Final August vs Irene

Who wins the Tournament?

  • August

    Votes: 52 57.8%
  • Irene Belserion

    Votes: 38 42.2%

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lol what the hell August literally absorbed God Serena inside him... still people here is saying Irene wins August has 8 fifferent Dragon Slaying Lacrimas inside him for god fucking sake.... yeah ignore all this
Uh feats of the 8 different lacrima? Bcs as far as i remember GS has only shown four and August has no feats of using GS spells. Plus August cant copy a power that comes from objects and GS gets his DS magic from an object (a lacrima). Pretty sure he meant that Neinhart can just summon him again through his Historia.
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Base on what tho??? How is Irene stronger than>Alma flames and mother glare? Plus her performance was worse than august so how is above him when she struggle against erza and Wendy in base form
Mother Glare got beat by AF Natsu and AF Natsu ain't even on Pre-TS DF Natsu level let alone post skip base Natsu. AF nor MG has shown country level spells let alone a spell that comes from planetoids away nor the physical stats Irene has.
 

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Uh feats of the 8 different lacrima? Bcs as far as i remember GS has only shown four and August has no feats of using GS spells. Plus August cant copy a power that comes from objects and GS gets his DS magic from an object (a lacrima). Pretty sure he meant that Neinhart can just summon him again through his Historia.
yeah August literally absorbed his corpse and the Lacrimas was inside Serena.. read the panels again August never mentioned Neinhart,and August mostlikely can use Historia of dead bring back God Serena... Historia Serena---->Erza

Serena Dragon Slaying spells ---->Erza Sword Slash
 

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It's a curse so I don't consider that magic sorry I'm meant to say curse=\=magic same with he demons that zeref created Plus zeref can't control it comes and goes when plot demands and natsu was able to survived it with elfman and evergreen
He was cursed with that magic ("cursed" as in "given")
The magic itself is not a curse
search it up mate
And since according to u august fans, August can copy all Caster magic Therefore August should be able to copy Zerefs death so why are u denying it?
Obviously its because he cant because he wasnt given it by a god,same as DSM,he wasnt given it by a dragon or a lacrima

That GS theory is the biggest speculation u guys have made yet and in my eyes its total BS,it was never said hed taken it in the manga,no panels of him taking it,nothing.
 

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We don't know if she's the strongest member. She only said she was the strongest female.
August has better opponents than Irene and still came out less injured.

Irene is a sage dragon. Of course she would specialize in enchantment. Her physicals however cannot be judged if they are above average or not.
So what? She obviously said she didn't want to disgrace August too so she definitely thinks she's above him. And she called herself the strongest woman in Alvarez which is true as Zeref is the definitively the strongest person in Alvarez.

Her physicals can be judged to be above average as even the 7 Dragons a year ago couldn't break the bones of mages body in one blow let alone post skip Erza who's a S12 tier.

Cana and Gild definetely aren't greater opponents. Cana is useless, and Gild ain't greater than DF Wendy+Enchanted Erza. Not only that but Wendy had Irene's weakness and had counter to Irene's spells. So Irene beat harder opponents who had an advantage on her.
 

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Feats are the best judge and feats shown Irene is above a normal Dragon and she is the strongest S12. A normal Dragon can't use their magic planetoids away and August has def shown to be weaker to Irene.
Uh feats of the 8 different lacrima? Bcs as far as i remember GS has only shown four and August has no feats of using GS spells. Plus August cant copy a power that comes from objects and GS gets his DS magic from an object (a lacrima). Pretty sure he meant that Neinhart can just summon him again through his Historia.
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Mother Glare got beat by AF Natsu and AF Natsu ain't even on Pre-TS DF Natsu level let alone post skip base Natsu. AF nor MG has shown country level spells let alone a spell that comes from planetoids away nor the physical stats Irene has.
so ur saying that dragons ain't immune to magic then right? Becuase that the case then non ds solos them by ur logic 2. Irene country level feat was filling the map that isn't a D.C. Feat that could be use in a battle 3. It's common sense that that any dragon swipe a human will have broken bones that like saying motherglare didn't shown to kill any humans therefore he has no proof that he can't solo some1 like eve. 4. Erza busted that meteor unless u believe that erza>MG AND AF then which lead to the 1st point
 

