Discussion Are Supernova crews stronger than Strawhats?

[kkck]

Dunno, to me the notion that the supernova crews grew more than the strawhats is plain weird. The supernova did spend the last 2 years in the NW and all that but the strawhats by no means had it easy. Their training was meant to push them to a level where a crew of their notoriety would be able to survive the NW. The way I see it the strawhats were without a doubt the most notorious crew of the supernova back in the day. Every member had highly specialized skills and every member was a wanted criminal. None of the supernova crews had that distinction. If the supernova crews managed to grow more than the rest of the strawhats then the situation is that their training was a failure.

 

[diavolo]

no they are not with some exceptions of course like killer and maybe some other high ranking crew members like the man that law freed at Shambondy
the SH crew where trained by elites on various subjects in some way
Rayleigh(Dark King) no comment
Mihawk no comment
Recolutionary Army mystery but still it is amazing of what robin would possibly gain from them(training/info both??)
the Heracles is obviously no pushover(and maybe he has some shocking background)
the weatheria is a treasure trove for nami the navigator/chartographer of the crew
trained by the Okama masters and maybe even Ivankov himself nuf said\
Brook is a mystery but he picked a nice sword and learned music-hypnotism
Franky got upgraded with amazing technology(possibly with even Tech that vegapunk was afraid to test hypothetically)
Chopper he spend 2 tears polishing his skills and knowledge in an amazing library and he fiddled with new herbs

i considered not only battle strength but also the effectivenes of the role each has ex. Zoro fighter, Chopper doctor

 

[M3J]

Other Supernova would not be crazy enough to go to a Marine base, burn the flag that symbolizes the world government, and rescue the most wanted criminal while destroying the base. I honestly don't see anything wrong with one or two SUpernova crew being stronger than the Straw Hats or having higher bounty overall.

 

[lildeboe16]

Yes M3J not many pirates will do that especially in the SN and shakky said that the only reason Kidds is higher is because his cruelty onto innocent

 

[Ricko]

It's difficult to compare the crew as luffy's one is based with elite, when other seem to have more fodders.

But if we compare Kidd Crew (I assume the strongest crew) and Strawhat there is

The captains - let say there are equal strong
Zorro and Killer - Let assume they are also same Strong
Sanji -> I didn't saw someone with his strong at the moment, until we saw it we can assume he stomp all the rest of Kidd Crew
Franky -> Not Sanji strong but don't seem to have equal opponent.

In Kidd crew the only one who don't seem to be fodder are the flamethrowing guy with dread and the Big guy in black.
They seem strong and I think they can defeat the weaker strawhats like Nami, Usopp or maybe Brook, but they didn't show better feat.

The problem for SN crew is to manage beast like Sanji and Franky, I think SN fodder crew may have the level of G5 Troops, who survived in New world, but can't go against big name.

But I think there will be surprise, other Supernova can recruit strong guy too, Law was the first with Jean Bart, we can assume new strong guys had join Kidd and the other.

 

[lildeboe16]

Now lets assume that the SN did in fact recruit more guys which we havent seen yet I believe that it would be Kidds crew who can actually be on par with the SH because the only members of Kidds crew that we have seen are just Killer and Sniper that Appo beat down. But hey we havent seen any SN crew since the start of the TS so cant really say if they are stronger or not ans just have to wait and see

 

[Ricko]

I was talking of those 2 guys, who got a name and seem stronger than the average crew member.

http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Heat
http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Wire

 

[lildeboe16]

I was talking of those 2 guys, who got a name and seem stronger than the average crew member.

http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Heat
http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Wire

Yea i know but I'm talking about possible new recruits within the 2 year TS in which we havent seen the SN full crews

 

[vagabond87]

Dunno, to me the notion that the supernova crews grew more than the strawhats is plain weird. The supernova did spend the last 2 years in the NW and all that but the strawhats by no means had it easy. Their training was meant to push them to a level where a crew of their notoriety would be able to survive the NW. The way I see it the strawhats were without a doubt the most notorious crew of the supernova back in the day. Every member had highly specialized skills and every member was a wanted criminal. None of the supernova crews had that distinction. If the supernova crews managed to grow more than the rest of the strawhats then the situation is that their training was a failure.

