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Fantasy August vs Irene

Discussion in 'Domus Flau' started by WithYouInSpirit, Oct 3, 2016.

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Who wins?

  1. Lord August

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  2. Irene Belserion

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  3. Tie

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    Actually if the Erza fight never happen. I would not think Irene would get the Serena treatment from a serious acno. She will still lose but it wouldnt be a one shot.
     
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    Yes it is. Acno is not a dummy. You think he'd put more effort on a guy who he thought was an ant versus a person he thought was worthy of him speaking? That is funny. The arm swing he did on Irene made a hole from the force while the one he did against Serena was with minimal effort.

    Enchanted straight from Plot and once again it didn't knock her out of it. Dragon form is her real form. She went into her human form to stab Erza with her own sword. She was nowhere near out of it.

    Throwing around Gild? Gild landed multiple direct hits and Cana landed a direct hit. He even felt pain from Cana's card.

    He hit Cana with Meteor.
     
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    Yeah, i dont know whats wrong with people
    Serena isnt even stronger than brandish. Or atleast not stated anywherr in the manga. Human irene will deal with him probably as easily as august dealt with brandiah.
    Dragon irene one shot serena like human aconologia did

    Plot power >>>> aconologia >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> august >>> serena.

    Yet, people keep on jumping the hype train and have mishma disappoint them at every turn :teehee
     
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    Says twice that he's outa time, then there's that whole "lets sacrifice our lives for the sake of his majesty"
    Probably cause it looks exactly like Meteor.
    No, physical objects can be broken. Its no different than Minerva breaking Benisakura or Kyoka breaking Armadura Fairy.

    Deus Sema is far less dangerous in the sky, when it hits the ground is where the real power is at. Why do you think Erza was so desperate to stop it before it got there? Because she would have no hope of stopping the blast wave.
    Erza's offense isnt anywhere close to Eileens, its laughable to even consider. In fact its probably not even at God Serena's level considering past performance this arc.

    Nah if a broken Erza+exhausted Wendy can do it, then everyone and their mothers can with DS advantage. I suppose you could chalk it up to Makarov's power making her even stronger than when she's healthy, but her bones are still all broken, any decent DS should still do the same, especially a top tier like God Serena or a dozen DS from Eileen's past. 2 hits max
     
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    Lol plot saved Irene for Getting no diff by a much more serious acno
    yes because he was hunting down dragons plus he speedblitzes her he wasn't trying to do that to Irene obviously he was toying around with her. Irene isn't that powerful to one shot Serena. That's like sayin Irene would one shot gildartz
     
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    Like i said, this is between relatively equal combatants but Irene is a Dragon while August is not.

    On a more interesting note, I wonder how Universal One Vs August suicidal tech would interact with each other if both were activated around the same time
     
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    After he said that he faught gildarts and cana. And didnt take out either one.
    Nor did he use time magic interestingly enough.
    He decided to commit suicide after getting hit.

    The fact is he didnt use midnight refractor, cobra hearing or racer magic at all against gildarts. He might have used meteor or maybe its like what erza used when she was flying at the deus sema.

    No. Its like erza attacking full power with benzikuru and someone hit it so hard that it breaks. That is also definition of over power.
    Armudura vs ravet from edolas is also a good example.
    Kagura just pushing erza back in gmg made markarov believe kagura was stronger. Imagine what will he have said if kagura broke erza swords.
    Tell me if erza is striking with nakagami and someone clashes against it breaks it. What will you think.
    She wanted to over power it. She went on to face it head on. No difference then if laxus sends that causal nuke down from the ship. Erza will still over power it in the sky so others dont get caught in the backlash of the attack. Explosion will happen Just like in edolas arc
    Solid object means nothing. Non solid spells have been broken as well as burnt. If you are stronger you can do that.

    Deus sema being less dangerous in the sky is complete bs and a very weird hypothesis with no bases in manga.
    Blast wave is in every aoe attack. Is the blast wave more dangerous or actually where the nuke hit is more dangerous.

    Lol serena offence above erza. That is laughable.
    Serena and wahl have one of the weakest offence.
    Base natsu can fuk up bluenote with one hit. Serena needed how many hits to put jura down. Even nienhart can knockout jellal with a causal attack.

    We already know what broken erza can do. Destroy irene top tier move. Has natsu shown to do that no. Can laxus do it. Lol. Nope. Can gajeel do it. Nope.
    Using broken erza to dehype irene is like using half dead laxus to say even levy can take wahl.

    Lets actually be fair.
    August never copied a springgan magic and retained it. But we assume he can do it because we know he copies magic.
    Irene never turned a springgan into a flower. But we know she has that magic. So we will assume she can do it.

    So august calls ds historia. And irene turns them into flowers as soon as they appear.
    Next...
     
