Interestingly enough, that's not even their 'promised land' by Jewish OR Christian history/standards.
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But... no it's *not*. You're describing an imminent threat or invasion.
As I've mentioned before, I don't believe for an fraction of a second even putin believes this. Because... what evidence could there possibly be of such a thing? What sort of non military threat warrants a military response in the 21th century? This is still ultimately about russia preserving its interests.
The conflict very similar, There is no argument against that. The fact that is Israel/Palestine case is even worse because Israel is a colonizer state, whatsoever, It's not about pointing the similarity anyways, Its about the ugly fact that many people treat other people as lesser humans beings. See how people reacted the Russian aggression vs the Israeli aggression, Extreme sanctions and boycotting by literally everyone against Russia, While Israel didn't face consequences near that.
You're creating a false dichotomy.
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No I agree. It's not 100% analogous.
That the claim that there is a military threat to russia is factually bs. What evidence has russia presented that there was a military threat to them at all? Why should their claim that there is a military threat be taken at face value?
We've done this dance PAGES ago. You're in denial at this point. NATO expansionist policies and penchant for invading countries and undermining governments they aren't liking is literally a threat to what NATO has deemed a hostile.
I think it's preserving it's interests by attempting to remove the threat of NATO military bases on it's largest European border. But for whatever reason Putin seemed to think that they'd be able to remove the existing government and install a puppet in the span of 3 days. So western (and even Ukrainian) takes about Putin never daring to invade were wrong and Putin's calculus about how easy it would be to get the job done were just as incorrect.
I don't think he's actually trying to conquer the country though. I think he wants the West to do that for him.
I disagree, because both Ukraine and Palestine share the same essence and that what really matters, You don't steal my house and expect no resistance.
That's a lot of deaths... hmm, it's almost like NATO is a *threat* to countries it is hostile towards. So, you're telling me with that kind of pedigree you WOULDN'T want them to put missiles near your border, right?
I didn't say conquer the country, I said remove the government and install a puppet in it's place.
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So, you think he was unaware that occupation is indeed way, way harder?
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I really find the whole NATO excuse to start the invasion is really stupid because he keep threatening everyone with nukes which make the whole notion of war with Ukraine is pointless, First, I agree that Russia also has the right to defend itself against NATO but also Ukraine has the right the join NATO and secure itself. There is a fact that Russia isn't strong enough to go against all Europe, If he succeed to invade Ukraine, He won't sustain it, Then he will have to deal with Sweden and Finland. Russia can't sustain such catastrophic strikes for its economy, The easier route is threatening with a russian nuclear respond if someone dared to invade Russia.
I think that's mainly why there's the comparison there, especially with how people react to Middle Eastern countries being bombed on a daily basis vs. Ukraine being attacked. People support Ukrainians defending themselves (as they should), but when Palestinians do it or a Middle Eastern country does it, they get labeled a terrorist.
Well, sure, but for the purposes of my post I made the distinction between it's alleged military interests/threats and it's other geopolitical interests to get the point across more easily. Add to that the miscalculation of the response the world would have against russia. While I don't think putin cares that much about sanctions he probably didn't expect them this quick. He also probably didn't expect the ukranian president to become an instant hit on the internet (his speeches have definitely had an impact) and that EU countries would be so brazen as to send weapons to ukraine. 2 weeks ago if you had presented such an scenario to me I would have guessed this would be about the point at which the nukes start flying.
The reason it's clumsy is that in this comparison there's no argument that exists regarding Ukraine's sovereignty. But the difference in reactions is obvious.
Right, but NATO expansion is a military threat to Russia's geopolitical interests, there's just no way around that. Offering membership to more border states is just unnecessary escalation. Invasion was a completely insane move though.
I don't disagree with that. Nato-US-EU has definitely been a military threat to plenty of places, primarily in the middle east. Starting the war in iraq, getting involved in the syria, lybia conflicts, backing saudi arabia in yemen... and so many other... pointless waste of lives that either didn't make the world a better place or even made it worst... Nato is a military threat to plenty of places, primarily in the middle east. But that doesn't mean there's a non zero chance of it invading russia. it's other interests? sure. but a direct attack to russia? Absolutely not, that's a baseless lie.
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I 100% agree with that. It's pretty much what i've been saying.
