Final August vs Irene

[Takuan]

Hahaha it's always best when we're on the same page Taku
Pretty much, which is why tbh, I'm not overly impressed by August using Meteor to blitz Gildarts and Cana. It wasn't even an attack he used, he just dodged All Crush, then knocked them around, there was no damage from that instance he used Meteor.
He can use them to dodge her enchantments though, I'll give him that. And maybe catch her off guard a few times, but thats about it. Irene was able to dodge an attack from Acnologia (even if he wasn't being serious), the fact that she could get out of the way in time shows me that after a while Meteor woul be something Irene would be able to react to.

Wait a minute, we're not on the same page anymore xD
What do you mean "dodhe her enchantments"? I was thinking about Meteor dodging her Dragon form attacks, like claw swipes etc.
Why would he need to dodge her enchantments, considering he can just negate the magic?

 

[LaGOAT]

Something that needs to be noted here.
Meteor is NOT a battle technique. The argument that somehow August can land damage to Irene with this technique is a little ludicrous, since as noted by several uses in the past, unless it's accompanied by something else like CQC (What Jellal does), or a secondary spell, the best it can do it knock around the opponent.
If August uses Meteor on Irene, I expect him to get in a few hits and maybe knock her around, but this isn't the key to victory here. He needs to accompany it with another of his spells for it to account for something.

He can use crashing magic when getting hit her by meteor

--- Double Post Merged, Jun 12, 2017, Original Post Date: Jun 12, 2017 ---

Agreed. Meteor will not damage someone of Irene's caliber. Irene has a great tankiness in human form, and a pitiful tankiness in dragon form unless you don't have DSM, which Meteor isn't. That's not going to do shit to Irene.
The only great use of Meteor in that match-up is dodging Irene's attacks - the ones that aren't getting negated.

Crash magic end game

 

[SirSamuel016]

Tell me how Irene will survive getting blitzs by meteor august and then gets cubed after be4 using her dragon form

Because Irene is a dragon, regardless of her appearance. Being "cubed" wouldn't kill her either, she could probably even enchant herself back together given what else she's been able to do with enchantments. Given she's a master of enchantments, she could also do what Wendy does and enchant her own speed so she's faster and try to keep up to August that way.

 

[Jko]

Too bad there is no tie option. For me, Irene and August are equals and whoever wins wouldn't do so with anything less than high difficulty, but good arguments so far and some really perplexing assumptions as well



There is no such thing as Deus Meteor. Irene does not use Heavenly Body Magic and therefore cannot use Meteor, her using Deus Sema doesn't mean she can use HBM since Deus Sema is not HBM, it's Master Enchant, she enchanted a meteorite that was in space and brought it down to the battlefield unlike Jellal who creates one(or the effect of one) using his own MP. The term "Sema" is just used to identify to the reader that a meteorite is used, it means "star crush" or something along those lines while Deus means God in Latin.
Deus Sema involves Enchantment magic while THBM: Sema involves Heavenly Body Magic.

However, since Enchantment can be pretty versatile, Irene should be able to increase her speed, it just wouldn't be via Meteor. Speed wouldn't be the decisive factor anyway.

They called it an advanced version of Jellal's Sema. If her enchantments gives her the ability to use the strongest Heavenly Body spell there is shouldn't she be able to use weaker spells as well?

 

[LaGOAT]

Because Irene is a dragon, regardless of her appearance. Being "cubed" wouldn't kill her either, she could probably even enchant herself back together given what else she's been able to do with enchantments. Given she's a master of enchantments, she could also do what Wendy does and enchant her own speed so she's faster and try to keep up to August that way.

So we allow to give feats now? If that the case august has copy ds magic since he fought cobra. Cool u just made mater worse For Irene becuase a non ds aka erza was able to put damage on her human form so it means she isn't immune to magic so that would make easier for august will use use all crush magic or copy her magic do counter and destroy her august is a liven OP character. @Jko i didn't forgot about u I will come back to debunk ur arguments love debating with u

 

[EmptySoul]

The way August wins in Augusts fans posts to me just looks like them overestimating August to the max and underestimating Irene to the max

Such as saying "August can use multiple spells at the same time" even tho hes never shown such because "hurr durr hes the king of magic" or that he could even defeat Irene without DSM magic because apparently shes a weak dragon and also because again "hurr durr magic king"

The downplaying/overestimating is real here

Well Irene is the "queen of dragons","Creator of DS", "master enchanter" and we dont take those titles into account to say she could do things wayy out of her league :/

The title doesnt mean shit if u cant back it up with feats e.g the "Fairy tactition" title because c'mon nobody here actually buys that shit

 

[Belserion]

So we allow to give feats now? If that the case august has copy ds magic since he fought cobra. Cool u just made mater worse For Irene becuase a non ds aka erza was able to put damage on her human form so it means she isn't immune to magic so that would make easier for august will use use all crush magic or copy her magic do counter and destroy her august is a liven OP character.

