Hangout Black Clover Hangout Thread

[shaheer]

Well it makes sense. Light reflects on mirror after all. Also, gauche got magic from all the others and was able to pull up a big enough mirror. It doesn't mean light magic is weak or licht is either but some magic just have some counters that affect it a great deal.

He got mana of some pesky kids. This guy defeated the most powerful tier guys ie a leader of a magic knight. If a magic knight of above average power with some mana boost from a dying retired magic knight lady who was having hard time with the bat crazy girl of the villian co. and some kids who didnt even cultivate their powers much can defeat him then this guy doesnt deserve to be a boogey man villian as he made himself out to be. Especially when we know that Gauche was zapped out when he took those mana ie it wasnt like he was at his prime and the second powerful in the Black Sheep along with the added advantage of mana from others.
If anything it would have made more sense if the miror got destroyed as well due to sheer power of the light canon, dispersing the light beam in the process instead of a full blown reflect back. It would have also be ok if Gauche put some miniature mirrors in thespace where the litch was gathering light mana which would have disturbed the light gathering process and ended up exploding in a raw state. I just cant fathom second hokages ultra powerful jutsu being defeated by an infant gara even though water jutsu is weak agains earth and gara has earth and wind element as his kekei genkai.. Is what i am saying
I m not saying the execution is not logical but the execution felt poor. Even yami said if asta reflected the magic it might be possible but in the process asta will die.

 

[Holt]

He got mana of some pesky kids. This guy defeated the most powerful tier guys ie a leader of a magic knight. If a magic knight of above average power with some mana boost from a dying retired magic knight lady who was having hard time with the bat crazy girl of the villian co. and some kids who didnt even cultivate their powers much can defeat him then this guy doesnt deserve to be a boogey man villian as he made himself out to be. Especially when we know that Gauche was zapped out when he took those mana ie it wasnt like he was at his prime and the second powerful in the Black Sheep along with the added advantage of mana from others.
If anything it would have made more sense if the miror got destroyed as well due to sheer power of the light canon, dispersing the light beam in the process instead of a full blown reflect back. It would have also be ok if Gauche put some miniature mirrors in thespace where the litch was gathering light mana which would have disturbed the light gathering process and ended up exploding in a raw state. I just cant fathom second hokages ultra powerful jutsu being defeated by an infant gara even though water jutsu is weak agains earth and gara has earth and wind element as his kekei genkai.. Is what i am saying
I m not saying the execution is not logical but the execution felt poor. Even yami said if asta reflected the magic it might be possible but in the process asta will die.

It's still a lot of mana and coupled his mirror magic being a natural weakness, it made up for the large difference in mana between Licht and Gauche.
The example you have isn't really the same. If anything, water would be the weakness of earth. Also, that comparison is too extreme. Gauche certainly isn't an infant gaara and he also took a fair amount of MP from everyone. It was even so much that he was glowing and we know elder sis can draw mana from outside.
Also, Yami said that yes Asta could cancel out the magic, but the problem is that the sword wouldn't be able to block everything because it's surface area largely pales in comparison to that of the attack. If Asta's sword was big enough then it wouldn't be a problem. Gauche used a mirror big enough to fully deflect the light.

 

[shaheer]

It's still a lot of mana and coupled his mirror magic being a natural weakness, it made up for the large difference in mana between Licht and Gauche.
The example you have isn't really the same. If anything, water would be the weakness of earth. Also, that comparison is too extreme. Gauche certainly isn't an infant gaara and he also took a fair amount of MP from everyone. It was even so much that he was glowing and we know elder sis can draw mana from outside.
Also, Yami said that yes Asta could cancel out the magic, but the problem is that the sword wouldn't be able to block everything because it's surface area largely pales in comparison to that of the attack. If Asta's sword was big enough then it wouldn't be a problem. Gauche used a mirror big enough to fully deflect the light.