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    No it isn't, Acnologia was serious against God Serena, he wanted him dead. His encounter with Irene isn't comparable, it's impressive that he spoke to Irene, but that doesn't mean he was going all out in the slightest. Had he known Irene was an actual dragon and the mother of dragons he would have blitzed her harder than Serena. Also, those arm swings aren't even the same type of attack, the one he used on Irene was just a nameless magical attack whereas he actually tore Serena's lower torso apart with a physical strike. And since the biggest advantage of being a dragon is the insane physicals, I think I'm in the right to claim that Goddy was on the end of a much more severe attack, especially when you consider Acnologia wanted him 6 feet under.
    She went into her human form? Why would she do that if she can just hit them again with a claw swipe? Oh yeah, because her returning to her human form wasn't optional. That slash from Erza practically tore her neck open, she had to switch back. And yes, it was plot BS that made this happen, but again, if we ignore this how are we supposed to gauge what can and can't knock her out of dragon form/slay her?
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    "Multiple direct hits" - There were only two hits that went through August's guard, one at the start when he diced August, the second being Gildarts' new spell. Apart from that, Gildarts was either getting blocked or countered. As for Cana, she had a magic he couldn't nullify, he probably hasn't actually been hit by an attack that caused him pain in years. And tbh it causing him pain doesn't even mean that much in the grand scheme of things because despite being hit, it left him with virtually no marks on him. The same goes for Gildarts' new spell, it may have pained him but he got up right after and didn't have any marks on him (though I guess his hair was ruffled). August completely outclasses Cana and Gildarts, despite them having PoF at the end August just got back up.
    Yes he did... that doesn't go against my statement. He would have killed Cana easily had Gildarts not been there, and even then, all Gildarts could do was try to intercept any blows that came her way. He was absolutely tooling them, and that was with him either being fairly casual (not using any previously copied magic until Meteor, sticking to CQC and bumbling on about his majesty's child) or riddled with PIS (not using previously copied magic to wreck them right at the start).
     
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    Naturally, if he kills them immediately who's he gonna ask about why Zeref's child wasnt loved? He'd just be talking to no one and that would be silly.
    Fact is Eileen didnt shoot Erza outa the sky when she was charging at the Meteor. Its just PiS. August being able to use other peoples magic is as certain as Eileen being resistant to normal magic in Dragon mode. Has Eileen ever shown said resistance? No, but we assume its there.

    Not really, Eileen didnt put anywhere close to all her power into that attack, in fact it was entirely casual. So it'd be like someone breaking Armadura Fairy while Erza wasnt really trying or putting any effort in.

    Actually a more accurate example would be destroying a Lacrima from Laxus' Thunder Palace. Sure the Lacrima have enormous destructive potential, but destroying them while they're in the air is definitely doable.
    Because Kagura wasnt pushing Erza back, she was utterly dominating her, Erza couldnt land a hit. What was Makarov supposed to think?
    Minerva broke Erza's sword, but we all know her offense isnt on Erza's level.
    Depends if Erza loses the fight or not, if Erza is entirely unnaffected by Nakagami's destruction and proceeds to break all the bones in that persons body with a casual swing of her sword then Erza is still significantly stronger despite Nakagami's destruction.
    You cant seriously be telling me you actually believe Erza's slash>Deus Sema? If so then this will be my last reply to this nonsensical argument.
    Erza slashing it out of the sky instead of overpowering the blast wave Makarov style is all the evidence needed.
    Jura and the GoI lol, too bad Erza couldnt even take out the likes of Azuma.

    Natsu, Laxus and Gajeel can obviously do it if Erza can, didnt think that even needed to be said. Just look at her performance against Azir.

    Difference is August has used his abilities on above spriggan tier fighters, Eileen hasnt even turned a wizard into a mouse, just a regular old human. Besides, we just assume that Eileen in dragon form has good durability despite having no showings of it right? But I guess if we arent giving the abilities of top tier spriggans the benefit of the doubt then we can just judge Eileen's durability by her feats..... below Azir tier.

    So Eileen has sub-Azir tier durability. August oneshots with a basic non-DS spell, no need for any Historia.
     
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    If he actually used the abilty once against gildarts then i would agree. But i didnt see him use it even once. So no that not pis. His magic just doesnt seems to work like you dream off
    Rufus can keep magic. August doesnt seems to keep magic he copied.

    Irene clearly said she cant be hurt without ds. And mishma repeatly wanked dragons before that. So we know.
    August not so much.

    It was as casual as wahl etherion canon. And irene hyped to high hevean.
    And then you turned it to grenade instead:teehee

    Lacrima example has no similiarity to this event.

    What if erza was shitting bricks after her nakagami broke? Like irene was.

