American Politics

[weixiaobao]

What? That doesn't make sense.

No, that's not why. "Build the Wall" works because it appeals to people's racism or misinformation that illegal immigrants are the result of crossing the border. "Defund the police!" doesn't work because people are either brainwashed to think police are important and help people or because they're okay with police brutality against Black people. You can explain exactly what it does, and people will still be opposed. Let's not kid ourselves that it's because of messaging or whatever.

Discussing with you is even weirder because you don't seem to understand much. Some people don't believe in voting because of people like Biden, who despite being voted for his policies have yet to really follow through. In the eyes of the left, what's the point of voting for a Democrat when they won't do what they can to help people, despite having the power to do so? Despite voting, barely any change has happened.

I don't care, if you want to stay ignorant and support a racist organization that uses excessive violence, then that's on you. As long as you know that Asians are not exempt from their violence either. You seem unable to understand the issues, so I highly doubt you can even come close to making any post as good as me as you claim. People to the right of you will not be swayed regardless, for reasons I explained, not as long as cops don't exclusively target white people or go after them.

Well, if you ask a right winger or a pro-cop, then you're gonna get a different answer from someone who actually has done research. Often, majority of the people who support defunding will tell you that the money used towards cops can be spent elsewhere, like better mental health care and resources that can help people. That's a better way to prevent or reduce criminals than having cops assault or kill them, throw them in jail, and make it hard for them to get their lives back.



And yet they both indulge in both.

How old are you? Who do you watch for the news? Who do you watch on youtube? If I "don't understand much." Then I think the best solution to America, is just to leave it. Just move to another country. Because if I who followed so much of this stuffs, "don't understand much." Then there is no hope for the rest of the USA. No one will able to follow how enlighten you are.

To be honest, did you not read my posts about the crime that the homeless and the black community been doing to the Asian community? Why are you ignorant on that? What have you been doing to fix it?

Build the wall work because it is simple. Build a wall, people can't come over. Obviously it is more complicate than that. And it doesn't work. But to his voters, the image is so simple and direct.

Ask what do you meant by defunding the police? Well, I don't meant defunding. I meant reallocating. Well, you have to use mental health personnel. Well you need police training, and more gears. But is that cost money? Well, I don't know. Well, it does have to do with education, and food, and blah blah blah blah blah.

My stance is so simple. If you don't get it. Then fine. Remove legal protection from the police. Punish them harshly if they do wrong. Well, if the black community don't want police. Then ship all the police into China Town. Have the police patrol China Town instead.

I said you are ignorant, and you are racist. My basis for it. I don't have any. Because you don't have any for your claim either. But this is the game we playing. Thank you for reconfirm that I never will vote for your candidate. Please do announce whoever you support every cycle, so I support someone else in the primary.

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Well, if you ask a right winger or a pro-cop, then you're gonna get a different answer from someone who actually has done research. Often, majority of the people who support defunding will tell you that the money used towards cops can be spent elsewhere, like better mental health care and resources that can help people. That's a better way to prevent or reduce criminals than having cops assault or kill them, throw them in jail, and make it hard for them to get their lives back.

If the money go to lock some the insane people in mental asylum, I am all for it. Before another person get push into the train track, and got lit on fire. I guess maybe you lived in a gated home or something. I happened to deal with danger almost every day.

--- Double Post Merged, Jun 12, 2022 ---

Well, if you ask a right winger or a pro-cop, then you're gonna get a different answer from someone who actually has done research. Often, majority of the people who support defunding will tell you that the money used towards cops can be spent elsewhere, like better mental health care and resources that can help people. That's a better way to prevent or reduce criminals than having cops assault or kill them, throw them in jail, and make it hard for them to get their lives back.

Ferguson's New Victims: Asian Businesses

Asian-American-owned businesses in the St. Louis suburb are a mess after days of looting in the wake of Michael Brown’s killing. And one lawyer says the authorities let it happen.

www.thedailybeast.com

Asian American Businesses Looted Across the U.S. During Riots

As protests hit the streets nationwide over George Floyd and support for the Black Lives Matter movement, so have the string of looting and crimes against small businesses. Asian businesses in six locations across the U.S. were struck by looters and vandals days after his death.

nextshark.com

Did the cops do this to us? And have you ever spent a single second of your life care about this. Well, you don't. Then why, should you think I care about your solution when your solution don't include my problem in it.

