"All lives cannot matter till black lives matter". I think you mean the same but its important to make distinction. Saying anything but black lives matters at this point is failure to acknowledge alll the troubles these people have....
The All Lives Matter line never made sense to me, certain lives have been more impacted by BAD policies, injustices, prejudances, and mistreatment more than others. Targeted direction of resources and attention is needed on these lives.
All Lives Matter has often been taken over by white supremists or people downplaying the injustices we see, and in some extented was even focused towards police lives, some of the most protected by the justice system people in existence.
White supremacy internet forums like stormfront have declined significantly over the last few decades. Their presence in this world which can be measured is nearly non-existent.
They exist in other places. Stormfront declining means they're under a larger microscope and find other ways to communicate. If you think online white supremacy is actually on the decline, then I think that's incredibly naive.
Regarding the Black lives matter movement. I'm not against it. I'm just pissed at how people try to justify their looting and sabotage including black and whitepeople. But i do hate when black and white people justify it and link it with the past slavery oppression and how it impacted the black morals and how it held them back in these standards which ain't an excuse and actually an insult for current blacks.
For me non lives matters but good people who are getting killed left and right.
The only people justifying looting and destruction of property in earnest are moronic anarchists. Devoting more time to talking about the loss of human life and the maiming/brutalization of protesters instead of a looted store is not a justification for looting.
You'd do well to actually educate yourself on the history of slavery in the US before talking about it's impact.
So Afghan terrorists commit a terrible attack you invade Iraq? That makes no sense. That was obviously a the public excuse but anyone with a basic knowledge of history can clearly tell Bush killed millions of people for oil.
Of course it makes no sense. It was the wrong decision, even Dick Cheney, Jeb Bush have acknowledged it wasnt the right move so it is obvious.... When i said Bush did it "in response" to 911, i am not legitimizing it nor am i justifying it.. it was a terrible deicion so duobt..... But the administration did put say its in response to it didnt they... again, not saying its right, stating the facts.
This Bush argument is going out of hand, it started from me saying Bush was better than Trump, to someone calling out for him to be hanged which i countered saying America's always been like that. Bush time escalated things, yes... but these things happen when at war, so while the attack isnt the right thing, it was a response to it.....
The All Lives Matter line never made sense to me, certain lives have been more impacted by BAD policies, injustices, prejudices, and mistreatment more than others. Targeted direction of resources and attention is needed on these lives.
All Lives Matter has often been taken over by white supremists or people downplaying the injustices we see, and in some extented was even focused towards police lives, some of the most protected by the justice system people in existence.
I think its ignorance by everyone.... i just had a discussion with a friend, who said "more white people are killed by police than black"...yesm , but that statistic only takes absolute numbers into consideration... 400 white people are killed to 250 black people, but 70% of the population is white, and only 12% is black... if you take those numbers, the number of black and hispanic people shot are insane.....
Bush had reasons. Obama didnt and was terrible. He killed civilians with drones and airstriked a hospital. A hospital! No excuse. He also harmed our own people. He was part of that benghazi fiasco.
Bush did not have a reason other than oil and apparently revenge for his dad's failures. Bush has not been any better or different from Obama.
How was he part of that Benghazi fiasco? I remember asking you what Hillary's emails were about, but you said WE'd never know because "she deleted them." So how do you or other republicans know what it's about?
"All lives cannot matter till black lives matter". I think you mean the same but its important to make distinction. Saying anything but black lives matters at this point is failure to acknowledge alll the troubles these people have....
"All Lives Matter" is a stupid saying anyway designed to undermine "Black Lives Matter," and it's another way to say "fuck Black lives" in a PC/polite way. Anyone who makes light of the BLM protests and focus on or complain about the riots or say "All lives matter" is either an ignorant idiot or a racist.
"All Lives Matter" is a stupid saying anyway designed to undermine "Black Lives Matter," and it's another way to say "fuck Black lives" in a PC/polite way. Anyone who makes light of the BLM protests and focus on or complain about the riots or say "All lives matter" is either an ignorant idiot or a racist.
