Battle Best 5 vs Meruem

[Demonspeed]

Re: Best 5 vs Mereum

The King was more than confident that he could 1 hit KO Pouf if he attacked seriously(after Pouf survived his tail slap with minimum damage). I don't think he's someone who would think that if he couldn't do it. Just because he intended to kill Pitou, doesn't mean he was attacking with full strength. He simply attacked with enough power to kill the grunts thinking that Pitou was more or less the same.

Still they are the only ones able to resist his attacks, he was confident he could kill him but the fact that he needed more concentration to make a clean hit is a testament to their strength, plus Pouf offered no resistance. In a fight it would be completely different though he would win at the end of course a serious fight against any of these 3 would leave him considerably injured, their Hatsu are much better in direct combat. He can't possibly have more physical strength than adult Gon Pre-Rose.

Plus, Gon was using nen. The king wasn't.

The guards were not using Nen too when they were hit by Meruem, Pitou attacked Gon in Terpischora mode so we can assume that she was using Nen and she was durable enough to survive to Adult's Gon Rock on the head, Kid Gon's Rock is enough to kill people way stronger than him like Razor and Morel. No way Meruem had an attack that powerful.

 

[KingOfNight]

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Still they are the only ones able to resist his attacks, he was confident he could kill him but the fact that he needed more concentration to make a clean hit is a testament to their strength, plus Pouf offered no resistance. In a fight it would be completely different though he would win at the end of course a serious fight against any of these 3 would leave him considerably injured, their Hatsu are much better in direct combat. He can't possibly have more physical strength than adult Gon Pre-Rose.

Of course they are powerful, they are the highest tier next to him. He's just more powerful than all of them. And no, I highly doubt he would receive an significant injury from them, even if they were to combine. The most powerful(in terms of pure power) among the RG is Youpi. And his attacks have a destructive scale comparable to Netero's Guanyin. And yet, all hundreds of thousands of Netero's attacks(which are hundreds of times faster than any RG) could do nothing to Meruem. Even the ridiculous Zero Hand was incapable of doing anything significant. Their Hatsus are meaningless since he was able to exploit an opening that was too small to be even considered an opening in Netero's Guanyin(which again, is faster than sound). And you think he won't see through their Hatsu? I doubt it. His speed was still ridiculous before his rebirth. Combined with his 1 hit kill strength....Yeah. The most they would be able to do against him is a few scratches and bruises when he's having a bad day. Since I don't see any of them having an attack stronger than the Zero Hand(with the possible exception of Youpi). And they would need an attack several times stronger than it if they wish to do any significant damage to him. Also, I don't see why he can't have more strength than Adult Gon. We don't know for sure, but it's not impossible.

 

[Ener9y]

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Pitou was obviously no much for Netero; he could've killed Pitou but the target was Meruem, wasting minutes with Pitou was simply a great loss. But then, Merium defeated Netero with little effort. Pitou didn't even know what happened till he was a couple of miles away when he was hit by Netero's GB. The gap between the kings strength and that of his RG was great even before the Rose. So yeah, Gon-san was stronger than any of the RGs, and could have been a decent opponent for the king, but still Gon-san would have been defeated IMO.

 

[Kanmuru]

Re: Best 5 vs Mereum

So, you guys think "Uber Gon > Pre Rose Meruem"? I don't think so..
Not even the Hyakushiki Kannon Zero damaged the king. That was a 100+ Years of nen development in 1 atack and just scratched meruem skin
I don't see uber gon doing that amount of DMG with jajanken, not even close IMO.. :S

 

[Demonspeed]

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And no, I highly doubt he would receive an significant injury from them, even if they were to combine. The most powerful(in terms of pure power) among the RG is Youpi. And his attacks have a destructive scale comparable to Netero's Guanyin. And yet, all hundreds of thousands of Netero's attacks(which are hundreds of times faster than any RG) could do nothing to Meruem.