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What? That doesn't make sense.

Let me do a M3J post.

Cops are racist institution. Tear it down. Reallocate the fund to mental health, education, blah, blah. All social ills solved.
Politicians can't fix shit. Biden didn't do anything. No one you can vote in do anything.

*KInda wonder how you gonna get the defunding police done without the politicians*

Maybe if I type it enough times on mangahelpers that it will happened.

I said this M3J, I think if you go buy enough materials to make a nuke. And then threaten to nuke the USA unless they follow your plan. At least, I see that as a more plausible way to get to defunding the police. Than you typing simple stuffs on mangahelpers. You think you can explain defunding the polices better than BLM leadership? You think you can explain defunding the police better than the SQUAD/Warren/Sanders? You think you can explain this thing better than the pundits like Kyle Kulinski, David Parkman, Cenk Uyur? You think that after I watch all those people. My understanding of it is somehow less than a person who learn about defunding the police from M3J's posts on mangahelpers?

"Successful slogans are succinct and summarize the basic values and strengths of the company in just a few words. The target group should be able to clearly understand and repeat the message."

So what does build the wall translate to? It translate to BUILD THE WALL. What does defunding the police translate to? It translate to well, you need to raise tax. And then relocate tax money from the police to other things like education, mental health, blah. You need to retrain the police but with less money. You need to remove gear of war from the police. You definitely need them to wear body cam but with less money. You need to blah blah blah.

Build the Wall work because even simpleton like Trumpsters could understand it. Despite it being a terrible freaking policy. But it works as a slogan.

--- Double Post Merged, Jun 12, 2022 ---

I don't care, if you want to stay ignorant and support a racist organization that uses excessive violence, then that's on you.

Oh, so you are for Anti Police Brutality. Why didn't you just said so. I agree. Totally support this. I am against police using excessive violence. I am glad we are on the same page.. I threw you another bone. I am anti Asian on Black violence. What the hell make you think I would not want to lock up any idiot Asian people who do violence on Black people for no reason. Hell, I threw you another bone, I am anti racist organization. Hence I don't support the police as it is whole sale. But I am the racist one, boy this country is one hell of a racist country. It is beyond saving. Be like my friend, she talk about moving to New Zealand after all these shooting. Maybe you should too. I am planning to retire somewhere outside of the USA.

 

[M3J]

How old are you? Who do you watch for the news? Who do you watch on youtube? If I "don't understand much." Then I think the best solution to America, is just to leave it. Just move to another country. Because if I who followed so much of this stuffs, "don't understand much." Then there is no hope for the rest of the USA. No one will able to follow how enlighten you are.

To be honest, did you not read my posts about the crime that the homeless and the black community been doing to the Asian community? Why are you ignorant on that? What have you been doing to fix it?

Build the wall work because it is simple. Build a wall, people can't come over. Obviously it is more complicate than that. And it doesn't work. But to his voters, the image is so simple and direct.

Ask what do you meant by defunding the police? Well, I don't meant defunding. I meant reallocating. Well, you have to use mental health personnel. Well you need police training, and more gears. But is that cost money? Well, I don't know. Well, it does have to do with education, and food, and blah blah blah blah blah.

My stance is so simple. If you don't get it. Then fine. Remove legal protection from the police. Punish them harshly if they do wrong. Well, if the black community don't want police. Then ship all the police into China Town. Have the police patrol China Town instead.

I said you are ignorant, and you are racist. My basis for it. I don't have any. Because you don't have any for your claim either. But this is the game we playing. Thank you for reconfirm that I never will vote for your candidate. Please do announce whoever you support every cycle, so I support someone else in the primary.

Okay, then leave USA if you want.

I don't need to read your posts, I've known about this for years. What have you been doing to fix the crime against the Asian community? What have cops been doing, other than targeting Black people and likely ignoring violence against the Asian community?

But also, Build the Wall because racism and misinformation.

So what are you going to do if the cops are violent towards Asian people because of your solution? How do you know they'll protect Asians?

If the money go to lock some the insane people in mental asylum, I am all for it. Before another person get push into the train track, and got lit on fire. I guess maybe you lived in a gated home or something. I happened to deal with danger almost every day.

Getting cut off by other drivers isn't the kind of danger that other Asians live in, that's not comparable. Black people have been pulled over and shot despite not being dangerous, or they had cops break into their homes and "accidentally" shoot them. At least two Black people have been murdered by white citizens who were suspicious for no reason.