And what does that have to do with the fact that Trump NOT CALLING white supremacists or mass shootings as one? PETA has a violent history, with attempts on bombing and stuff...not sure about green peace but it doesnt answer ANTIFA rally being called terrorist and white people not...
White supremacy internet forums like stormfront have declined significantly over the last few decades. Their presence in this world which can be measured is nearly non-existent.
The public believes in imaginary, invisible, white supremacists in their back yards despite there being no evidence of it.
Antifa's behavior, disposition and tactics today. Are 100% identical to their behavior 4 years ago in 2016. There's no reason or evidence which suggests anything changed.
They exist in other places. Stormfront declining means they're under a larger microscope and find other ways to communicate. If you think online white supremacy is actually on the decline, then I think that's incredibly naive.
"All Lives Matter" is a stupid saying anyway designed to undermine "Black Lives Matter," and it's another way to say "fuck Black lives" in a PC/polite way. Anyone who makes light of the BLM protests and focus on or complain about the riots or say "All lives matter" is either an ignorant idiot or a racist.
I think its ignorance by everyone.... i just had a discussion with a friend, who said "more white people are killed by police than black"...yesm , but that statistic only takes absolute numbers into consideration... 400 white people are killed to 250 black people, but 70% of the population is white, and only 12% is black... if you take those numbers, the number of black and hispanic people shot are insane.....
If you have a bank account it often pays interest on your $$ it holds in trust.
Social security pays negative interest. Meaning if you pay $100 towards social security during your lifetime. It might only payout $50 in benefits. That's how inefficient, corrupt and dysfunctional social security is. UBI is identical to it.
Perhaps nothing suggests the end of civilization more strongly than people strongly supporting programs like social security without being properly educated on informed on them.
The All Lives Matter line never made sense to me, certain lives have been more impacted by BAD policies, injustices, prejudances, and mistreatment more than others. Targeted direction of resources and attention is needed on these lives.
All Lives Matter has often been taken over by white supremists or people downplaying the injustices we see, and in some extented was even focused towards police lives, some of the most protected by the justice system people in existence.
BlackLivesMatter is a pet project for the super rich and super powerful.
You don't get the kind of influence BLM has without having deep pockets and old money.
You people who talk about taxing the rich and how evil billionaires are. You don't seem to recognize billionaires own the media and own movements like BLM, antifa and everything else you support.
"All Lives Matter" is a stupid saying anyway designed to undermine "Black Lives Matter," and it's another way to say "fuck Black lives" in a PC/polite way. Anyone who makes light of the BLM protests and focus on or complain about the riots or say "All lives matter" is either an ignorant idiot or a racist.
Ok, let me give you a real example..... my cousin, who is dark skinned but obviously brown/south asian looking would go with his friends to an office gym frequently. The office was across where they worked, so they weren't suppised to. But they'd just go in tailgating or occasionally with another friend who worked there.T his group had asians, south asians, white people... One day, they coaxed their black friend to join the basketball game, who was reluctant to even go because it wasn't their office. Eventually, he agreed and as soon as they entered, the gym security came in, asked for his ID and was asked to leave...
No poverty here... and yes, its just an example of subtle racism.... I have experienced similar things like when we go to starbucks, we dont get a smile, or how you're doing etc, but white friends get an extra bag for their food and all.. Even then, i will accept and acknowledge that if i am pulled over by the cops, i wont get shot by them, or even get checked. I may not get away from a ticket, but cant expect that if i am not abiding by the law....
Lets talk about poverty... how easy is it for a white person to come out of it, vs a person of color? It is a class warfare too, but the class is defined by race... look at races below poverty... white people and asians are just 10% of the population. I suggest you research a little more or atleast be open to the point of understanding the issue....
