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He changed site policy because he decided he no longer liked the twitter account tracking his private jet. The issue is real-time flight tracking information is protected by the first amendment. So you're either a free speech absolutist like he enjoys cosplaying as, or you're a hypocritical clown like he actual is.
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Oh, is it? I wouldn't have expected that. I mean, I figured the information was available somewhere, just didn't think that something that seems relatively private would go as far as being a first amendment issue. His actual posture on free speech is absurd regardless.
 

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Yeah but centrists and some liberals don't think they're well into the right, but that they're "pragmatic" and "unbiased."

I don't think Twitter is really pro-establishment though, otherwise it'd have shut down most talks of strikes against companies like Kellogg's.
Depends on how you look at things. Democratic elites are well to the left of Democratic voters on social issues, and well to the right on pocketbook issues. Historically, today's Democratic Party is akin to the 1980s GOP. Reagan, during his presidency, raised taxes 12 times, passed gun control, screwed labor repatedly, and granted amnesty to illegal immigrants. When he was governor of California, he instituted the largest tax increase in the state's history and expanded abortion (though he came to regret that). People who knew Reagan, including his own children, are of the opinion that Reagan would be considered a hardcore leftist by today's political standards. That's how far to the right America's political system has shifted to the right over the past 40 years.
 

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Depends on how you look at things. Democratic elites are well to the left of Democratic voters on social issues, and well to the right on pocketbook issues. Historically, today's Democratic Party is akin to the 1980s GOP. Reagan, during his presidency, raised taxes 12 times, passed gun control, screwed labor repatedly, and granted amnesty to illegal immigrants. When he was governor of California, he instituted the largest tax increase in the state's history and expanded abortion (though he came to regret that). People who knew Reagan, including his own children, are of the opinion that Reagan would be considered a hardcore leftist by today's political standards. That's how far to the right America's political system has shifted to the right over the past 40 years.
HOw are they well to the left? I haven't seen them really be to the left compared to most voters, especially given things like screwing labor.
 

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HOw are they well to the left? I haven't seen them really be to the left compared to most voters, especially given things like screwing labor.
Democratic elites are far more ideologically homogeneous than the party has ever been. The consensus is on how to move the party further to the left. This can put elites at odds with their base. A good chunk of the Democratic base, especially black voters, identify as conservative. While they're more supportive of issues like immigration, for example, compared to the GOP, many still view immigrants as cultural and economic threats and are receptive to the idea of reducing overall levels of immigration.

Adding on to labor, there was an ideological shift within the Democratic Party going all the way back to the 1970s. The "New Left" (e.g., Clinton, Carter) were pro-business and hostile toward labor. During the 1980s, illegal firings were at an all time high during the Reagan Administration, and it's often thought that Reagan's firing of the air traffic controllers was labor's Waterloo. What often gets overlooked is the fact that if Carter had won re-election, he was planning on firing them too and replacing them with non-union employees. Even during the Carter presidency, when Democrats had both control of the House and a filibuster proof Senate, they couldn't pass any legislation to expand union rights. Labor law hasn't undergone any major revisions since the 1960s. Democratic support of NAFTA and allowing China to enter the WTO were also vehemently opposed by labor, and Democrats paid a major price for killing off their base as they're no longer competitive in states like Ohio and West Virginia.
 

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A good chunk of the Democratic base, especially black voters, identify as conservative
This is too much of an exaggeration IMO. Just a cursory search returns numbers like 10-15% of Democrat or Democratic-leaning voters identifying as a conservative and about the same number of black Democrat or Democratic-leaning voters identify as conservative.
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You could probably say it's more than GOP voters who identify as liberal but that's to be expected
 

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OMG Musk revealed the deep state! *sight*
 

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Conservatives apparently think freedom of speech means you're required to listen to them and that they can't be avoided. Them being blocked LITERALLY means their voices are being suppressed.

Will be funny to watch bots run rampant though, I'm sure none of them will complain about that.
 

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This is too much of an exaggeration IMO. Just a cursory search returns numbers like 10-15% of Democrat or Democratic-leaning voters identifying as a conservative and about the same number of black Democrat or Democratic-leaning voters identify as conservative.