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yeah August literally absorbed his corpse and the Lacrimas was inside Serena.. read the panels again August never mentioned Neinhart,and August mostlikely can use Historia of dead bring back God Serena... Historia Serena---->Erza

Serena Dragon Slaying spells ---->Erza Sword Slash
August didn't absorb his corpse he just said he is in our hearts (that means Neinhart can summon from the dead) lol. He has shown nothing to say he has Serena's magic.

Nothing to say for that but Serena's lifeless corpse on the floor. Serena has shown no attacks on the scale of that slash lmao.
 
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so ur saying that dragons ain't immune to magic then right? Becuase that the case then non ds solos them by ur logic 2. Irene country level feat was filling the map that isn't a D.C. Feat that could be use in a battle 3. It's common sense that that any dragon swipe a human will have broken bones that like saying motherglare didn't shown to kill any humans therefore he has no proof that he can't solo some1 like eve. 4. Erza busted that meteor unless u believe that erza>MG AND AF then which lead to the 1st point
Where did you get that?

She imbued a country the size of continent with her magic that means she could've just blown up the Ishgar rather than compress it and distort reality. So again it's not just applicable as she can just change the property to DC. Her magic is imbueing anything in the world and changing its property to whatever she wants.

Yet Dragons were swiping humans left and right and didn't break anyone's bones. Natsu even got rammed by AF through multiple building and came put fine.

Erza busted an attack that doesn't mean she can go through Dragon Scales. Overpowering a Dragon attack is different from overpowering Dragon Scales. Irene couldn't Dragon Scales wouldn't even been scratched by Erza if Wendy didn't infuse it with DS magic. Erza with a DS sword however would've curbed those seven Dragon.
 

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All suicide techniques are restricted (Ars Magia).
I have a question. Ars Magia restricted only bc of suicide techniques, or by itself?
Just if it is bc of suicide, I may use AM while it is not suicide technique.

P.Attack - August = Irene
M.Attack - August >>> Irene
Defense - August >>> Irene
Speed - August >> Irene
Intellect - August >>>> Irene
Stamina - August >> Irene
MP - August <<< Irene
Family - August's mom <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Irene's daughter (Restricted here)

August >> Irene in term of stats
August << Irene in battle

I choose Irene.

Diff - 8\10

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August may shrink Irene into mouse ^_^ but bc Irene can't show this spell, he also can't use it.

August may kill her and all audience with AM.

But without it battle will be very hard.

And... August can be damaged by physical objects. Irene can enchant physical objects. August can't nullify magic, he can negate impact from them on himself, so most of Irene's spells still really effective.
 
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If the main justification for Irene's victory is going to be the idea that non ds magic can't harm dragons, then I wish people would actually provide a page in which that was established. The only basis for this idea that I've seen is the inability of Tenrou Fairy tail and GMG Jura, Kagura, and Lyon to harm dragons which is completely irrelevant given the change in power since then.
This is the same as people assuming August is suddenly a Dragon Slayer. That's the only way he beats dragon Irene. August > human Irene most definitely, but dragon Irene is a whole other level. August might be able to copy the elements but how exactly is he copying the lacrima?

All we know is that Brandish hyped them up as pure equals. There is no sufficient evidence for any other assumption. My main point was that if you want to use Brandish's quote then you also have to use Hiro's quote at the beginning of chapter 525 that says August is the strongest of the Spriggan 12.
This is the same Brandish that also admitted to not being close to Irene. In fact iirc Irene mentioned not seeing her in years. August by comparison practically raised Brandish and lived with her in Alvarez so i'd think she would know more about what August is capable of than Irene. Also when she was talking to Lucy and co. about August she specified August being the strongest male, and this was going off of her little knowledge of Irene. You can even assume what she knows of Irene comes from August himself, and we can use the example of him having to tell her about Irene's compression magic after U1, as I doubt when they met before it was in a battle situation.