Did the cops do this to us? And have you ever spent a single second of your life care about this. Well, you don't. Then why, should you think I care about your solution when your solution don't include my problem in it.

Is there data or whatnot of cops helping Asians? Preventing attacks on Asians? If a white organization with guns attended a rally for Chinese people or Asians, then would cops stop them? Take their guns away? Or would that depend on which department?

Let me do a M3J post.

Cops are racist institution. Tear it down. Reallocate the fund to mental health, education, blah, blah. All social ills solved.
Politicians can't fix shit. Biden didn't do anything. No one you can vote in do anything.

*KInda wonder how you gonna get the defunding police done without the politicians*

Maybe if I type it enough times on mangahelpers that it will happened.

I said this M3J, I think if you go buy enough materials to make a nuke. And then threaten to nuke the USA unless they follow your plan. At least, I see that as a more plausible way to get to defunding the police. Than you typing simple stuffs on mangahelpers. You think you can explain defunding the polices better than BLM leadership? You think you can explain defunding the police better than the SQUAD/Warren/Sanders? You think you can explain this thing better than the pundits like Kyle Kulinski, David Parkman, Cenk Uyur? You think that after I watch all those people. My understanding of it is somehow less than a person who learn about defunding the police from M3J's posts on mangahelpers?

"Successful slogans are succinct and summarize the basic values and strengths of the company in just a few words. The target group should be able to clearly understand and repeat the message."

So what does build the wall translate to? It translate to BUILD THE WALL. What does defunding the police translate to? It translate to well, you need to raise tax. And then relocate tax money from the police to other things like education, mental health, blah. You need to retrain the police but with less money. You need to remove gear of war from the police. You definitely need them to wear body cam but with less money. You need to blah blah blah.

Build the Wall work because even simpleton like Trumpsters could understand it. Despite it being a terrible freaking policy. But it works as a slogan.

Okay, so you agree that voting isn't going to help anything since politicians don't really care about people? Cool.

Yes, anyone who knows about defunding/abolishing cops can explain it just as well or better than those who are in public eye.


No, Build the Wall works because people want to build a wall. Defund the police doesn't work because people don't want to defund cops.

Defunding cops translate to reducing budget towards police and putting it towards other programs that can help.

Oh, so you are for Anti Police Brutality. Why didn't you just said so. I agree. Totally support this. I am against police using excessive violence. I am glad we are on the same page.. I threw you another bone. I am anti Asian on Black violence. What the hell make you think I would not want to lock up any idiot Asian people who do violence on Black people for no reason. Hell, I threw you another bone, I am anti racist organization. Hence I don't support the police as it is whole sale. But I am the racist one, boy this country is one hell of a racist country. It is beyond saving. Be like my friend, she talk about moving to New Zealand after all these shooting. Maybe you should too. I am planning to retire somewhere outside of the USA.

Because I literally said I'm for abolishing the police as they do almost nothing to help anyone unless the person's wealthy. Cops will use excessive violence and hurt people unnecessarily because they're abusive pieces of shit who can get away with it.

Show me where I said you were a racist.

I know what USA is like. White people trafficked Black people and the Chinese and refused to give them equality and equity for centuries. They threw majority, if not all, of Japanese population in USA in concentration camps during WWII for no reason but racism and paranoia, and the only reason why Nazism's rise in USA was halted was because USA entered war against Germany. Not to mention, the way Mexicans are treated, as well as Muslims.

Okay, give me money, and I'll move elsewhere. Problem is, majority of other countries are racist as well, or have their fair share of racism.

 

[weixiaobao]

I know what USA is like. White people trafficked Black people and the Chinese and refused to give them equality and equity for centuries. They threw majority, if not all, of Japanese population in USA in concentration camps during WWII for no reason but racism and paranoia, and the only reason why Nazism's rise in USA was halted was because USA entered war against Germany. Not to mention, the way Mexicans are treated, as well as Muslims.

So police institution is racist, let's abolish it. American as an institution is even MORE RACIST. Let's tolerate it. Okay. If you are a Malcom X and or the type that either do the whole "go back to Africa movement" or Let's do segregation, heck maybe even a black nation state. That at least I understand way more. Heck if you become a terrorist. I still understand you.