Not really Earth was strong against water like water is strong against fire. That was the element cycle of naruto. I would say the comparison makes sense to me though. Gauche is by no means the strongest of the gang and ok not infant gara but a chunin level earth specialist vs a senin level water specialist? Would it really make sense to me one trumping the other by just sheer elemental superiority? I dont think it would not unless in the process the chunin guy gets epic level injury or at best the senin guys jutsu got simply dispersed or sth.
Any way i guess i ll just stop here with this sentiment. I dont think i will be able to accept this explanation of light vs mirror esp when darkness magic specialist said that this magic was too powerful for him to tackle and Darkness is a weakness of light too. I ll take it as some kind of deus ex machina at best.

 

[Holt]

Not really Earth was strong against water like water is strong against fire. That was the element cycle of naruto. I would say the comparison makes sense to me though. Gauche is by no means the strongest of the gang and ok not infant gara but a chunin level earth specialist vs a senin level water specialist? Would it really make sense to me one trumping the other by just sheer elemental superiority? I dont think it would not unless in the process the chunin guy gets epic level injury or at best the senin guys jutsu got simply dispersed or sth.
Any way i guess i ll just stop here with this sentiment. I dont think i will be able to accept this explanation of light vs mirror esp when darkness magic specialist said that this magic was too powerful for him to tackle and Darkness is a weakness of light too. I ll take it as some kind of deus ex machina at best.

Well, you can make the comparison with another series as they have different fundamentals. For instance, in OP, even very weak DF users can offer some level of resistance to those a lot more powerful than them if their DF is a natural weakness. I don't know if your read One Piece but recall how Mr 3. was able to block Magellan's attack even though the latter was clearly a lot stronger. However, in Naruto, the basics is that it mostly comes down to chakra. Even weaker elements can overwhelm the strongest counterparts if the former has sufficient chakra to fuel that attacks. We'll simply have to take it that in Black Clover, disadvantages can play a big enough role.

 

[Tabaro Foka]

Eiryuu yes there are members and 3 of them are stronger then Light magician(said from him in the chapter)
1.Guy is copy cat (Can copy more then two magics and use them at the same time)
(Faithlesness)
2.Girl have fire spirtit similar to Yuno wind (fire-avatar) (Hate)
3.Is Beast
(Despair)


each one of them is based opposite 3 leaf Clover-Love,Hope and Faith

 

[KageTrigger]

Eiryuu yes there are members and 3 of them are stronger then Light magician(said from him in the chapter)
1.Guy is copy cat (Can copy more then two magics and use them at the same time)
(Faithlesness)
2.Girl have fire spirtit similar to Yuno wind (fire-avatar) (Hate)
3.Is Beast
(Despair)


each one of them is based opposite 3 leaf Clover-Love,Hope and Faith

That girl with the fire spirit, has a magic stone in her head like Mars from the Dungeon arc. In fact she kinda looks like Mars's friend who tried to kill him, I think her name was Fana, and Fana also used fire magic.

Thought I doubt it's her since she seemed dead for sure based on Mars's flashback. Even if it's not her I believe she's from the Diamond Kingdom like Mars. Maybe all three are from different kingdoms? Diamond, Spade, and Heart. Licht is from the Clover Kingdom and has a four leaf grimoire, if the others are the opposite of the three leaf, then maybe Licht is (Misfortune) opposite of the fourth leaf's Good Fortune.

Eh it's all just crazy theories I'm coming up with haha.

 

[Eiryuu]

Okay, now that I've seen the raws things make more sense. If Tabata follows what he's been doing then for the Element spirits the Earth should be 'Gnome' and Water, 'Undine' - just basing this off the fact he has used Slyph and Salamander for wind and fire.

 

[Tabaro Foka]

I forget to add that fire girl used healing magic too.So she can use at last 2 magics like Licht and copy guy.

For Beast guy I have theory that he can eat magic and use the energy to strenghten his beast magic to unreal psychycal level.

 

[KageTrigger]

Mars's friend Fana could use healing/fire magic too. I don't know, the similarities are pretty high, including the magic stone in her head it might actually be her.

 

[Kartaen]

I forget to add that fire girl used healing magic too.So she can use at last 2 magics like Licht and copy guy.