Basic for your statement is assuming that they were equaly strong while in fact Supernovas surviving without problems in new world(Kidd had along with Killer but rest of SN doesnt look as they went through as much as Kidd and his crew) point to them being possibly even stronger than strawhats.
Not that they would win with them and their willpower but its very likely that Kidd or Drake or somebody else were stronger than Luffy who was hinted to not be a powerhouse when he fought in War of the best but still his willpower was incomparable to anybody else.

I would not put Supernovas crews like Kidds behing Luffys(though Kidds crew at least before timeskip lacked its Sanji- 3rd powerhouse in crew).

Supernovas probably didnt grown as much as strawhats because some of them were already stronger than SH before time skip but training for our Crew is most likely giving them and edge now over rest of supernovas. That would be point of training imo- getting and edge in abilities.

Good example is Sanji - if he would be present at Dressrosa then he would just sky walk to palace with Law and Luffy and 3 of them would very likely beat up Doflamingo and Trebol. All thanks to mobility and power that Sanji gotten through timeskip.

 

[Holt]

Basic for your statement is assuming that they were equaly strong while in fact Supernovas surviving without problems in new world(Kidd had along with Killer but rest of SN doesnt look as they went through as much as Kidd and his crew) point to them being possibly even stronger than strawhats.

The Strawhats could infact survive in the basic new world. The problem was their notoriety and their actions that make them stand out which would attract top marines and the strongest pirates to them. Look at shanbody for example, Kidd and laws combined crew only had to worry about one pacifista, and kizaru went solo on like 5 supernovas (defeating them btw), the SH's had to deal with pacifista, kizaru and sentomaru. The strongest and majority of the marine force went after the Strawhats. That's the same issue they would have had in the new world.

So them sailing out first means nothing. The strawhats were going to as well. Ace's death and their helplessness against kizaru and the px along with rayleigh's advice prevented that.

Kidd, drake or anyone other supernova wouldn't have fared any better than luffy at marineford. That was a battle way outta the league of the supernovas. Kidd at SA, even said that while he was grateful to see luffy's craziness first hand, he wasn't staying to go against an admiral. The other SN's were basically the same. Some outright terrified at the thought of one showing up. Even with their forces all gathered there, they believed they wouldn't stand a chance against an admiral. So you can't fault luffy for marineford. There's probably no SN that can replicate his performance (constantly standing back up and winning everyone's respect, WB included).

 

[vagabond87]

I dont fault Luffy for marineford I mostly agree, at same time I don think it contradicts with what I stated as I see your post as things that I didnt elaborated on.
Still I think that Luffy could have been simply weaker than for example Hawkings, Drake or Kidd or all of them. So I mean that some of Supernovas didnt had to grow as much as Strawhats to be as dangerous as they are(though as kkck said there is a thing with all of Strawhats being specialists in some department, a group of very special individuals and other SN crews lack that for most part.

 

[Holt]

Yeah I agree that he could have been weaker than some or stronger than all. We can't really say for sure but I don't think using the fact that the SN went to the New world as criteria works.

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I'm also of the opinion that he probably wasn't the strongest outta all of them. I lean towards maybe Kidd being slightly stronger (then) because I think it would be sorta pointless if Oda introduced all those characters and Luffy was still the undisputed champion.

 

[EddyBob15]

I dont fault Luffy for marineford I mostly agree, at same time I don think it contradicts with what I stated as I see your post as things that I didnt elaborated on.
Still I think that Luffy could have been simply weaker than for example Hawkings, Drake or Kidd or all of them. So I mean that some of Supernovas didnt had to grow as much as Strawhats to be as dangerous as they are(though as kkck said there is a thing with all of Strawhats being specialists in some department, a group of very special individuals and other SN crews lack that for most part.