    I dont believe anything. I just follow what manga clearly showed.
    Pof erza strike > deus sema.
    All things IN MANGA points towards it.
    I just dont believe in nonsense.
    So if you want to make stuffs up to explain why erza or any erza look alike must remain a fodder. Then indeed no need to reply.

    Why would erza over power nuke explosion? When she can over power the nuke it self. Everyone dodges nuke but apparently erza came against one unique example where getting directly hit by the nuke is apparently good thing.
    Lol just lol

    Yes, injured erza performing as clearly stated in the manga at her tenrou version level cant one shot azuma.

    Natsu couldnt even perform aginst brandish lacky. Needed jacob not to use his transport to even fight him.
    Gajeel was pretty useless against bradman.
    Laxus lol. He has that huge nuke. Still fighting fodder soldiers for god knows how long. Needed severe asspull with machina electric weakness to get anywhere.
    Yeah they arent doing shit here.

    Erza performance against azir
    Was much better than natsu performance against aria. Interestingly enough people actually believe in pof to such an extend that they beleive gajeel would not only not get low diffed by aria but actually beat him.
    These people believe natsu went from being low diff by aria to beat someone who is stronger. But god forbids erza can do something like that.
    Lol

    Difference is august hasnt kept even cobra magic.
    Human irene has one of the best durability. Stopping an enhance erza strike with her head.
    Her dragon durability should be top notch. Your dehyping irene durability wont work till you actually prove deus sema meteor was grenade. Not actually meteor.
    Meanwhile august cant one shot cana that for sure. And he was getting injured by cana cards. So his durability is below gmg jura or gmg kugura.
    A metallic object hits him . And he was ready to commit suicide. Just a metallic object lol it would be so much more reasonable if august decided to commit suicide after atleast getting hit by the explosion from gildart spell. (bet you didnt see what i did there :3c)
     
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    Uhuh, not like the manga constantly made clear Eileen>>>Erza before and after that event. But i guess we just see it very, very differently. And looking at all previous feats Erza has displayed i dont think there is a need for me to make my case. So i'll leave it at that.
     
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    @Seven777 I usually agree with everything from your posts, but here's something i want to quote:

    I mean, of course it is. It is canon. Erza's slash, i'd even say a slash from Erza with broken bones and extremely exhausted, HAS CANONICALLY DESTROYED Draon form Irene's Deux Sema.
    I don't really understand why you would think otherwise.
     
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    Cause Deus Sema has the power to wipe out everyone on the battlefield, including Erza. Why wouldnt i think the damage dealt by an attack like that surpasses the damage of a single PoF slash from Erza? I mean am i supposed to believe Deus Sema<Eileen's casual claw swipe too?
     
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    Of course Irene's claw swipe is stronger! It broke every bones from Erza, while that meteor didn't do anything at all.
    Why would i assume that Deus Sema would kill everybody, when even a character who's not even top tier and who has broken bones is easily able to destroy it?
    I really think you're overrating Deus Sema a lot xD
     
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    Haha, you think so? Maybe, but it had a lot of hype behind it. Its just too sad to accept that a Master Enchant spell that Eileen can only access through the powers of the Sage Dragon is weaker than the old claw swipe.
    While imo the Meteor itself probably isnt that much more durable than Plutogrim, or Ikusatsunagi, or any other big chunky thing of that size, i do believe the big explosion that presumably happens when the Meteor hits the ground would be top tier in terms of power like Jellal's Sema was back when he was still relevant power-wise.
     
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    I guess you're kinda right, had the meteor landed it would have dealt huge damage everywhere and probably more so than only broken bones. So in a way we could say this packs more power than Irene's claw for sure. You're right about that.
    I'm basing my point entirely on the fact that Irene's claw is way more difficult to block or counter, compared to that meteor which any top tier could destroy. Of course, had PiS not kicked in, Irene would have not stared at Erza but would have prevented her from trying to destroy the meteor, and it would have been deadly.
     
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    U guys wanna play that game? then august said he is the strongest spriggan while Irene said she the strongest woman of Alvarez. Hiro made that clear therefore august>irene
     
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    Not really. We also saw with Igneel and Acnologia that their physical attacks were more effective than their roars. Irene said so herself that dragon scales are tougher than a meteor. Deus Sema might not even be a dragon slaying spell. There's also this to consider:
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    IMO Irene's dragon form is near the same level as Motherglare, and this is what Irene's claw would have looked like if she struck the ground as opposed to Erza. Instead of going into the ground and acting on the rock, all that force acted upon Erza. If you look at it like that, it's no surprise most of Erza's bones were shattered.
     
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    True, but her physical strength didnt get nearly as much hype. Imo if Erza was actually caught in Deus Sema's blast it wouldve outright killed her, rather than just breaking her bones.
    Though i do think that Eileen's claw swipe would be harder to defend against.
     
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    He said he is the strongest spriggan mage if I recall and Irene is essentially a dragon.:derp
     
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