Most of the earlier arguments for August has been him having DS Magic. It's nice to see at least someone admits August having DS Magic would be classified as a made up feat considering he's never shown to use it or has confirmed he has it. As for copying her magic he wouldn't be able to do it if she casts from her staff. That's an advantage to Irene.

 

[Jko]

My point is that if it was moving anywhere near as fast as you are claiming, it would have hit the ground either right after or during the moment when the fodders were talking. The fact that they actually had a mini-conversation, and Erza managed to get into the sky, before Deus Sema landed can only mean that it slowed down dramatically after it entered the atmosphere. That's the only logical path here.

If we're talking about Deus Sema in space, then I agree with you since it has no resistance up there. However, if we're talking about it in the atmosphere then I disagree for the reasons stated above.

Why would Irene still be forcing it down via magic? She would have needed to force it via magic when it was still in space, but the second it got into the atmosphere it would have been dragged down due to gravity. And even if Irene was forcing it down, there's still the air resistance to think about.

Neither is in-atmosphere Deus Sema. But Jellal is moving fast enough to blitz Acnologia. And seeing as how August's copying magic tends to make his copied magic more powerful than the original, he should be going even faster than that.

I'm sticking to clear feats here, Irene may have shown to be able to replicate Sema via enchanting, but Meteor is much different. Besides, how would Meteor even work on a dragon? O_o

How are her reaction feats superior to August's? She got blitzed by DF Wendy, though to be fair DF Wendy is fast herself and she blindsided her. That being said, August stomped the entire of Crime Sorciere (bar Meredy and Angel) with ease (keep in mind this includes Meteor Jellal, the guy who blitzed Acnologia), and went on to easily contend with Gildarts + Cana despite being riddled with PIS/CIS. At best, their reaction feats are similar. At worst, August has much better reactions.

Mini conversations don't make a time frame since talking in manga has always been wacky. We saw the POV of the Meteor then we saw Erza's and co's perspective. If the fodder only perceive the sight of a shooting star that means they have no real idea what the object was. No one even consider to panic or run away bcs they weren't fast enough to identify the object. Only Erza knew it was an advance version of Jellal's magic as she was the only one fast enough to react.

In atmosphere Deus Sema is just as fast as out atmosphere Deus Sema. There was no slow down in re-entry. Her magic would've still kept applying the pressure as she needed to pin point the exact location to drop the Meteor. It makes no sense to let go of a spell and let it come down by itself. The spell is an enhanced meteor and meteors get their power from the velocity it's going at. She had no reason to let gravity hinder the velocity of that attack and we see the attack is moving the same speed. Meteors do not even reach the melting point of rock upon reentry yet Irene's meteor was vaporizing the entire time (even upon reentry). The Earth's atmosphere wouldn't impact the velocity that meteor was hurled at in the first place. There would be huge sonic booms if the Meteor slow down that suddenly.

August got blitzed by Cana's Cards. I can throw out PIS low showings as well. Irene did not care therefore she was not utilizing her full power. Just like Acnologia who got tagged by Tenrou FT characters, or couldn't catch a ship for multiple chapters. A Dragon's speed depends on the level of seriousness they are using which Irene thought the girls of nothing more than nuisances.

Irene stomped the entirety of Sabertooth, which is way more impressive than stomping 3 featless characters who were below Tenrou level opponents a year ago and Jellal.

I guess I'll stick to feats so she could just double her own stats via Enchantments.

 

[LaGOAT]

The way August wins in Augusts fans posts to me just looks like them overestimating August to the max and underestimating Irene to the max

Such as saying "August can use multiple spells at the same time" even tho hes never shown such because "hurr durr hes the king of magic" or that he could even defeat Irene without DSM magic because apparently shes a weak dragon and also because again "hurr durr magic king"

The downplaying/overestimating is real here

Well Irene is the "queen of dragons","Creator of DS", "master enchanter" and we dont take those titles into account to say she could do things wayy out of her league :/

The title doesnt mean shit if u cant back it up with feats e.g the "Fairy tactition" title because c'mon nobody here actually buys that shit

lol just like ur hardcore Irene fans are making up feats Irene like enchant herself like Wendy becuase she is an enchanter and also can use meteor lol nice try

Most of the earlier arguments for August has been him having DS Magic. It's nice to see at least someone admits August having DS Magic would be classified as a made up feat considering he's never shown to use it or has confirmed he has it. As for copying her magic he wouldn't be able to do it if she casts from her staff. That's an advantage to Irene.

we going but what are shown by the manga right I mean either way august takes this by blitzing her and then cubes her.