You could probably say it's more than GOP voters who identify as liberal but that's to be expected
At a glance, yes. Democrats that identify as conservative only make up a minority. Bear in mind though that many Democrats, especially black voters, feel compelled to vote Democratic because of peer pressure. In private, they're receptive to voting Republican. Bear in mind too that politics is like identifying with your favorite football team. People identify as "liberal" because they identify with the Democratic Party, but they are operationally conservative instead of being operationally liberal.
 

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At a glance, yes. Democrats that identify as conservative only make up a minority. Bear in mind though that many Democrats, especially black voters, feel compelled to vote Democratic because of peer pressure. In private, they're receptive to voting Republican. Bear in mind too that politics is like identifying with your favorite football team. People identify as "liberal" because they identify with the Democratic Party, but they are operationally conservative instead of being operationally liberal.
Not to be overly pedantic or anything, but there's no hard data to back something like this up, as it's mostly anecdotal. Not saying it's flawed or anything, but peer pressure can go both ways. The community in which you exist can be hostile to whatever is less popular. There's plenty of liberal voters in the south and midwest who aren't open about it for the same reasons.

There's also a stark difference between voting for the "opposite" party in municipal and state elections and voting for them in federal elections. I've voted multiple times for my county councilman despite him being Republican. Granted, the sort of policy municipal officials have a hand is mostly no-brainer things like repairing roads or building new schools but yeah.
 

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Wait, wouldn't it be a lot easier to just say "black people are generally socially conservative" instead of just saying we're conservative period?

Because the conservative beliefs revolve around religion and lgbtq+ stuff and that's about it. I super hate how long it's taking us to progress with the rest of America on that front, but I won't lie and claim we're there yet.
 

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Isn't that kinda trafficking people? How is it not a straight up crime?
 

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Isn't that kinda trafficking people? How is it not a straight up crime?
Kinda?

I guess the federal government would need to prosecute or something. Which... I'm not sure why they don't. Probably Democrats just being chickenshit again. We already know the next congress is going to try to impeach Biden, so who gives a shit IMO.
 

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shit like this is why Abbott is going to win again unless Dems find a way to ensure majority of Dems can vote.
 

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And yet he's taking American tax dollars in the form of Ukrainian aid to help keep internet access during the war.
 

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Kinda?

I guess the federal government would need to prosecute or something. Which... I'm not sure why they don't. Probably Democrats just being chickenshit again. We already know the next congress is going to try to impeach Biden, so who gives a shit IMO.
Oh ok, so I am not missing anything here. I figured there could be some sort of loophope as to why someone is even allowed to drop illegal immigrants at the VP's home. There's plenty of instances at the US where crime is basically legal so it's kinda hard to tell when something is legal and when something is just democrats being cartoonishly craven.
 

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Oh ok, so I am not missing anything here. I figured there could be some sort of loophope as to why someone is even allowed to drop illegal immigrants at the VP's home. There's plenty of instances at the US where crime is basically legal so it's kinda hard to tell when something is legal and when something is just democrats being cartoonishly craven.
My guess is the bus was chartered by Abbott's office, so it's not a matter of the capitol police or the FBI arresting anyone per se, but a matter of subpoenas being sent to him or whoever arranged it.

Or hey, maybe I'm just talking out of my ass and there really is no legal route to take here.
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My guess is the bus was chartered by Abbott's office, so it's not a matter of the capitol police or the FBI arresting anyone per se, but a matter of subpoenas being sent to him or whoever arranged it.

Or hey, maybe I'm just talking out of my ass and there really is no legal route to take here.
Subpoenas? This sounds like fairly conventional crime so.. wouldn't actual criminal investigations make more sense? Now that I think about it this has happened before and there have never been investigations as far as I know. Where is abott even getting illegal immigrants from? Is he using public resources for this nonsense?
 

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Subpoenas? This sounds like fairly conventional crime so.. wouldn't actual criminal investigations make more sense? Now that I think about it this has happened before and there have never been investigations as far as I know. Where is abott even getting illegal immigrants from? Is he using public resources for this nonsense?
Well yeah, I was assuming there was a crime that could be prosecuted. Yeah, Desantis did the same thing in Florida. That was even more deranged though because it was on Martha's Vineyard, so they couldn't just put random people on a bus, they had to make them board an airplane.


There's things like this, but nothing criminal. And yeah, Desantis has allocated $12m dollars for these stunts supposedly.
 
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