Right now I don't. You want a thing. Abolishing the police. How are you achieving it. Let's say I agree with you. How are you gonna achieve it?

What you gonna response is America so racist, voters so racists, politicians can't do anything.

Then how are you getting from point A to point B? Let's ignore all the collateral damages done to other groups via this move. Let's ignore all that since you didn't believe in my reform to address the problem directly. How are you gonna get it done?

Or is this a wish? Or is this like we sharing our fantasy of a utopia or something. Some sort of a fiction?

Hell if you become a terrorist to abolish the racist institution that is America. That's make more sense to me. Because at that point, it is more about you wanting to send a message. Or even plunging it into anarchy sound more plausible to me like that of Syria or something. But this whole I want a functional society in this type of way which require a democratic process. And yet, you don't believe in voting, you don't believe in representative democracy. How you don't even how how our 3 branches of government work. You don't know what is the local, vs the state, vs the federal government. Like what each one does. If you ever bring Biden up, and think he can solve a town wide or a city problem involving the city budget. Then it is laughable.

Let just said you are absolutely right, where are you gonna go from here? Are you wishing and hoping the racist American voters gonna support this radical reform?

 

[Sanity Check]

You really really need to step out of your bubble. Did you think the Christian invent morality or something, and not all other cultures also develop their morality in parallel? Heck, let just take this meritocracy. Confucianism focus on meritocracy. And Confucianism is as secular as they come, “Respect the gods and the devils but keep them at a distance."

Confucianism and Meritocracy: Light from the East - American Affairs Journal

Ex oriente lux. With the spring academic term finished, I am in Japan and China, ostensibly to give papers at several Japanese and Chinese universities, but really to learn more about meritocracy debates in contemporary Asia. There has been a heated debate going on there among political...

americanaffairsjournal.org

Hell the Chinese imperial exam https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_examination is more merit based than any thing from the Christian world at this period of time.

...

Let me rephrase it to better apply it to the modern world.

In the united states today, there are those who want to work. They want to build business. Advance science. Make progress in every industry. Give people of the world more opportunity, options and tools. These people support republicans(political right) knowing its their best chance for creating an environment best suited for achieving these goals.

On the opposite end of the spectrum, you have democrat supporters. What defines them? They want free stuff. They don't want to work or compete. They want free UBI. Free student loan forgiveness. Free stimulus checks. Free tampons. Free healthcare. Free everything.

If life were a video game, the default setting is increasing from easy to brutal mode.

That could create an environment where the political right is best adapted to survive.

While those who don't want to work or compete. Whose main goal is: free stuff will suffer the most.

Over a span of centuries or millennia if these circumstances remain a relative constant, it is possible that the political left could eventually go extinct.

Drugs, vaccines, high gas prices, inflation, COVID and other crisis could accelerate the process.

But I think I'm not getting the big picture of how events will pan out.

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Why would world leaders create a world favorable to christian republicans? Even if that was true, what basis is there to say that that is something desirable?

Inadvertently.

Without realizing the long term effects of their choices.

People need to alter their belief system entirely in order to get ahead in such a world? That sounds like a desirable environment to live in? Would you be willing to live as an "atheist democrat" if that was somehow the best way to "thrive"? No you wouldn't, would you?

For me, its a question of which circumstances drive human evolution.

And in which direction(s).

Never mind this "competitive free market" brainrot you have going on here. You have this utopian vision of such a thing that doesn't exist. There is no "fair competition" when the difference is between living and starving to death.

Have you ever read the intro of the infanticide wiki page:

Infanticide

Infanticide (or infant homicide) is the intentional killing of infants or offspring. Infanticide was a widespread practice throughout human history that was mainly used to dispose of unwanted children,[1]: 61  its main purpose is the prevention of resources being spent on weak or disabled offspring. Unwanted infants were normally abandoned to die of exposure, but in some societies they were deliberately killed.

Infanticide is now widely illegal, but in some places the practice is tolerated or the prohibition is not strictly enforced.

Most Stone Age human societies routinely practiced infanticide, and estimates of children killed by infanticide in the Mesolithic and Neolithic eras vary from 15 to 50 percent. Infanticide continued to be common in most societies after the historical era began, including ancient Greece, ancient Rome, the Phoenicians, ancient China, ancient Japan, Aboriginal Australia, Native Americans, and Native Alaskans.

