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Sasuke could never be a moderate centrist while being allied with extremist akatsuki.

Just as Biden, Pelosi and democrats could NEVER be centrist moderate being allied with far left china.

Only groups and individuals who share common goals and values can form alliances.


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So then you agree that establishment politicians are authoritarian sympathizers cosplaying as "patriots"?
 

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So then you agree that establishment politicians are authoritarian sympathizers cosplaying as "patriots"?


I see politicians in the USA with net worths of more than $100 million. Telling people they're going to "eat the rich" and "make the wealthy pay for everything".

People lap it up.

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It ceased being "politics" a long time ago.

Now its "stand up comedy".


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I see politicians in the USA with net worths of more than $100 million. Telling people they're going to "eat the rich" and "make the wealthy pay for everything".

People lap it up.

...

It ceased being "politics" a long time ago.

Now its "stand up comedy".


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Which politicians are those?

So someone being wealthy and criticizing people in their own tax bracket is somehow worse than being 1000x as rich through exploitation?

Wealth has never been the issue, it's how wealth is acquired that is.
 

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Quick question(s).

Can the taliban be conservative right if they announce their biggest ally is left wing china?

Can Biden, Pelosi and democrats be centrist/moderate with left wing china being one of their biggest allies as well?

Many of you post things in this thread that exhibit a concerning lack of skepticisim & questioning of perspective.


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Yes and yes. I'm confused as to why you think association determines politics when it's about views and thoughts. Biden has never been anything even remotely close to left wing, otherwise USA would be in a better shape because he'd extend pandemic relief and cancel student debt, for starters. You're 36, you should know better than this by now.
 

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Yes and yes. I'm confused as to why you think association determines politics when it's about views and thoughts. Biden has never been anything even remotely close to left wing, otherwise USA would be in a better shape because he'd extend pandemic relief and cancel student debt, for starters. You're 36, you should know better than this by now.

The idea that moderate/centrists can form alliances with the far left.

Is as likely as Richard Dawkins giving a speech at an islamic peace convention. :toc

The whole point of being left, right or moderate implies having a stance and values that exclude other stances.
 

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Which politicians are those?

So someone being wealthy and criticizing people in their own tax bracket is somehow worse than being 1000x as rich through exploitation?

Wealth has never been the issue, it's how wealth is acquired that is.

All of them have millions stashed in offshore tax havens.

As they tell the public they will "close offshore tax loopholes" used by corporations and the wealthy.

Stand. Up. Comedy.
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What exactly do you consider far left in this country?

That's not a question worth answering considering the far left today uses the same tactics and gameplan they used close to 100 years ago.

And somehow people still have not caught on.

Real life is comedy.


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All of them have millions stashed in offshore tax havens.

As they tell the public they will "close offshore tax loopholes" used by corporations and the wealthy.

Stand. Up. Comedy.
Who is "all of them"? I'm asking for names

That's not a question worth answering considering the far left today uses the same tactics and gameplan they used close to 100 years ago.

And somehow people still have not caught on.


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I don't understand what that has to do with my question? I want to know what you consider far left, do you still refuse to answer the question?
 

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Isn't closing tax loopholes something which voters on the left and right support? I suppose you can make a distinction between voters and politicians but then... what? politicians on the left offer to close loopholes but don't do anything about it to not do anything themselves and politicians on the right are either not interested in paying more taxes or are outright trying to destroy the system because taxation is theft? Or is the implication here that US folk should move further left?
 

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Who is "all of them"? I'm asking for names
I said: all of them.

If people want to know the truth about things like offshore tax havens, they need to read more.

Which of course, they never will. Due to their determination & commitment to make everything relating to politics a comedy.

I don't understand what that has to do with my question? I want to know what you consider far left, do you still refuse to answer the question?
What's the point of the question?

What's the point about asking about the left wing which has been around for centuries.

As if it were a new thing.
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Isn't closing tax loopholes something which voters on the left and right support? I suppose you can make a distinction between voters and politicians but then... what? politicians on the left offer to close loopholes but don't do anything about it to not do anything themselves and politicians on the right are either not interested in paying more taxes or are outright trying to destroy the system because taxation is theft? Or is the implication here that US folk should move further left?

There have been a few good articles written about offshore tax havens over the years.

With the journalists who wrote those good articles dying under mysterious circumstances.

People will literally die to report to the public the truth on topics like offshore tax havens, and people will remain determined to never know the answer for themselves as its too terrifying.

Of course, people like myself will know the answer. But absolutely no one ever cares about what the people who take the time and effort to educate and inform themselves think about anything.

So like I said. Its all a big comedy.


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The idea that moderate/centrists can form alliances with the far left.

Is as likely as Richard Dawkins giving a speech at an islamic peace convention. :toc

The whole point of being left, right or moderate implies having a stance and values that exclude other stances.
The far right can form alliances with the far left too, and politicians will do that for their own gain, whether it's Trump or Biden. Majority of politicians' stance and values are ultimately about what benefits them the most and what they want. The right hate the government, but they'll use the government to ban abortion because they don't want labor shortage, among other things.
For example, Trump claims to be anti-abortion, but when his ex-wife was pregnant with Tiffany, I believe, Trump was pushing for abortion. Having another child did not benefit him. If someone like McConnell would get more money working with a communist, he'll do it.
 

