I feel like I did respond, but it's like talking to a wall. You give me the impression that if an innocent person defended himself or herself against a violent cop or a troop, you'd label that person a murdering terrorist.
You claimed Hasan was right in what he says and that Destiny isn't. I posted like 7 quotes Hasan made, and you only responded to ONE while ignoring the others because you knew you couldn't defend them.
I feel like that research of his that you claim he did is missing a lot of details, like Qassamites killing two Jews and hurting a third one due to their leader being murdered. I don't know if he changed his views on Palestine since April, but it seems he's a Zionist or at least, supports Israel and is anti-Palestinian. That's enough for me to assume he likely hasn't done proper research or biased in what he addresses.
Here's his debate outline that he prepared for his 5 hour debate with Norman Finkelstein.
Debate Outline - Destiny's Notebook - Powered by Obsidian Publish.
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It's even color-coded so it's not a lot of reading to figure out his exact stance on Israel/Palestine, but I'll post the reasoning and you can click on the link to see his works sited to make sure he's not talking out of his ass if you actually care about the proof for his claims:
Primary Claims
- Britain over-promised the same land to two people. Jewish people bought tracts of land in Palestine from willing Arab sellers even before British guarantees to a right to settle in Palestine. It's inarguable that the Arabs living within the borders of Mandatory Palestine felt betrayed by the British. The Jewish people, however, were betrayed as well. In the wake of the perceived British betrayal, and in the aftermath of the Holocaust, both sides would have felt justified in fighting the other for control over this land. At some point, however, it must be recognized that Israel emerged from the fighting in this region victorious, and surrounding Arab states were forced to recognize Israel as a legitimate entity.
- Why is this important?
- Factual Disagreement - It is incorrect to state that incoming Jews were clearly in the wrong, and that they were a colonial project by Great Britain.
- Moral Significance: It is important to recognize that the founding of Israel represented promises made to both Jewish citizens and Ottoman Empire subjects because it illustrates the moral fallibility of assigning blame in the early stages of the Mandatory Palestine period to either the Jews or the Arabs. Blame should be more heavily assigned to Great Britain.
2. While Israel might have been initially hungry for extra territory, the Arab states constantly gave Israel an excuse to take territory from them. The 1939 White Paper by British would have guaranteed a Palestinian state in 10 years, but Husseini and the AHC rejected it. In 1947, Israel accepted the UN Partition plan while the Arabs refused and instead invaded in 1948. In 1949 (The Lausanne Conference), Israel agreed to accept 100,000 refugees or annex the Gaza Strip in exchange for peace and recognition of its borders, yet the Arabs refused. In 1956, Egypt's closures of the Straits of Tiran gave Israel legitimate
casus belli. In 1967, despite repeated requests from Israel not to attack, Jordan attacked anyway along with Egypt and Syria, losing the West Bank in the process. Israel was willing to return the Golan Heights in 1967 to Syria in exchange for peace. When Israel attempted to reach a final agreement on the Palestinian problem in 2000, and again in 2008, Arafat and Abbas refused.
- Why is this important?
2. Factual Disagreement - It is incorrect to say that Israel was acting territorially greedy against passive states, and that the Arab states around them were not engaged in a healthy amount of provocation on their own.
3. Moral Significance - It is important to recognize that, especially in 1948, every state in the region was hungry for land, and the push for territorial conquest was not one-sided. It's also important to recognize that, while Israel ultimately succeeded in conquering additional land, there were multiple opportunities for Arabs to push for peace in ways that would have forced Israel to agree. Peace between Israel and the Arab states didn't come until much, much later because everyone in the region assumed that additional fighting would lead to additional territorial gains, but this only proved to be true for Israel.
3. The mythologies, loaded languages and international virtue signaling of both sides severely hamper any ability for either people to make progress in this conflict. The victory of Israel in the 1967 war drove their expectations for territorial acquisition to unrealistic heights, causing them to underestimate their Arab neighbors for a crushing psychological defeat in 1973. Similar myths exist on the Palestinian side, where surrounding Arab neighbors drove their expectations for land to unrealistic height, then the international community through UN Resolutions and international declarations made them believe they would acquire a state within the 1967 borders if they simply held out long enough. Constant claims of "apartheid", "concentration camp conditions" and "genocide" have left the Palestinians believing someone in the international community is going to come along and save them from their predicament.
- Why is this important?
- Factual Disagreement - The legal status of every single part of this conflict is incredibly hairy, with no clear answers on any side.
- Moral Significance - By constantly claiming that Israel is committing apartheid, or genocide, or forcing Palestinians to live in concentration camps, the international community is making it seem as though the conditions the Palestinians live in are so dire that someone externally is going to swoop in and save them. This will not happen, the Palestinians need to unite around a coherent leadership structure so they can negotiate with Israel and save themselves.
2. So the end result is, he endorsed killing. And as result, his Twitch got indefinitely suspended, if Wiki is correct. You complain about Hasan defending terrorists, but Destiny basically said he supported right wingers murdering Black protesters who want cops to stop killing Black people and getting away with it. So that makes him look like a racist. I didn't even know this though, but I love how you confirm that he is not a good person.