As @natsulucy mentioned when Irene and August met again, she did specify yielding to him only to let him save face presumably in front of Brandish as the general, but as "arrogant" as she is she has shown to give respect where it's due as per her interactions with Zeref, Acnologia, and even August and she's never really shown to overhype herself.

Saying August can enchant Irene out of her dragon form is the most presumtuous thing i've seen in this match up. How exactly would he do that? As stated before he wasn't there when Zeref did it for Irene the first time. Unless of course Zeref wandered around enchanting random humans out of their dragon forms with August trailing behind him, I don't see when he would have had the chance to copy that specific enchantment. Also, Irene has been shown to use her staff to perform her atmospheric enchantments such as when she changed the climate of Mount Zonia and also when she was fighting Acnologia so it's safe to classify those specific examples as holder type magic which August can't copy.

If Irene's sage mode is to simply amplify as @MonkeyD-Dragon states, then it's safe to assume she uses True Heavenly Body Magic in general, so this would include meteor i'd imagine. Since a few people here have the argument "August blitzes her with meteor" is that really the case I wonder?

I'm not so biased that I wouldn't give this fight to August IF there was proof that he is capable of using DS Magic. As it has not been proven Irene definitely takes it. Her MP in dragon form would surpass August' MP so even if he somehow copied her amplified spells it still would not be on the same level, so Irene beats him in raw power.
 

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167 Comments already.Keep it up everyone:verily

August run away from Cana' cards.

even Bluenote didn't flinch against Cana and he is currently roasted like a Chicken Nugget in an oven

Well August felt pain from Cana's cards so what will a Dragon swipe do i wonder?
 
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He was cursed with that magic ("cursed" as in "given")
The magic itself is not a curse
search it up mate
And since according to u august fans, August can copy all Caster magic Therefore August should be able to copy Zerefs death so why are u denying it?
Obviously its because he cant because he wasnt given it by a god,same as DSM,he wasnt given it by a dragon or a lacrima

That GS theory is the biggest speculation u guys have made yet and in my eyes its total BS,it was never said hed taken it in the manga,no panels of him taking it,nothing.
Except that natsu was able to use DS magic depsite not having seed remember that every ds has a seed so again it till caster magic I don't the the problem till copy even if they were thought by a dragon. Dsm wasnt given like curse like zeref it was thought like every1 else was thought magic. Dsm isn't a "object" except 2nd gen which I don't see why he can't copy.
 

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If Irene's sage mode is to simply amplify as @MonkeyD-Dragon states, then it's safe to assume she uses True Heavenly Body Magic in general, so this would include meteor i'd imagine. Since a few people here have the argument "August blitzes her with meteor" is that really the case I wonder?
She can't use the enchantment of heavenly body magic unless in Dragon Form, Master Enchantment is what allows her to use it
 

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She can't use the enchantment of heavenly body magic unless in Dragon Form, Master Enchantment is what allows her to use it
How do you know that? Deus Sema is the advanced form of a regular sema, so are you saying she skips right past learning the actual magic to just doing a random OP version?
 