Ok, let me give you a real example..... my cousin, who is dark skinned but obviously brown/south asian looking would go with his friends to an office gym frequently. The office was across where they worked, so they weren't suppised to. But they'd just go in tailgating or occasionally with another friend who worked there.T his group had asians, south asians, white people... One day, they coaxed their black friend to join the basketball game, who was reluctant to even go because it wasn't their office. Eventually, he agreed and as soon as they entered, the gym security came in, asked for his ID and was asked to leave...
No poverty here... and yes, its just an example of subtle racism.... I have experienced similar things like when we go to starbucks, we dont get a smile, or how you're doing etc, but white friends get an extra bag for their food and all.. Even then, i will accept and acknowledge that if i am pulled over by the cops, i wont get shot by them, or even get checked. I may not get away from a ticket, but cant expect that if i am not abiding by the law....
Lets talk about poverty... how easy is it for a white person to come out of it, vs a person of color? It is a class warfare too, but the class is defined by race... look at races below poverty... white people and asians are just 10% of the population. I suggest you research a little more or atleast be open to the point of understanding the issue....
When blacks try to get a good education people accuse them of "trying to be white". They say: "don't do that education stuff. Its not cool".
When blacks want to an inventor like Elon Musk or a scientist like Neil Tyson Degrasse people accuse them of "trying to be white". Uncool.
Tell me whose fault it is when minorities believe these urban myths which prevent them from being educated, informed or succeeding in life. The media wants us to blame whites for it. But no one is holding a gun to their heads to force them to accept lies which say only certain ethnicities can be educated or informed.
If you live in a city where blacks are the poorest demographic. It would naturally translate that blacks being the poorest would be the most likely to steal or commit crimes. That's not racism. Its a simple offshoot of poverty. So of course, security guards knowing blacks are the poorest and most likely to commit crimes might treat blacks a little differently. Its not racism. Its circumstance.
I'm mixed but look white. I've walked into stores and had dickhead security guards approach me as if they thought I was going to shoplift. I've had security ask me for ID when others had no need to show theirs. You think that you're saying something special or unusual when you talk about how blacks are racially profiled. But what you're describing is my own experience.
Tell me whose fault it is when minorities believe these urban myths which prevent them from being educated, informed or succeeding in life. The media wants us to blame whites for it. But no one is holding a gun to their heads to force them to accept lies which say only certain ethnicities can be educated or informed.
If you knew anything about history, you'd know that during the 20th century, black people were systematically out in low income neighborhoods. These neighborhoods were designed to not have investors and income flow through it. It's called red-lining.
If you live in a city where blacks are the poorest demographic. It would naturally translate that blacks being the poorest would be the most likely to steal or commit crimes. That's not racism. Its a simple offshoot of poverty. So of course, security guards knowing blacks are the poorest and most likely to commit crimes might treat blacks a little differently. Its not racism. Its circumstance.
Well since the elite of society put them in that situation, I'd say yes it is very racist. They tend to do all that which you are mentioning was because they were forced to.
I'm mixed but look white. I've walked into stores and had dickhead security guards approach me as if they thought I was going to shoplift. I've had security ask me for ID when others had no need to show theirs. You think that you're saying something special or unusual when you talk about how blacks are racially profiled. But what you're describing is my own experience.
Mugshots implies illegality. It's not illegal to be a white supremacist. I did include a ton of pictures of these "imaginary, invisible, white supremacists" you mentioned though.
Something like the Unite the Right rallies isn't evidence they exist? Have you been online almost anywhere? Do you have your head in the sand or something? What exactly is your motive for minimizing the existence of white supremacy without any evidence? I'm really struggling to follow your though process.
I disagree with the all who quoted me regarding BLM. BLM has grown to be international. It no longer concern the black Americans alone. Many people with all colours around the world are getting killed on daily basis and oppressed and no one give a fuck about them. If you want to single out Black Americans alone then yeah you can say black American lives matters not black lives matters but when your nation caused harm and destruction to other nations then yeah its on you to cry "All lives matters" or you are just being selfish or just being a retard sheep.