 

[Belserion]

we going but what are shown by the manga right I mean either way august takes this by blitzing her and then cubes her.

We're supposed to be but there's a lot of deviating from canon lol. I've seen and added more recent made ups than Hiro during this final

 

[LaGOAT]

We're supposed to be but there's a lot of deviating from canon lol. I've seen and added more recent made ups than Hiro during this final

How is that devastating? He was shown to use meteor and crashing magic. He was shown to use multiple magic?

 

[Belserion]

How is that devastating? He was shown to use meteor and crashing magic. He was shown to use multiple magic?

I was talking about August using DS Magic all of a sudden, not the canon techniques like meteor.

 

[LaGOAT]

I was talking about August using DS Magic all of a sudden, not the canon techniques like meteor.

cool becuase he didn't say name of the magic it means he didn't use it? Might as well say he didn't use crashing magic too because he didn't say it

 

[Belserion]

cool becuase he didn't say name of the magic it means he didn't use it? Might as well say he didn't use crashing magic too because he didn't say it

Oh? And which time did he use DS Magic on panel and not say the name? I'm curious. I may have missed it.

 

[Doughboy]

Tell me how Irene will survive getting blitzs by meteor august and then gets cubed after be4 using her dragon form

Shitttt, restrictions make it she can't enchant August into a squirrel. She can enchant herself though to something else. Being cubed doesn't mean no magic.

 

[Gryffindor]

They called it an advanced version of Jellal's Sema. If her enchantments gives her the ability to use the strongest Heavenly Body spell there is shouldn't she be able to use weaker spells as well?

Her enchantment did not give her the ability to use the strongest HBM spell, her enchantment gave her the ability to enchant an actual heavenly body object and control it's trajectory down into the battlefield from space. Enchanting existing heavenly bodies(Enchantment Magic) and creating heavenly bodies(Heavenly Body Magic) are two different things.

The term "heavenly body" is just a fancier way of saying the term "astronomical object". Astronomical objects being things like stars, comets, meteors, etc. It's been established that the word Sema means the involvement of a meteor as seen in Jellal's and Irene's spells. That is the only reason the term "Sema" is in Irene's spell, the fact that the word "Deus" is attached to it should more than prove that it's an enchantment spell, it literally translates to God Meteor.

Jellal's magic is named after actual heavenly bodies(fairly obvious) so it stands to reason that anyone who uses a heavenly body object in their arsenal would have it's naming traced back to the way Jellal's spells are named.
The only people that could use HBM are Jellal and August(via copy). Irene used Master Enchant since she enchanted an actual meteor from space, unlike Jellal who creates one.
Irene doesn't use Heavenly Body Magic and doesn't have access to any other spells used by a HBM user.
Not that it matters anyways, since it's caster type and August would just nullify.
This post ran longer than I intended, but hopefully I made myself clear. She could increase her speed via enchantment so it's whatever.

Edit:
@Reebi
Don't feel like making a new post so I'll respond here. You make a great point but honestly I'm not on the thread to debate August vs. Irene lol(I view them as equals), I'm just trying to get across the point that Irene doesn't use Heavenly Body Magic.

 

[LaGOAT]

Oh? And which time did he use DS Magic on panel and not say the name? I'm curious. I may have missed it.

I think I misinterpreted ur post nvm but u till haven't given a counter argument my post

Shitttt, restrictions make it she can't enchant August into a squirrel. She can enchant herself though to something else. Being cubed doesn't mean no magic.

even if she can no proof she can use on a high tier mage

 

[Arjuna]

I don't think crash will work on Dragon skin.And don't forget Irene's human body is just like a clothe.She got injured in her head by Erza's sword but when she took of her skin cover there is no damage at all in her human shaped Dragon body before turning into a real Dragon.

 

[Doughboy]

The title doesnt mean shit if u cant back it up with feats e.g the "Fairy tactition" title because c'mon nobody here actually buys that shit

I'm with Irene but I don't agree with this. For one Mavis got super nerfed in this arc, I'm glad she did cause she couldn't possibly predict every strategy but it got hella noticeable especially when Zeref got involved. Her being the creator of DS magic, queen of dragons means nothing in this fight. Irene did mention that to Erza but it was more in a bravado type of tone. August being the strongest Spriggan 12 and the top 3 being August, Irene and Larcade is legit, those stuff matter. What I'm arguing is that power isn't the world, how many times have we seen someone like Gray or Lucy overcome adversity in a fight with their mind instead of their fists? I can count 3 people that Gray fought, at the time either being on the same level or weaker, that he used his head over his strength. If Cana and Gildarts can outwit him Irene can too, she just has to be able to take numerous spells or she's done. I chose her cause I think she can rampage before truly beaten from spamming.

 

[FemShep]

Of course Irene wins, because..

She is the only Spriggan who lived up to her hype!