I don't think we can compare Youpi's power to Netero, the destructive scale is not necessarily equal to the quantity of aura used. Any RGs could kill the Invasion Squad with a single punch Netero could never achieve this feat.

Even the ridiculous Zero Hand was incapable of doing anything significant. Their Hatsus are meaningless since he was able to exploit an opening that was too small to be even considered an opening in Netero's Guanyin(which again, is faster than sound). And you think he won't see through their Hatsu? I doubt it. His speed was still ridiculous before his rebirth. Combined with his 1 hit kill strength....Yeah. The most they would be able to do against him is a few scratches and bruises when he's having a bad day. Since I don't see any of them having an attack stronger than the Zero Hand(with the possible exception of Youpi). And they would need an attack several times stronger than it if they wish to do any significant damage to him. Also, I don't see why he can't have more strength than Adult Gon. We don't know for sure, but it's not impossible.

That's because HK is an almost flawless technique that Netero lasted that long despite his Aura volume, in terms of Aura he was vastly outmatched by Meruem and his guards. The physical blows of Meruem and the guards are more powerful that his Palms hits. Netero's hits were compared to a baby's fist, the hits were so insignificant that he didn't need to devise a strategy. Yes Meruem is more durable than his guards but the difference is not abysmal.

They were not even using Ren.

In the end, Netero was just stalling waiting for his end, all his attacks led to nothing. Zero itself is the concentration of all his aura, which is nothing compared to the Meruem and his guards.

Pitou was obviously no much for Netero; he could've killed Pitou but the target was Meruem, wasting minutes with Pitou was simply a great loss. But then, Merium defeated Netero with little effort. Pitou didn't even know what happened till he was a couple of miles away when he was hit by Netero's GB. The gap between the kings strength and that of his RG was great even before the Rose. So yeah, Gon-san was stronger than any of the RGs, and could have been a decent opponent for the king, but still Gon-san would have been defeated IMO.

Huh? Pitou was perfectly fine after that hit, how many times would he need to hit them to kill Pitou/Youpi/Pouf? And unlike Meruem, Pitou has healing, Pouf his scales, flight and can read minds, Youpi has Nen blasts and metamorphosis, he could beat him even more easily. Pitou survived after tanking Adult's Gon Rock.

So, you guys think "Uber Gon > Pre Rose Meruem"? I don't think so..
Not even the Hyakushiki Kannon Zero damaged the king. That was a 100+ Years of nen development in 1 atack and just scratched meruem skin
I don't see uber gon doing that amount of DMG with jajanken, not even close IMO.. :S

Pitou said Adult Gon could beat Meruem so he is directly at his level, Rock is his strongest attack and even Pitou survived it though badly injured after a hit on the head, it would be the same for Meruem while he had just a few bruises after tanking the Zero. Adult's Gon Rock>>>>>>Zero Hand.

Plus Gon's condition in exchange of this power were harsher than Netero so he loses even in this department.

The Royal Family's durability is just insane. Nobody could have won in 1VS1 against them.

 

[KingOfNight]

Re: Best 5 vs Mereum

I don't think we can compare Youpi's power to Netero, the destructive scale is not necessarily equal to the quantity of aura used. Any RGs could kill the Invasion Squad with a single punch Netero could never achieve this feat.

The destructive force of Nen attacks seems to be directly linked to the amount of Aura put into the attack(The Ko is an example of that). A single palm strike from the Guanyin should suffice to kill any CA Extermination Team member.

That's because HK is an almost flawless technique that Netero lasted that long despite his Aura volume, in terms of Aura he was vastly outmatched by Meruem and his guards. The physical blows of Meruem and the guards are more powerful that his Palms hits. Netero's hits were compared to a baby's fist, the hits were so insignificant that he didn't need to devise a strategy. Yes Meruem is more durable than his guards but the difference is not abysmal.

They were compared to baby hits when used on Meruem. Can you possibly give me an attack used by any RG that can compare to the Zero? Nothing comes to mind at all. And no, their physical hits aren't comparable to it whatsoever.