However speaking of U.S. so called systemic racism
I asked many people about if blacks in America getting the same rights as whites and they said we are equal in term of rights in this country but police are shooting blacks more than white. but what about the statistics that showing that blacks are committing more crimes than whites and Hispanic combined despite being minorities? 53.3% of the murders in this country in 2018 were committed by black Americans who are only 13.4% of the population. Think about that and relate it to police brutality against blacks if you are being fair. Regardless Now this doesn't justify George death by the police. George's death by police came from racist individuals who serve in very brutal system that shoot whites, blacks and Hispanic despite being unarmed.
Another case similar to George's case
Not to mention that blacks crimes are committed more on black communities, Means blacks kill blacks more than any other group, How you chant "Black lives matter" when it doesn't even matter to you.
If you want to change, then start with yourself first. I'm not against blacks. I have blacks in my family. I love good black people as much as i love good white people as i love anyone who is good.
Regarding police cruelty is big problem all over the world not just in America. I heard in many sources that U.S. police are being trained in Israel. A country that was founded on innocent blood but lets save that for another topic.
You're absolutely right, it is about wealth inequality. But it's still absolutely about race.
Keep in mind that almost 30% of black people live beneath the poverty line, compared to not even 10% of whites. Why do you think it's like that? What sort of things could be in this country's history that could lead to a group of people having a disproportionately larger amount of people living in poverty? Or you know, the fact that there are more black people incarcerated than even white people, despite them being only 12% of the population. I mean, unless you're a white supremacist and believe it's in their nature to be poor and criminals, what could possibly be the reasons for it? It's really not that hard to figure out.
Yeah, the cop got suspended, but also check out how they stopped another cop from helping the guy. Then the commissioner or someone said that the guy tripped on his feet, as if we didn't clearly see him getting pushed.
0 year. White supremacists have spent longer trying to push a race war. Dylann Roof come to mind?
None. White privilege is a thing and doesn't require money to prove it exists. Cultural appropriation has gotten a bit out of hand, and I used to think women of color were overreacting.
Maybe once or twice. Otherwise those who aren't blind can actually see there's racism, and white people are hurting Black people. Your logic when it comes to Black people seem to support just how ignorant people can be towards Black people.
A great thread on how to counter racist points. I forgot if I posted this here, but it's helpful given what's going on right now.
Also, Breonna Taylor's killer got charged, I think, while Belly Mujinga's case got reopened. I hope they get the murderer and charge him for manslaughter.
Global Moderator Notice: I get that race is an important topic in American politics (especially at the moment), but please at least do try to discuss in a respectful manner~ zimbard
ell me whose fault it is when minorities believe these urban myths which prevent them from being educated, informed or succeeding in life. The media wants us to blame whites for it. But no one is holding a gun to their heads to force them to accept lies which say only certain ethnicities can be educated or informed.
If you live in a city where blacks are the poorest demographic. It would naturally translate that blacks being the poorest would be the most likely to steal or commit crimes. That's not racism. Its a simple offshoot of poverty. So of course, security guards knowing blacks are the poorest and most likely to commit crimes might treat blacks a little differently. Its not racism. Its circumstance.
I'm mixed but look white. I've walked into stores and had dickhead security guards approach me as if they thought I was going to shoplift. I've had security ask me for ID when others had no need to show theirs. You think that you're saying something special or unusual when you talk about how blacks are racially profiled. But what you're describing is my own experience.
Lets agree to disagree as i dont think this conversation is going anywhere....
Again, the root of the issue was is Trump a racists or not... I gave ANTIFA being labelled as a terrorist group while not labelling white nationalists, and you pulled a Kellyene Conway and brought green peace into picture... i guess even on this, our stance remain unchanged..
When did you realize this? I mean, I'm not saying Dems are innocent in this, but Reps are way worse when it comes to giving Black people equality and equity.