Infanticide became forbidden in Europe and the Near East during the 1st millennium. Christianity forbade infanticide from its earliest times, which led Constantine the Great and Valentinian I to ban infanticide across the Roman Empire in the 4th century. The practice ceased in Arabia in the 7th century after the founding of Islam, since the Quran prohibits infanticide. Infanticide of male babies had become uncommon in China by the Ming dynasty (1368–1644), whereas infanticide of female babies became more common during the One-Child Policy era (1979–2015). During the period of Company rule in India, the East India Company attempted to eliminate infanticide but were only partially successful, and female infanticide in some parts of India still continues. Infanticide is now very rare in industrialised countries but may persist elsewhere.

Infanticide - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Life has always been a competitive struggle.

It is only in relatively recent times, when life became convenient and easy enough for people to do well for themselves without (as much) competition or struggle.

There are profoundly religious and yes, even Christian, countries that are incredibly poor despite how christian and conservative they are. How exactly do you account for such a thing

Jesus was born into poverty in a barn with farm animals,

Jesus is quoted as saying: a rich man has an easier time walking through the eye of a needle than entering the kingdom of heaven. This could imply Jesus and God represent the poor.

Jesus is also quoting as saying: I have come to this world to open the eyes of the blind, and to blind those who see. (Which could be interpreted to mean opening the eyes of the poor while simultaneously blinding ruling elites)

The story of King David in the bible is about a poor shepherd who becomes a wealthy king. This changes him. He becomes a wealthy elite with no limits. He rapes a wife and murders her husband.

Its all been said for thousands of years.

The biting irony here is that you clearly fashion yourself some sort of "free-thinking truth-teller" that understands the secret ways in which the world works, yet the way in which you go on and on about "christian republicans" and AnCap propaganda shows you're just as indoctrinated as anyone you criticize. Wake up man.

I only want to know the truth and facts to satisfy my own curiosity. More than most.

I 100% need to get new hobbys but old habits die hard.

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And yet they both indulge in both.

Some conservatives and republicans have abortions.

But not nearly as many as democrats I would guess.

 

[M3J]

Some conservatives and republicans have abortions.

But not nearly as many as democrats I would guess.

A Republican theme on abortions: 'It's OK for me, evil for thee'

An illustrious list of Republican men are publicly anti-choice, but privately have supported women in their lives having abortions

www.theguardian.com

 

[weixiaobao]

M3J asked a lot of questions yesterday. And I willing to answer every single questions. But do you a) want to read it and b) want to intellectually engage with it. And by that I meant genuinely actually engage with it. These kind of issues had been ongoing. The first time, I actually ever think about it was the killing of Trayvon Martin. A case that propulse the Young Turks into the progressive Main Stream. They broke that story, which was a local story, even before the mainstream media did. In fact, a lot of what you were saying was some of the things that I think about maybe 5 or 6 years ago. Because to be honest, nothing you really said is "new." It had been circulated around progressive echo chamber for a long long time now. Over the years, my opinion changed based on what I observed in the news and actually delved deeper into any claims. But I afraid I am just preaching to the void, if I just waste my effort typing all those out and rile myself up for nothing. I do notice, the more I listen to conservatives talking, the more left I become. And yet the more I listen to some progressive talking, the more right I become. I tend to be very skeptical of people who said they have the answers. Either way, who know, I may just go through your post anyway. I had actually start writing it yesterday. But meh, it gonna be a TL;DR anyway.

 

[ninjabot]

I do notice, the more I listen to conservatives talking, the more left I become. And yet the more I listen to some progressive talking, the more right I become.

Don't engage in spite politics. It's okay to adjust your political leaning as you come to value different things, but not just because you don't like the people arguing for your current political position. I'd never argue that Sanity Check should stop being a Republican just because of people like Candace Owens and Stephen Crowder being grifting pieces of shit. I'd argue against the policies the Republican party stand for.

There are progressives that push things too far and are pretty cringeworthy, but they'll never be so cringeworthy that I'll ever become a Republican, because their cringe won't change my values.

And they shouldn't change yours either.

 

[xi0]

Jesus was born into poverty in a barn with farm animals,

Jesus is quoted as saying: a rich man has an easier time walking through the eye of a needle than entering the kingdom of heaven. This could imply Jesus and God represent the poor.