Mind you, this is us just trying to figure a way for them to harm him assuming he just sits there and take their attacks. It's still possible for him to just 1 shot blitz them before they do anything that endangers him(assuming they have anything).

 

[Demonspeed]

Re: Best 5 vs Mereum

The destructive force of Nen attacks seems to be directly linked to the amount of Aura put into the attack(The Ko is an example of that). A single palm strike from the Guanyin should suffice to kill any CA Extermination Team member.

I agree but I am talking about a good hit of the Royal family without Nen. They can effortlessly tear their limbs, Netero however would need several hits to make them feel pain. What you said about the destructive force is right but it's mostly for pure Aura attack used by Emitters and Enhancers. The others don't focus on destructive capacity.

They were compared to baby hits when used on Meruem. Can you possibly give me an attack used by any RG that can compare to the Zero?

Youpi's rage blasts. Meruem himself didn't have an attack that powerful, he didn't even have special moves.

Nothing comes to mind at all. And no, their physical hits aren't comparable to it whatsoever.

Their physical hits are not comparable to Zero but several ones coupled with Nen would affect Meruem more than his attack. Contrarily to humans, they don't need heavy protection while fighting, the difference is just too great. If Meruem had wanted to kill Netero he could have done it faster just by chopping his head instead of his arm, it would be the same for all the guards, they are just physically weaker than Meruem and have less aura than him but they have more versatility with their flexible Hatsus, Pouf's Hatsu especially is Hax, he could read Netero's thoughts, use his scales, fly etc.

Mind you, this is us just trying to figure a way for them to harm him assuming he just sits there and take their attacks. It's still possible for him to just 1 shot blitz them before they do anything that endangers him(assuming they have anything).

Just to be sure I am talking about Pre-Rose Meruem here, Post Rose would absolutely murder them all. I doubt Meruem can blitz his guards, nothing proved he could do this. Look at what Pitou could do with her speed, she sliced Kite's arm without him being capable to react. Maybe she is the fastest of the 3 but she can't be significantly faster than Pouf and Youpi.

 

[mousiehamster]

Re: Best 5 vs Mereum

Pitou enjoyed her fight with Kite so it must have been marginally competitive.

Beating RG/Mereum with brute force seems to be a big no-no.

 

[mioluva]

Re: Best 5 vs Mereum

To manipulate someone requires being able to do damage to them. The needles will just bounce off of Meruem's skin. Aside from the example I gave, every example of manipulation in HXH so far requires the user to be able to do damage to the opponent, which they won't be able to against Mereum.

I think one of Kurapica's colleagues doesn't need to damage the victim. She only needs to land a kiss.

 

[KingOfNight]

Re: Best 5 vs Mereum

I agree but I am talking about a good hit of the Royal family without Nen. They can effortlessly tear their limbs, Netero however would need several hits to make them feel pain. What you said about the destructive force is right but it's mostly for pure Aura attack used by Emitters and Enhancers. The others don't focus on destructive capacity.

Well, yeah. He can't possibly compare to the Royal Family in terms of physical ability. He doesn't particularly need to though. As for the bold part, those are the ones that do the most damage in a plain combat.

Youpi's rage blasts. Meruem himself didn't have an attack that powerful, he didn't even have special moves.

Possibe, though nothing comes to mind. If he's in the absolute worse mood of his life, then maybe he could unleash an attack of that power. But I still can't see it being so much more powerful than the Zero where it would actually do a monumental damage. Meruem doesn't really need anything special though. He's just that good.

Their physical hits are not comparable to Zero but several ones coupled with Nen would affect Meruem more than his attack. Contrarily to humans, they don't need heavy protection while fighting, the difference is just too great. If Meruem had wanted to kill Netero he could have done it faster just by chopping his head instead of his arm, it would be the same for all the guards, they are just physically weaker than Meruem and have less aura than him but they have more versatility with their flexible Hatsus, Pouf's Hatsu especially is Hax, he could read Netero's thoughts, use his scales, fly etc.