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There have been a few good articles written about offshore tax havens over the years.

With the journalists who wrote those good articles dying under mysterious circumstances.

People will literally die to report to the public the truth on topics like offshore tax havens, and people will remain determined to never know the answer for themselves as its too terrifying.

Of course, people like myself will know the answer. But absolutely no one ever cares about what the people who take the time and effort to educate and inform themselves think about anything.

So like I said. Its all a big comedy.


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But... what does that have to do with what I wrote? or what you wrote? As for the articles... ok? Are you going to quote them at least? or just pointlessly brag about this secret information you are privy to?
 

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I sort of wonder how this kind of messaging is functionally different than those random conservative politicians suggesting the elderly should just die for the sake of the economy. Pretty fucking tonedeaf IMO.
 

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The far right can form alliances with the far left too

Name an example from history of the right forming an alliance with the left.

It never happens.


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But... what does that have to do with what I wrote? or what you wrote? As for the articles... ok? Are you going to quote them at least? or just pointlessly brag about this secret information you are privy to?

Its not secret information. Someone good at deduction and logic could figure it out without a link.

But do you realize under the Joe Biden administration, I could be branded a "terrorist" simply for posting links which run contrary to their official stance. :toc

And what would be the point, when no one would remember what I posted 2 weeks after the fact. As always.
 
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Don't know of any, but the Republicans under Teddy Roosevelt were in some respects left-wing, esp their stance on businesses.
 

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I said: all of them.

If people want to know the truth about things like offshore tax havens, they need to read more.

Which of course, they never will. Due to their determination & commitment to make everything relating to politics a comedy.
There's no denying that being a politician is often for-profit when it shouldn't be. That's not the same as saying they're all stashing hundreds of millions of dollars offshore and that the issue is liberals doing it and not the practice itself being the actual problem. Rules for thee, but not for me is not a partisan thing.

What's the point of the question?

What's the point about asking about the left wing which has been around for centuries.

As if it were a new thing.
The point is trying to decipher what you as a conservative consider "far left" relative to your own positions. Also there is usually a trend of fixating on "left" elements with examples of these governments and not the authoritarian thuggery. Unless you want to admit that Conservative Authoritarianism is perfectly fine since it might line up with more of your own positions?
 

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There's no denying that being a politician is often for-profit when it shouldn't be. That's not the same as saying they're all stashing hundreds of millions of dollars offshore and that the issue is liberals doing it and not the practice itself being the actual problem. Rules for thee, but not for me is not a partisan thing.
I think the harsh reality is the truth is more than most are equipped to handle.

People prefer to forget the knowledge they need to be literate on topics like politics, if its uncomfortable or painful.

I have explained a lot of things to people over the years, they usually forget what I said in 2 weeks. The burden and weight of it is too much to bear.

The point is trying to decipher what you as a conservative consider "far left" relative to your own positions. Also there is usually a trend of fixating on "left" elements with examples of these governments and not the authoritarian thuggery. Unless you want to admit that Conservative Authoritarianism is perfectly fine since it might line up with more of your own positions?
Look at everything the right wing supports and believes in.

The left wing is the opposite.

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Example

The right wing supports 2nd amendment gun rights.

While left wing, secularist, australia supports gun bans.

Which is why left wing australia is the way it is, and right leaning america is not.

Although I have to admit the Biden administration banning imported gun ammunition and taking little nit picky steps to disarm america and transform it into a left wing secularist state could change that in the future.
 

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Biden is not left wing, he does not like the left. Anyone who thinks that either doesn't know anything about politics or are bullshitting.
 

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Biden is not left wing, he does not like the left. Anyone who thinks that either doesn't know anything about politics or are bullshitting.

Biden's biggest claim to fame is offering people *free stuff*.

Offering free handouts, free education, free healthcare, free UBI are all a primary staple and central pillar of left wing politics.

Left wing states ranging from venezuela to cuba offered *free stuff* to the public.

On the road to them becoming disarmed, impoverished left wing, secularist states.

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Everything Joe Biden says and does is classic left wing politics. The same tactics the left has used for the past 100 years.

Which somehow people have managed to remain oblivious enough to not know. That could be the most amazing part of it.


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Look at everything the right wing supports and believes in.

The left wing is the opposite.

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Example

The right wing supports 2nd amendment gun rights.

While left wing, secularist, australia supports gun bans.

Which is why left wing australia is the way it is, and right leaning america is not.

Although I have to admit the Biden administration banning imported gun ammunition and taking little nit picky steps to disarm america and transform it into a left wing secularist state could change that in the future.
Australia isn't left wing though, the controlling party is conservative. The Prime Minister has majority of the time been from this party. They have a center-left Labor Party, and a center-right Liberal party. This was my point in asking you the earlier question, you have to contextualize political leanings. A right-wing grifter screaming about some nonsense in Australia on Twitter doesn't make Australia some extreme leftist state.

Gun laws are a terrible example for this kind of comparison anyway since other countries don't have the 2nd amendment in the first place.

You do know that the US is already secular, right?
 
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