I think that it isn't 2 types of magics. They just developed healing abilities in their magic.

 

[Eiryuu]

http://jump-netabare.seesaa.net/article/433980850.html

Spoiler: Ch. 51

Based off this, apparently it is Fana, Orochimaru look alike is captain of the green order - not sure on the name. Typical google translation makes no sense - but it is somewhat understandable, I guess.

http://www.fandompost.com/2016/02/2...over-manga-cover/black-clover-volume-1-cover/
Also, for those who are interested - Volume 1 English Cover has been revealed. Release date is June 7th, I think.

 

[KageTrigger]

Volume 5 cover of Black Clover.

Spoiler

I'm surprised Klaus has blue hair.

 

[shaheer]

I am surprised Noelle or juno are absent from the pic

 

[Eiryuu]

https://jaiminisbox.com/reader/read/black_clover/en/0/51/page/1 - Ch. 51 is here. :3

As I said earlier it's Fana, how is she alive...?

Licht knows Gauche?! How?? I want to know, they couldn't be brothers... I mean, he would remember him - right?? Childhood friends? Not father and child, Licht looks rather young to be honest. Now the whole scene where the healer was commenting on the attack missing his vitals makes more sense.

Good chapter, not sure why the spoilers mentioned the captain being the leader of the green order - nothing was mentioned at all.

 

[KageTrigger]

Fana is alive, that's a cool twist. Well her magic was too similar for me to not notice. I guess we'll definitely see Mars working with Asta in the future to stop or save Fana. I hope it's handled properly.

If Licht is related to Gauche then WOW! But I think it's more about how Licht feels that the powerful are persecuted and envied. He probably knows Gauche's backstory about his parents sudden "accidental" death and how they were suddenly kicked out of their Noble family home. Maybe Licht wants Gauche to join the White Night Eye one day, so that's why he didn't kill him.

 

[Eiryuu]

Fana is alive, that's a cool twist. Well her magic was too similar for me to not notice. I guess we'll definitely see Mars working with Asta in the future to stop or save Fana. I hope it's handled properly.

If Licht is related to Gauche then WOW! But I think it's more about how Licht feels that the powerful are persecuted and envied. He probably knows Gauche's backstory about his parents sudden "accidental" death and how they were suddenly kicked out of their Noble family home. Maybe Licht wants Gauche to join the White Night Eye one day, so that's why he didn't kill him.

I didn't think about that - maybe it is because of his past situation. Makes more sense to be honest. But then again, how would he know the details of Gauche's past... I'm impatient when it comes to these things. Also, I wonder if Noselle or any of the other two will recognize Licht, considering Leon knew him and Yami said he looked familiar.

 

[shaheer]

Fana is the sister to that guy who used crystal right? How in the world did she become stronger than him and to this degree?

 

[Eiryuu]

Fana is the sister to that guy who used crystal right? How in the world did she become stronger than him and to this degree?

No, I'm pretty sure they were just friends who were close until they were ordered to kill each other. She is known as Fana; the hateful - so maybe she survived and has grown to hate everything in life, she seems to care for Licht... so I'm not sure.

Also, do keep in mind that Mars did overwhelm Asta, Yuno, Klaus, Luck, Mimosa and Noelle all by himself and was only defeated after Yuno unconsciously used Slyph - though, Licht also mentioned that they were each stronger then a captain...we can't really understand until we find out what happened to her, so all we can do is wait.

 

[Holt]

Fana? I thought she was supposed to be dead. Plus she has an elemental spirit, and fire at that! Still pretty epic entrance by the captain. I'm surprised we're getting to see the big shots fighting so early. We already saw Sorcery Emperor show a thing or two, we've seen Yami fight seriously and now we're about to see the magic captains as well even though we're just a few chapters into the manga. Still very interested though. Asta is sure to be watching closely but I don't think he can pick up kick. Yami already taught him ki but the others are likely to use magic that he can't emulate or learn.

 

[amit-monsterman999]

I wonder if asta is going to get involved into this fight but its all a good learning experience for him
I wonder if Asta can cancel the copy cat's abilities and then use it himself