Assuming he stands there doing nothing, which is not likely given how fast he retaliated after each hit from Netero. Plus, I can't see their physical hits being anymore damaging than Netero's palm strikes(and he did thousands of those), and if they do, it can't be that much more. Yes, he could have killed Netero whenever he wanted, he just didn't want to because he needs to know his name. No such a thing would be stopping him when facing the RG. Pouf can't read minds, but can determine ones emotions, which isn't gonna be that useful in combat. Regardless of how flexible their Hatsus are, it's nothing awfully complicated or haxxed. Pouf's Hatsu is useless in combat, Youpi's is just brute power, and Pitou's Enhances her physical abilities. Collectively, they still can't do anything to significantly harm the King before he butchers them since he is stronger, faster, and smarter than all three.

Just to be sure I am talking about Pre-Rose Meruem here, Post Rose would absolutely murder them all. I doubt Meruem can blitz his guards, nothing proved he could do this. Look at what Pitou could do with her speed, she sliced Kite's arm without him being capable to react. Maybe she is the fastest of the 3 but she can't be significantly faster than Pouf and Youpi.

Yes, we're talking about Pre-Rose. Pitou is fast, but Netero seemed awfully relaxed around her and had no trouble seeing through her movement(and give her a little smack talk while he's at it). On the other hand, even with his senses heightened to the max, the King blitzed past him and Zeno with no trouble. And was so fast that Netero repeatedly stated that his(the King's) speed won't allow him any chance to so much as make a wrong move(despite his moves being faster than sound) without losing the fight. If you watch the fight again, you could see that Meruem is way faster than any RG would ever hope to be.

Also, for what it's worth, when Pitou sensed the King's ominous Aura, she actually regretted jumping to his place. Speaks volumes of how far superior he is to the RG.

 

[Master OZ]

Re: Best 5 vs Mereum

I need just three
Mizaistom to restrict King´s movement
Netero to fend off King´s attacks on Mizaistom before his ability is activated
Kurapika placing condition on King; if you move you die.
The end

 

[XXGenesis]

Re: Best 5 vs Mereum

The King and RG possessed Absolute power. If you can't/ don't have a power that's bigger than there's the only real way is to have an Absolute ability, or skill...Netero possessed God/Boss Like Speed however he lacks the strength to use that speed to kill or harm any of them....

The RG's vs Pre-Rose King....Strictly talking about Aura Netero who has less than them used all of his and was barely able to scratch the king. Youpi is the only one shown to unleash an attack with an amount of aura comparable to Zero Hand. So honestly I don't see them being able to hurt the king much either themselves, for He without Nen is a superior creature then adding Nen just widens the gap.....The Gap isn't far but there is a gap and their Hatsu is pretty much useless agasin't the King...

Netero would one shot anybody from the Exterminating Team. They'll are unable to react to his attack, this lowers defense and that does you no good when somebody has more aura and can attack with more aura than you...Either way he's WTF slapping a lot of Ppl in HXH.

 

[Phantron]

Re: Best 5 vs Mereum

You're not going to be able to win by doing damage against Meryem or even the Royal Guards. This is a species where even the common soldiers can continue fighting with their head separated from their body. Even if you can improbably hit them through their insane defenses, someone of the Royal Guard calibur can simply take that hit and hit you back at the same time and they'll easily outlast you.

There was a lot of bogus violation of momentum in the Netero versus Meryem fight. That is, there should be absolutely no move Netero could've used that can move Meryem while he's on land (Pitou got knocked away because he's in air with no support, so that actually made sense), because if he can knock Meryem back that implies he's stronger than Meryem! So for Meryem (and all RG really) all they have to do is just calmly walk up to their opponent in a guarded position until they get close enough and then they can kill their opponent easily. No human can be faster than their movement speed on a consistent basis (note that Netero is only super fast in his attack speed, not movement speed) and who cares if you're taking some extra damage for a species that can lose a limb without feeling it?