You're calling the only pirate who has so far defeated two Warlords, whose crew took down the strongest generation of CP9 with him beating it's most powerful member, the weakest of the SN?

 

[vagabond87]

You're calling the only pirate who has so far defeated two Warlords, whose crew took down the strongest generation of CP9 with him beating it's most powerful member, the weakest of the SN?

I am calling them most likely not strongest crew of all Supernova mister generalizer.

I dont see Luffy defeating for example Hawkings without having haki, especially if Hawkings would get a hold of any strawhats cloths- Luffy would be beating his friends.
This aspect of his power will be very likely explored when we will see Hawkings fighting Yonko/ Yonko crewmembers.
Same with Kidd or Law- they could have been stronger than Luffy before timeskip. Hard to tell without knowing what they did till their reveal. Maybe Kidd or other supernova defeated some Vice Admiral or famous pirate etc. Power of One Piece is its world and Strawhats are not only pirates having their adventure and beating big enemies. Thats why Supernovas are so great addition to story.

 

[seimei]

I think it is just because the main characters are the strawhats.
We often see them lose first, and win afterwards. Luffy has the Marineford war to brag, i bet almost every Supernovas has their own big time after the New World, we just haven't had Oda tells us yet.

Basically, we saw Luffy and the gang's weaker side more often than the rest of the SN, but that doesn't mean that they are weaker.

I believe that SH is in another level than the other SN.

But, in a term of the quantity of the crew, i think SH is the fewest.

 

[I Am Atomic]

I think it is just because the main characters are the strawhats.
We often see them lose first, and win afterwards. Luffy has the Marineford war to brag, i bet almost every Supernovas has their own big time after the New World, we just haven't had Oda tells us yet.

Basically, we saw Luffy and the gang's weaker side more often than the rest of the SN, but that doesn't mean that they are weaker.

I believe that SH is in another level than the other SN.

But, in a term of the quantity of the crew, i think SH is the fewest.

Yeah, but SH has the quality. Luffy defeated 1000 soldiers, blueno and rob lucci at ennies lobby. 1002 vs 1. the winner = 1

 

[vagabond87]

I think it is just because the main characters are the strawhats.
We often see them lose first, and win afterwards. Luffy has the Marineford war to brag, i bet almost every Supernovas has their own big time after the New World, we just haven't had Oda tells us yet.

Basically, we saw Luffy and the gang's weaker side more often than the rest of the SN, but that doesn't mean that they are weaker.

I believe that SH is in another level than the other SN.

But, in a term of the quantity of the crew, i think SH is the fewest.

What do you mean by "another level"?

They are biggest "team" out there with crew being made only out of talented individuals but I dont expect for example Luffy to be on another level compared to Kidd or Law.

 

[seimei]

What do you mean by "another level"?

They are biggest "team" out there with crew being made only out of talented individuals but I dont expect for example Luffy to be on another level compared to Kidd or Law.

What i mean another level is in the term of strength and willpowr, Luffy might have twice of the amount Kidd has, (assuming Kidd is the highest bounty of all SH), but since bounty does not reflect power, i actually am interested in the match between Luffy and Apoo.

 

[BigBadDogg]

I wonder if some members of the SHs would take on the captains of certain SNs. I believe Brook vs Apoo would make a good fight and Franky vs Capone also.

I can imagine Sanji having to try and outcook the speed of Jewelry Bonney eating and having Luffy get upset about him feeding her over him.

 

[P.I.E.86]

Uh, you seem to forget that the Kidd Pirates had two Supernovas in their crew as well: Kidd and Killer. Does that refresh your memory?

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So, in other words, you're saying that the Straw Hats are at the same level the other Supernovas gained in the New World, though that does leave the question as to who is superior: those who gain experience in the field, or those who gain experience preparing for the field.

The former is always true given the fact that the two groups start out with no experience. However the crews were well into their journey by the time they reached the archipelago. So it makes answering that question, without any concrete proof, much more difficult.