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Sorry i will make out some points.

i)Irene has shown the ability to breathe fire in her Dragon form.So it's natural Irene knows Fire Magic in her Dragon form.So Melt won't probably work on her in her Dragon form.


ii)August haven't showed the ability to copy DS Magic just by standing.Otherwise he would not have exclaimed surprise or amazement only after seeing Hyberion or Gildarts casting their magics.He would have said it as soon as he met them.

iii)Natsu has not used any spell like Melt i.e. Heat Pillar type attack.So it's clear it was not copied from him.
i) Eileen is a Sage Dragon, not a Fire Dragon. The breath attack in her flashback was probably something akin to her atmospheric enchantments.
ii) August not commenting on how amazing Gildart's/Hyberion's magic were when he first met them isnt proof he cant copy directly from the mage. August had already witnessed Crash with his own eyes early into the fight and yet he still did not comment til later, it likely just means he hadnt bothered copying it at that point. Like most other magic, August's "copy" probably has to be activated.
iii) Melt doesnt have to be a specific technique from Natsu, just like August flying around as a bunch of cubes isnt a specific technique from Gildarts. Melt is likely just August unleashing his power in the form of DS Fire, the fact that it showed up during Gildart's explanation is pretty clear implication that its Natsu's magic.
 

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I have a question. Ars Magia restricted only bc of suicide techniques, or by itself?
Just if it is bc of suicide, I may use AM while it is not suicide technique.
Ars Magia is restricted.

In any case, it's only been described as a spell that would cost August his life. He said he'd sacrifice himself for the spell, Mavis said it's a spell that causes living things to evaporate and it's forbidden, and August ends up dying from casting the spell even though it was incomplete. It all points to being a suicidal technique, hence Ars Magia is restricted.

 

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i) Eileen is a Sage Dragon, not a Fire Dragon. The breath attack in her flashback was probably something akin to her atmospheric enchantments.
ii) August not commenting on how amazing Gildart's/Hyberion's magic were when he first met them isnt proof he cant copy directly from the mage. August had already witnessed Crash with his own eyes early into the fight and yet he still did not comment til later, it likely just means he hadnt bothered copying it before then. Like most other magic August's "copy" probably has to be activated.
iii) Melt doesnt have to be a specific technique from Natsu, just like August flying around as a bunch of cubes isnt a specific technique from Gildarts. Melt is likely just August unleashing his power in the form of DS Fire, the fact that it showed up during Gildart's explanation is pretty clear implication that its Natsu's magic.
Well Irene's Breath looked exactly like Natsu's but anyway there is no hard evidence.

But when Hyberion used Vampire Magic August complimented it and said,"Vampire Magic.Interesting"... or something along this line.If he can just copy just by standing in front of a mage then he would have said to Hyberion as soon as he met him that,"You seem to possess an interesting variety of magic" not after actually seeing him casting.Infact August was surprised or amazed on seeing Hyberion using this magic.This proves he needs to see it before casting.


And why can't there be a case where August copied Melt from some other Mage.And August is an intelligent man.Him attacking a group consisting of a Fire Dragon Slayer with Fire DS Magic doesn't fit him.
 

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Look at this :
That is her talking about Master Enchantment, she can only do it when in Dragon Form because Master Enchant is needed.
EDIT : Add to that, Deus Sema is made of enchantment, not normal heavenly body magic. Jellal's Sema is different than that as its not enchantment., what Irene did was enchant a meteor, not create it.
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I also looked up Crunchyroll translations, she says this :

Proves that Master Enchant is the way to reach heavens, and that this is different than Jellal's magic
 

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Ars Magia is restricted.

In any case, it's only been described as a spell that would cost August his life. He said he'd sacrifice himself for the spell, Mavis said it's a spell that causes living things to evaporate and it's forbidden, and August ends up dying from casting the spell even though it was incomplete. It all points to being a suicidal technique, hence Ars Magia is restricted.

So, you said that restricted bc of suicide. It is all what I wanted.
And while August died only bc he decided to do this and he able to cast AM without any death from their nakama (and his too) before Gildarts stopped him - AM is not suicide spell.
 

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So, you said that restricted bc of suicide. It is all what I wanted.
And while August died only bc he decided to do this and he able to cast AM without any death from their nakama (and his too) before Gildarts stopped him - AM is not suicide spell.
That's fair if you want to argue that as being Ars Magia, but for this tournament Ars Magia is restricted.
 
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