American Politics

[shionoro]

War is never good. That should be told to Putin, because he started one and now the world has to support ukraine against his war that he unleashed on it without any reason, justification or even rational motive.

 

[xi0]

American/British mercs

 

[shionoro]

American/British mercs

The French also allowed their foreign legion to join the fight on their own. I really hope it will be enough to repel the russians, I cannot really imagine that but they are doing so badly that it might be possible to keep control.

 

[xi0]

The French also allowed their foreign legion to join the fight on their own. I really hope it will be enough to repel the russians, I cannot really imagine that but they are doing so badly that it might be possible to keep control.

There's evidence they're being paid millions to fight, so not very altruistic. Probably just Ukrainian Oligarchs.

 

[shionoro]

There's evidence they're being paid millions to fight, so not very altruistic. Probably just Ukrainian Oligarchs.

Possibly, fine by me. Money well spent.

If I had to choose which side in this conflict has more average joes fighting for their values in it rather than a paycheck, I know my choice.

 

[xi0]

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

But only one side is led by a fascist imperator who has gone mad and threatens nuclear war against the world

We have literal fasces and imperial eagles all throughout the US' iconography - from Congress to courts to currency to landmarks.

We are the only other nuclear power worth mentioning.

We have our own sins - greater in scope and scale - to attend to and account for (they've hardly even been confessed). See above.

We have a leader that is lacking in mental faculties.



We shouldn't live in glass houses and throw rocks.

No, this does not justify Putin's invasion <--- obligatory, apparently

 

[shionoro]

We have literal fasces and imperial eagles all throughout the US' iconography - from Congress to courts to currency to landmarks.

We are the only other nuclear power worth mentioning.

We have our own sins - greater in scope and scale - to attend to and account for (they've hardly even been confessed). See above.

We have a leader that is lacking in mental faculties.



We shouldn't live in glass houses and throw rocks.

No, this does not justify Putin's invasion <--- obligatory, apparently

Once again, the USA is not the center of the world and nobody cares what the US has done in the past when it comes to this conflict.
That's like citing the evil deeds of the british empire while germany is trying to take over in the second worldwar. It makes little sense and is not relevant for the discussion.

America is not threatening the whole world with its nukes. It just isn't deal with it. You are not the bad guys right now, even if you want your country to be.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

War is never good. That should be told to Putin, because he started one and now the world has to support ukraine against his war that he unleashed on it without any reason, justification or even rational motive.

Do you reserve any outrage for the US/EU/NATO for the last few... well, decades? Care to comment on the links... you referenced my post by using my own words, but gloss over our own damage. Curious.

Or is this selective outrage that's being disproportionately applied to the rah rah rah enemy you've been instructed to hate?

American/British mercs

Flag of Blackbeard - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[shionoro]

Do you reserve any outrage for the US/EU/NATO for the last few... well, decades? Care to comment on the links... you referenced my post by using my own words, but gloss over our own damage. Curious.

Or is this selective outrage that's being disproportionately applied to the rah rah rah enemy you've been instructed to hate?

Since i am a rational observer i do not direct "hate" but talk about what the urgent issues are. When the urgent issue is Afghanistan or Iraq, i talk about that.

When the issue is a maniac waging war in europe for the first time since decades while threatening the world with nukes, I talk about that. While you desperately want to talk about how evil the US is because twitter told you to, even when it does not matter. Typical american exceptionalism at play here while the whole European order is changing.

 

[xi0]

America is not threatening the whole world with its nukes. It just isn't deal with it. You are not the bad guys right now, even if you want your country to be.

You have to see how incredibly reductionist this is, no?

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

Once again, the USA is not the center of the world

Wishful thinking, for better or for worse. Cope harder that everyone looks to see what the US response to this will be. EVERYONE. That includes your own protectorate/US territory formerly known as Deutschland.

and nobody cares what the US has done in the past when it comes to this conflict.

Well, clearly *you* don't. That's not inconsistent and hypocritical at all. Rah rah rah! Guzzle that koolaid.

That's like citing the evil deeds of the british empire while germany is trying to take over in the second worldwar.

Only, they are recent and ongoing, so your analogy is shit.

It makes little sense and is not relevant for the discussion.

Patently wrong if we are attempting to speak from a position of righteousness.

America is not threatening the whole world with its nukes.

Nah, we just have an economic mechanism of ruination. As for nukes we think it's OK to place them wherever we feel like, while telling others 'no'. We've invaded far, far more countries than Russia in the last 20 years alone, and caused more death and destruction. So, cool?

It just isn't deal with it. You are not the bad guys right now, even if you want your country to be.

I want our country NOT to be, so typical misconstruing of my position.

 

[xi0]

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Supposedly members of the Forward Observation Group use it as a battle flag. These photos might have been taken back in May when they visited Ukraine and they got some shit for associating with Azov as a result. It would seem that they returned to fight though potentially, but who knows.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

Since i am a rational observer i do not direct "hate" but talk about what the urgent issues are. When the urgent issue is Afghanistan or Iraq, i talk about that.

When the issue is a maniac waging war in europe for the first time since decades while threatening the world with nukes, I talk about that. While you desperately want to talk about how evil the US is because twitter told you to, even when it does not matter. Typical american exceptionalism at play here while the whole European order is changing.