Jesus is also quoting as saying: I have come to this world to open the eyes of the blind, and to blind those who see. (Which could be interpreted to mean opening the eyes of the poor while simultaneously blinding ruling elites)

The story of King David in the bible is about a poor shepherd who becomes a wealthy king. This changes him. He becomes a wealthy elite with no limits. He rapes a wife and murders her husband.

Its all been said for thousands of years.

How does any of this address what you quoted?

 

[M3J]

M3J asked a lot of questions yesterday. And I willing to answer every single questions. But do you a) want to read it and b) want to intellectually engage with it.

Neither, unless you can keep it short and concise. I've been too burned out for years arguing, especially on this site in Naruto section.

 

[weixiaobao]

Aye, so i decided I will answer it but not for u, maybe sometimes later. But for everyone else who has your views and want to see how I response. And I hope you ain't a mod or something so I can add you to block list. Because it seemed like there is no point to read your post. There is no "short" and "concise" with social matter that are this chronic of a problem. Heck let's take something like "allocation of resources." The following had nothing to do with the other M3J post but rather to illustrate simple slogan meant nothing. Unless there are continuous watchful work.

https://flushingpost.com/54000-resi...qajDddPqo-o4g22TGB_8OECWakTwMLtANkl5BfBG5tLEE

Let said you decide to withdraw some money from the police department and threw it to homelessness problem. "The development is expected to cost around “$440 million” for a “90 units.” That is 4.8 million per unit. Let's said 3 people stay at a unit. We are looking at 1.6 million per person. Hell, I would totally gave out 1.6 million to each of those 270 people and make them instant millionaire over night and tell them to go to somewhere with a lower cost of living than this. IF you think the government via the police are wasteful in spending. Then it should also applied that they can be inefficient elsewhere. There are cities that spend so so so so much into education without much results. Spending can be good, but it always need oversight. And PUNISHMENT for those who failed in their tasks. Where you build the homeless center will also be a political issue. As I illustrate, how people CONCENTRATED all of them in a few spots and cause extreme damages. This applied to mental health as well. Mental health had a wide range. The most severe that result in random violent. Do anyone want that center in their backyard. That will be a political issue in itself that require local voting.

So to the person who was talking about "talk no jutsu" to the homeless. This is my frustration with defunding the police crowd. Some meant "reallocation of resource" but maintain a police force. Others meant total abolish of the police. Yet other, meant abolished the existing police force, like fire all of them, and rebuild again from the beginning. The "talk no jutsu" guy seemed to be on the first category. And you seemed to be on the second.

I gave you scenario, there is a crisis. A husband and wife broke up. The husband kidnapped the kid. Having a mental melt down. Trying to commit a murder-suicide to get back at the wife. He is armed. This happened. That child was me. In this specific and IMMEDIATE instance. Who do you call? Who supposed to take care of this? Since in this utopia there is no police. Or are we gonna come up with something like "peacekeeper" which function just as polices. Which would be like the third category something that anarchist usually fell for. They hate the government. But in their utopia in which when problems arrived. They also constructed an institution that basically a government.

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Don't engage in spite politics. It's okay to adjust your political leaning as you come to value different things, but not just because you don't like the people arguing for your current political position. I'd never argue that Sanity Check should stop being a Republican just because of people like Candace Owens and Stephen Crowder being grifting pieces of shit. I'd argue against the policies the Republican party stand for.

There are progressives that push things too far and are pretty cringeworthy, but they'll never be so cringeworthy that I'll ever become a Republican, because their cringe won't change my values.

And they shouldn't change yours either.

What I meant is this, back in the days, anti-sjw is very popular. People paid lipservice to the "story." It is about the story and the quality. And not just representation for the sake of representation. ANd or of inclusivity ruined the quality somehow. Well that is all fine, and something I can get on board with. Skipped to a few years latter. And all the people whiny about how Spiderman had a black girlfriend (Homecoming) and his school has so much minorities. Whereas the "half-black" girlfriend is partially why that movie had one of the best villain twist EVER. Or Ms Marvel tv show right now that got reviewed bombed to oblivion into the WORST RATED MCU property ever. Even if you hate all the MCU, everything has a gradient. And I watch MS Marvel, I thought it is great. And even if I think it is bad, it is no where near the bottom of the MCU barrel. Woke suddenly became too many minorities in a show. And everyone just stop paying lipservice to the actual quality.