That's not what he got indefinitely suspended for, he got indefinitely suspended because of the "trans people in sports" debate, where he said "there's no point in ever talking to these inbred dipshits anymore". This was dubbed transphobic hate speech. When you hear someone say incorrectly that Destiny is transphobic, this is the reason why: because he was attacking the trans Twitch streamers that accused him of being transphobic for not thinking that trans women should compete in professional/paid sporting events, but should be allowed to compete in grade school and small stakes leagues that are about fun and not profit. Basically, any league that allows intergender competition would be fine because they already account for differences in musculature and bone structure.
Twitch corporate kept the reasoning for the ban secret up until last month.
3. What the fuck is ethically acquired CP? I don't want to google this and get flagged, but this is a fucked up logic. Nothing will stop creeps from sexually abusing or assaulting children, women, or whatnot, apart from jail and isolation. Anyone in any way for this and not for isolation of these people are very suspicious.
Content the FBI has access to after taking it from arrested pedos. That is to say, content that already exists, or exists in the form of art. And it's meant to see if it's a preventative measure for pedos that have not offended, because you can't turn off sexual compulsion, but you can mitigate it. After all, something like 97% of all child molesters aren't pedophiles but rather, sexual opportunists. That 3% might stay that way if they don't feel a need to act on their paraphelia. These are all just questions though, there's no way to test it, and it shouldn't be tested, which he admits. He was just curious if it would be considered a viable pathway to preventing offenses like these as long as it worked.
4. So he's a victim blamer because he insulted her and did not try to understand her. And insulting her too. Anyone who actually cared about victims would understand that it's not her fault, she was either likely too scared to say no, or she was pressured into going with it even if she said or gave signs that she didn't want to have sex.
He didn't say it's her fault it happened, he said she's retarded for continuously putting herself in situations where it CAN happen, and is too dumb to live the life she lives. Not crazy at all for the average person to think "Maybe I stop bringing strangers home with me after the second or third sexual assault. That or I should learn to say no."
5. According to some sources, Twitch banned Israelis and Palestinians from signing up because they didn't want either side sharing graphic videos or violent videos of Oct 7.
That is the excuse they gave, but that's a lie, because the code used was meant to error out if people in Israel or Palestine tried to sign up, however, Lebanon, Egypt, and Jordan is where all of their infrastucture (servers) for Twitch in Palestine is located so people in Palestine weren't actually effected. It was just to cover their asses and say "See, the code says Palestine is blocked out too". It was blocke dout, but not really, since their servers were elsewhere. No such luck for Israel though.
This was also a silent ban. They didn't mention that to anyone. And they claimed it was an email only ban, but that's not true because Israelies couldn't use their phones to do it either. It was a ban of half the world's Jews from their public platform, simple as.
Your source is... a Wiki that's likely biased towards Destiny?
They have links to the videos of everything Hasan's done so far, so none of it is made up.
Most, if not all, doesn't seem like he is pro-terrorist. According to that link, he doesn't support Taliban, he supports what happened to Dan Crenshaw. Can't blame him after seeing the things Dan has said.
He does support the Taliban. He continuously claims that Crenshaw had his eye fucked out of his skull by a "brave soldier", not a "terrorist". This is what he thinks of members of the Taliban: that they're brave soldiers, not terrorists. This is the guy that says USA deserved 9/11. He also continuously said that soft power is the same as hard power, implying that terrorist attacks on embassies are justifiable because they're the same thing.
Hamas aren't terrorists, they're defending Palestinians and fighting back against a terrorist state. He even says that Palestinians have the legal ground to violently take back their homes, though I don't agree with him saying babies are fair games, or every single civilians.
Yes they are terrorists. Defending Hamas is defending terrorists.
I forgot what he talked about with the Houthi collaborator, but I know people were supporting Houthis because of how they were making Zionists miserable and making it harder for them to do evil stuff. Given that Wiki says the Houthis are antisemitic, and that page apparently says Houthis said "curse on the Jews," they can go fuck themselves.
That exact video they show here is a video of Houthis kidnapping filipinos who aren't affiliated with Israel in any manner. 15 of them. And they're still held hostage to this day. It wasn't even a ship headed to Israel. Hasan has yet to be banned for this, despite it being against Twitch ToS.
For the most part, Hasan correct based on what we've seen. I'm sure Destiny chose to ignore all that though. Did destiny ever address Biden lying about seeing pictures of decapitated babies and whatever else he claimed? That Israel was exposed as the ones raping men, women, and children? Hasan's views on USA and Israel are likely due to knowing their real histories and how evil the two are.
You've got video proof in your face right now that this is incorrect. And yes, he did address decapitated babies, in the first 3 minutes of this video right here:
Him being okay with antisemitism does not sit right with me though. Or saying killing babies and innocent Israelis is justified. IF that destiny wiki isn't lying.
Don't trust Destiny's claim, and don't trust mine. Watch the damn video evidence.