Can you direct me to your posts of outrage for our recent, ongoing, concurrent 'issues'?

lol @ citing 'American exceptionalism' while I'm being a heavy critic of the US, but weird flex I guess.

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Sad that the media gets away with working youths up into a frenzy, ready to throw their bodies in the grinding gears of war.

 

[shionoro]

You have to see how incredibly reductionist this is, no?

No. It is not. It is a false equivalence to equate US actions with what Russia is doing right now.

Nah, we just have an economic mechanism of ruination. As for nukes we think it's OK to place them wherever we feel like, while telling others 'no'. We've invaded far, far more countries than Russia in the last 20 years alone, and caused more death and destruction. So, cool?

Do you even know the last few wars russia has waged?

Can you direct me to your posts of outrage for our recent, ongoing, concurrent 'issues'?

lol @ citing 'American exceptionalism' while I'm being a heavy critic of the US, but weird flex I guess.

Yeah, and these are the guys who are most suspectible to it. You only care about the US (or rather your distorted version of it), just like the typical republican maga head i talk to. You are just of a different political color, but its just the same.

You do not understand what is happening in europe or what that conflict is about, what russia does and how it operates or what nato in europe does. You just have some distorted view of it because you go "US BAD!" and thats it for you.

 

[ninjabot]

A bunch of Rittenhouses saw their opportunity to catch a body and jumped at the chance.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

Supposedly members of the Forward Observation Group use it as a battle flag. These photos might have been taken back in May when they visited Ukraine and they got some shit for associating with Azov as a result. It would seem that they returned to fight though potentially, but who knows.

I can't find anything that I'd qualify as a good source, but I've read in multiple places that we have spec op assets and specifically off-the-grid mercs. You know, our usual shtick of sticking our noses anywhere and everywhere, whether 'invited' or not.

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A bunch of Rittenhouses saw their opportunity to catch a body and jumped at the chance.

You should be old enough to remember the sentiment after 9/11. At least THEN we were actually attacked* personally



*by who exactly but um yeah

 

[shionoro]

Russia managed in a week to make several countries go 180.

By now, even countries that were always interested in good relations to russia, like Hungary, Germany or Finland, reversed their stance. Almost all european countries are now sending aid or weapons to ukraine, including even warplanes.

Whole Europe forbid planes from russia to fly over and they want to sanction belarus too now.

I cannot stress enough how this is a 180 for germany who always resisted sending weapons to Ukraine or to up their own military spending. Also, propaganda outlets like russia today were banned and russia will be banned from swift.
Germany even cancelled north stream 2. Both of these steps are going to create heavy economic drawbacks for germany and other european countries. This is not a thing you do lightly.

And here you stand talking about actions of the US as if that matters right now. We are looking at a whole new order in europe in a situation in which nuclear strikes are threatened by a man who seems deranged enough to follow through with it and who is currently creating 5 million refugees by sieging cities that never were even close to attacking russia.

You don't get anything about this conflict if you think "WELL NATO AND UKRAINE IS NOT PERFECT" would matter in the evaluation of who might be right or wrong here.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

Do you even know the last few wars russia has waged?

I posted some sources that begin to scratch the surface of our body count. Please provide sources of Putin's body count for the same relative period. Let's compare apples to apples, please.

You only care about the US

I haven't weighed in on: Putin, Russia, separatists, ultranationalists, Uke citizens, civilians, humanitarian efforts, gov officials in Uke, etc? Weird. Would you like me to introduce you to my posts, or are you just in outright denial?

(or rather your distorted version of it),

Feel free to address inaccuracies.

just like the typical republican maga head i talk to.

I think you think this is somehow relevant to me in some way. Hilarious. Apparently you aren't aware of the current redneck sentiment. Lock and load!

You are just of a different political color, but its just the same.

Oh, so I'm not MAGA... I'm... ______? But that unknown (to you) is the exact same as MAGA, somehow? Got it.

You do not understand what is happening in europe

I've posted probably 10x more sources (probably infinitely more bc I think you're at zero articles) than you have in just a few pages. And I talk to my Euro friends and family daily, particularly now to get what they're saying from a European/military/civilian perspective. Thank goodness for Whatsapp. But, yeah, I have no idea what's going on and you do!

I hate to tell you this, but the world is completely interconnected now and it's no longer an argument to play the 'you don't know because you're not here' card. I might not be experiencing it first hand, but I certainly can hear from those that are/do.

or what that conflict is about, what russia does and how it operates or what nato in europe does.

Like I said, I've posted numerous sources. You haven't addressed any inaccuracies in my reporting, let alone even acknowledge what I link up. So, cool?

You just have some distorted view of it because you go "US BAD!" and thats it for you.

Patently false, as usual.

 

[shionoro]

I posted some sources that begin to scratch the surface of our body count. Please provide sources of Putin's body count for the same relative period. Let's compare apples to apples, please.

I was asking you whether you know about the wars and hostilities putin waged in Europe. Do you? Do you know anything about the european conflicts?
I was not asking you to excuse war by talking about america.

Why are there several russian rebel states in different european countries? Georgia, Moldova, Ukraine...
Oh and what happened in Belarus lately?

Why do Finland and Sweden want to join Nato now? Why did so many eastern european states who had good relations to russia turn to EU or Nato?