Now I'm guessing part of the reason why Netero was able to create space was because Meryem agreed to fight him under a handicap. That is, Meryem needed to find an opening in his move, even though with his durability he doesn't need to. All he has to do is walk through the attack and punch Netero once and then it's over. Netero can't outrun him, and Netero isn't strong enough to move him either, but he knows Netero wouldn't give up if he just beat him like that so he actually allowed Netero to create space on his successful hits. If you assume your top 5 at least gets this kind of handicap you can formulate some strategy. Otherwise all he's going to do is walk up to one guy at a time and kill him and repeat as needed. I think people buy too much into this strategy nonsense. When you've the physical level of a RG or higher, all you have to do is take every hit and hit someone back the moment they landed their hit. You wouldn't need a strategy because this will always work, and no you can't just have a magical ability that bypasses this because if it worked like that, that'd mean there are guys who can kill someone arbitarily powerful in one hit if the attack connects, which violates the fundamental basis of HXH. And even if you had attacks like that, the RG+ level opponents have the best special abilities in HXH too so they could just come up with something even better.

And of course Meryem could kill his royal guards, but he actually considers them as not-food so he does have some respect for them. Being able to kill Pitou at least puts Gon at a level able to threaten Meryem, but that doesn't mean he can win. The Royal Guards are extremely protective of Meryem and would take no chances whatsoever.

 

[XXGenesis]

Re: Best 5 vs Mereum

You're not going to be able to win by doing damage against Meryem or even the Royal Guards. This is a species where even the common soldiers can continue fighting with their head separated from their body. Even if you can improbably hit them through their insane defenses, someone of the Royal Guard calibur can simply take that hit and hit you back at the same time and they'll easily outlast you.

There was a lot of bogus violation of momentum in the Netero versus Meryem fight. That is, there should be absolutely no move Netero could've used that can move Meryem while he's on land (Pitou got knocked away because he's in air with no support, so that actually made sense), because if he can knock Meryem back that implies he's stronger than Meryem! So for Meryem (and all RG really) all they have to do is just calmly walk up to their opponent in a guarded position until they get close enough and then they can kill their opponent easily. No human can be faster than their movement speed on a consistent basis (note that Netero is only super fast in his attack speed, not movement speed) and who cares if you're taking some extra damage for a species that can lose a limb without feeling it?

Now I'm guessing part of the reason why Netero was able to create space was because Meryem agreed to fight him under a handicap. That is, Meryem needed to find an opening in his move, even though with his durability he doesn't need to. All he has to do is walk through the attack and punch Netero once and then it's over. Netero can't outrun him, and Netero isn't strong enough to move him either, but he knows Netero wouldn't give up if he just beat him like that so he actually allowed Netero to create space on his successful hits. If you assume your top 5 at least gets this kind of handicap you can formulate some strategy. Otherwise all he's going to do is walk up to one guy at a time and kill him and repeat as needed. I think people buy too much into this strategy nonsense. When you've the physical level of a RG or higher, all you have to do is take every hit and hit someone back the moment they landed their hit. You wouldn't need a strategy because this will always work, and no you can't just have a magical ability that bypasses this because if it worked like that, that'd mean there are guys who can kill someone arbitarily powerful in one hit if the attack connects, which violates the fundamental basis of HXH. And even if you had attacks like that, the RG+ level opponents have the best special abilities in HXH too so they could just come up with something even better.

And of course Meryem could kill his royal guards, but he actually considers them as not-food so he does have some respect for them. Being able to kill Pitou at least puts Gon at a level able to threaten Meryem, but that doesn't mean he can win. The Royal Guards are extremely protective of Meryem and would take no chances whatsoever.

I get what your saying But the Chimera ants aren't invincible.

