the leader and created a power vacuum which led to the islamic state
3. still no freedom.

So US cannot interfere and then get to say, hey, you guys have to take care of your shit...

 

[Ramen]

Mostly false...

There's a clip of him on the senate floor talking about it

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period of stability America brought.

This is false. They brought nothing

 

[SnuggleCupcake]

This. They killed millions for oil. Democracy for the win.

I remember reading that China came in and actually assisted the Middle East by listening to their problems and providing aid and thus were given oil. This wasn't the exact one but it gives a look into their relationship.

They're also importing more and more as more Chinese people are driving.

 

[hokageji]

There's a clip of him on the senate floor talking about it

Ok, unless its a different one, its going to be the one from 1995. He did vote in favor of reducing Social security like Sanders claimed but he ultimating supported balanced budget. THe other thing is, that's from 1995. You have to take recent history into consideration and he's had better record of it.
He has an extremely high approval rating with ARA, so that certifies senior voting support.
This year, he even supported social security benefits with cuts and is calling out for improvements on FICA, raising the cap without retirement age, and shown extremely high signs of social security...

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I remember reading that China came in and actually assisted the Middle East by listening to their problems and providing aid and thus were given oil. This wasn't the exact one but it gives a look into their relationship.

They're also importing more and more as more Chinese people are driving.

Great point, but i thought China bought most of its oil from Iran right?