And that is something minor, something major like a school shooting. I don't mind if someone is pro gun, I think there can be reasonable pro gun argument even if I disagree with those arguments. I can still think they can be sound. But we skipped that altogether. We nolonger even pretend to engage. Right after the shooting, people blasted the democrats as politicized the tragedy while politicizing the tragedy by bringing in things that are 6 degree in separation from the actual problem like prayer in school, that school teaching too much critical race theory/grooming kids to be gay, to immigration, to lessen the value of life with abortion. At least, gun is more relevant than all those things. And I don't mind if they said, I disagree. But the whole "politicizing the tragedy" is to shut the debate down altogether. WHILE WHILE, they pushing their own politics through this tragedy. It is unreal.

On the left, the whole blanket trying to say rioting/looting are okay. Or even arson.

âBoogaloo Boiâ charged in fire of Minneapolis police precinct during George Floyd protest

Ivan Harrison Hunter, a Texas rightwing extremist, bragged about helping to set the fire then was seen shooting 13 rounds at the building

www.theguardian.com

One Author's Controversial View: 'In Defense Of Looting'

In her provocative book, writer Vicky Osterweil argues that looting is a tool to bring about change in society.

www.npr.org

Let's me tell you how absurd it is. So some white supremacist group was behind an arson trying to stir the plot even more. So you got these "liberals" defending it as long as they think "black people" and or their "political allies" are behind it. They were literally defending white supremacists in some case without even knowing it. Not that non-black liberals and black rioters/looters are any better. And I am totally opposed to them just as well. And I am very intentional separate these people from activists and protestors. Because people don't just wake up one day and decide to be a looter. They either was a career criminal. And or morally compromised in the first place, and use the chaos as an opportunity.

One Author's Controversial View: 'In Defense Of Looting'

In her provocative book, writer Vicky Osterweil argues that looting is a tool to bring about change in society.

www.npr.org

It was systematic in places. https://minnesotareformer.com/2020/...pandemic-now-picking-up-pieces-after-looting/

IF you talk about the oppression Olympics, look no further than the Hmong. They are NEVER THE MAJORITY in any country they live in. In many Asian countries they are the 3rd or the 4th or even the 5th largest minority group. Most of them were mountain people, don't make any money. And why are they in the USA? They are here because they are war/political refugees. They were promised by the USA government to fight against the vietnamese for probably some sort of independence nation of their own. And like the Kurds after them, being abandon by the USA. They came here without any wealth. Let said you a looter. Once you loot up a place. And then in peace time, look into the eyes of the owner of that place to buy something. How disgusting would that be.

What I am trying to say is that, the left in their own words persuade me to be further away from them. And the right doing the same.

I have my own set of values and principles. I thought they were liberals. But maybe they are not. Maybe it is just my own.

This is also why I love that in One Piece, Hody's answer that nothing was done to him. And I thought, that is a much better portrayal of the rage, of the hatred, of the prejudice in places like the USA. Many of these people that done violent may not even face any injustice themselves. And sometimes, you ask white supremacist on why they hate black people. Some of them, don't even have any direct exp with black people.

And M3J, make me realize something that conservatives said, something along the like of Learned "helplessness." Conservatives said liberals had too much of a victim mentality. And when some liberals are now just abandon representative democracy, local political structures, even without trying in the first place. Is probably a reflect on this "learned helplessness." That there is nothing that they can do to improved their condition. I do believe in big government. But at the same time, I still think the biggest factor that can improve your life is you.

South Americans fleeing drug cartels crossed thousand of miles, through a desert to come to the USA. And when south vietnamese, some who were forced to become political prisoners like re-education camp, flee the country where million died at sea. And abandon so much of what they owned behind. And then I heard of all the excuses of why people don't want to move out of a ghetto where their own children's lives are in jeopardy. Heck, I would lose big buck, and still it is an easy choice. And even worst, Trevor Noah did a segment. And this applied on a lot of these "gentrification" complaining. People complained about cost of living/property tax going up. WHILE SITTING IN A MULTI MILLION DOLLARS HOUSES that they bought for just a small fraction off (and they probably got all that money back anyway since they didn't have to rent for YEARS). They could be instant millionaire over night and move to a lower cost of living places and retired early. And am I supposed to feel bad for that?

 

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A Republican theme on abortions: 'It's OK for me, evil for thee'

An illustrious list of Republican men are publicly anti-choice, but privately have supported women in their lives having abortions

www.theguardian.com

How does any of this address what you quoted?