Yupi Lost an Eye to Shoot 's Hatsu. If he instinctively didn't keep defelecting Shoot's hand he would of lost....Killua even possess a Hatsu to shock and paralyzed Youpi, leaving him to be hit by Knuckle numerous times.

TeamWork by Experienced NeN users can take out an RG. A well developed tricky Hatsu is always the answer. Via Smokey Jail, Kanmaru, Potclean.

TeamWork Vs The King. I see Netero as the only person that can react to his speed through via attacking. That's being said capable fighters would need to support him. I wanted to see the silly teams but the thread is really Netero+ 4Nen users helping him. Netero held the King in place before, if this feat is repeated if chosen wisely Meruem can be defeated.

 

[omegablue]

Re: Best 5 vs Mereum

1. Ging
2. Zeno
3. Silva
4. Netero
5. Feitan

 

[mousiehamster]

Re: Best 5 vs Mereum

There was a lot of bogus violation of momentum in the Netero versus Meryem fight. That is, there should be absolutely no move Netero could've used that can move Meryem while he's on land (Pitou got knocked away because he's in air with no support, so that actually made sense), because if he can knock Meryem back that implies he's stronger than Meryem!

Perhaps Netero's statue IS stronger and the King is more durable than strong.

 

[Alberto]

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I also don´t think there is a team who can 100% kill Meruem. The team would need godly defense and godly offense. Even then, Meruem is that fast. So the team would need diversions. I came up with this, as my team with the highest possibility to kill the King.

Hisoka and Machi. Those are here to pin Meruem down. Machi definitely can´t kill Meruem with her skills alone, but i think her and Hisoka can actually slow him down with enough threads / bungee gums attached. Then, the biggest Meruem problem is solved - his agility.
Knov and Morel. Those are to deal with Meruem´s offensive power, by creating diversions. Dimension stuff to keep people alive, and smoke illusions of the 5th member.
Razor. His pure offensive power is, in my opinion, the most suited to compare with Netero. Each nen ball packs a big punch (maybe as strong, or even stronger then a single Netero punch). So his role would be to send those balls to Netero and keep sending them. He can create diversions with his puppets, but Morel is there for that, and i want him to focus solely on offensive.

I chose to not put Netero on this team, as i think he takes too much space for himself. I don´t think anyone would be able to acompanny him. Also, I like the team I created =D

 

[Demonspeed]

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There was a lot of bogus violation of momentum in the Netero versus Meryem fight. That is, there should be absolutely no move Netero could've used that can move Meryem while he's on land (Pitou got knocked away because he's in air with no support, so that actually made sense), because if he can knock Meryem back that implies he's stronger than Meryem! So for Meryem (and all RG really) all they have to do is just calmly walk up to their opponent in a guarded position until they get close enough and then they can kill their opponent easily. No human can be faster than their movement speed on a consistent basis (note that Netero is only super fast in his attack speed, not movement speed) and who cares if you're taking some extra damage for a species that can lose a limb without feeling it?

The Kannon's arms are not on the ground though and Meruem used his 2 arms to repel 2 of Kannon's, the speed of the attack has its importance too. I disagree when you say no human can be faster than them, you have no proof to certify that. If it's possible to have faster attack speed then being faster and physically stronger is possible.

 

[The Invertroid]

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There was a lot of bogus violation of momentum in the Netero versus Meryem fight. That is, there should be absolutely no move Netero could've used that can move Meryem while he's on land (Pitou got knocked away because he's in air with no support, so that actually made sense), because if he can knock Meryem back that implies he's stronger than Meryem!

Netero's attacks were strong enough to temporarily overpower the King, but not enough to harm him. Comparatively, when someone kicks a football off the ground, they aren't going to case major damage to it, even though they are hitting it with an overwhelming force.

 

[AntArt]

Re: Best 5 vs Mereum

1. Leorio
2. Meleoron
3. Oxygen tank

They would just punch him over and over for days.. maybe years.. from a safe distance

edit: the tank is connected to his lungs.. so he doesn't have to breathe.. or some device that works that way.