A counter argument to my post.

A growing gap in premature deaths along party lines underscores the collision of politics and public health

We can no longer pretend that politics doesn't permeate American health care and policy. While the separation of medicine and politics is aspirational, particularly in the U.S., that ship has sailed.

www.statnews.com

I say that based on a comprehensive analysis my colleagues and I performed and published Tuesday in The BMJ. In this study, in which we linked U.S. mortality and election data from 2001 to 2019, people in counties that voted for Republican presidential candidates were more like to die prematurely than those in counties that voted for Democratic candidates, and the gap has grown sixfold over the last two decades. We found similar results when we looked only at counties that voted for one party’s candidate throughout that period, as well as when we used state election data for governors.

As death rates in Democratic counties declined 22% between 2001 to 2019, Republican counties saw on an 11% decline, with almost no improvement since 2008.

What to make of this.

 

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I don't really think mortality and election data has anything to do with suggesting that the world is/will be better suited for Christian Conservatives and some half-baked notion about meritocracy, no. And you completely ignored my point that the majority of the most Christian countries being incredibly poor.

There is a more broadly obvious correlation between wealth and Western hegemony/imperialism. If you want to advocate for Christianity's role in that, be my guest, I might even agree.

 

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And you completely ignored my point that the majority of the most Christian countries being incredibly poor.

Christ never became wealthy in the riches of the world.

It makes sense for followers of Christ to follow a similar path in life?

 

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Christ also got crucified... Probably best that followers of Christ don't follow his footsteps too closely

 

[xi0]

Christ never became wealthy in the riches of the world.

It makes sense for followers of Christ to follow a similar path in life?

So then material conditions are only irrelevant if you're actually poor? Not really following your point.

My point was that if "christian conservatives" had the answer for how to survive in today's world, then countries that are 90+% Christian wouldn't be among the poorest countries in existence. But that's how it is, and that details an answer that has very little to do with faith or even political persuasion.

 

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So then material conditions are only irrelevant if you're actually poor? Not really following your point.

In the words of Kanye West back before he lost his god damned mind: "Money isn't everything, but not having it is."

Side note: Is everyone enjoying the Jan. 6 hearings as much as me? Barr throwing haymakers, lol.

 

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I've read about the hearings a bit but I have zero hope anything will come out of them. Since democrats are too spineless to do anything at all without republican's permission.

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And there's that. Biden poll's straight up worst than trump.

 

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Christ also got crucified... Probably best that followers of Christ don't follow his footsteps too closely

Christians in the philippines commemorate Christ by nailing themselves to crosses with actual nails. (There are clips of it on youtube)

Too late.

So then material conditions are only irrelevant if you're actually poor? Not really following your point.

My point was that if "christian conservatives" had the answer for how to survive in today's world, then countries that are 90+% Christian wouldn't be among the poorest countries in existence. But that's how it is, and that details an answer that has very little to do with faith or even political persuasion.

As mentioned, King David murdered a husband and took his wife, after becoming a rich ruling elite.

There may not be many wealthy christians if many of them convert to atheism after amassing their wealth and power. As a rich ruling elite there are many things they can do and get away with which normal people cannot. I think many choose to walk a path where they reduce their moral restrictions and abandon the moral code of the bible.

So it makes sense for demographics being what they are.

 

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Christians in the philippines commemorate Christ by nailing themselves to crosses with actual nails. (There are clips of it on youtube)

Sure, it's pretty idiotic, but not really the same - certainly a whole lot less lethal

Anyway, shouldn't this all be discussed on the religion thread?
Seems to be rather off-topic to me

 

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As mentioned, King David murdered a husband and took his wife, after becoming a rich ruling elite.

There may not be many wealthy christians if many of them convert to atheism after amassing their wealth and power. As a rich ruling elite there are many things they can do and get away with which normal people cannot. I think many choose to walk a path where they reduce their moral restrictions and abandon the moral code of the bible.

So it makes sense for demographics being what they are.

It doesn't make sense, no. Plenty of very wealthy people are still religious and not "converting" to atheism.

People do those things all of the time, regardless of whether they're very wealthy or not. The difference is the wealthy doing it has far-reaching consequences for everyone in society.

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I kind of wonder what the brass tacks argument is against these two being in jail?