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so the Light Novel is before the events of asta going to the city to join a guild like i believe chapter 2 or 3 right. I didn't read the light and don't have a link for the english translation so im curious how asta met up with him and why fanzel taught asta sword fighting ?
and how did noelle and faust know about fanzel's location ?
Unfortunately there is not translation available - all there is, is the Illustrations and the small explanation I mentioned above. Unless there is one somewhere that I don't know of.

I don't know why Fanzel trained Asta, hopefully all the gaps in the information we have are filled in future chapters. This was a bad move on Tabata's part as not everyone has read or even knows about the LN.
 

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Unfortunately there is not translation available - all there is, is the Illustrations and the small explanation I mentioned above. Unless there is one somewhere that I don't know of.

I don't know why Fanzel trained Asta, hopefully all the gaps in the information we have are filled in future chapters. This was a bad move on Tabata's part as not everyone has read or even knows about the LN.
maybe he did it on purpose to create suspense to also increase sales on his LN now people will read them or convert that section of his LN to a side manga as well. Also I wonder if fanzel gave him his grimiore because in the previous chapter where asta was crying the face in the air was Fanzel's not yuno's so that means there's history between asta and fanzel
 

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maybe he did it on purpose to create suspense to also increase sales on his LN now people will read them or convert that section of his LN to a side manga as well. Also I wonder if fanzel gave him his grimiore because in the previous chapter where asta was crying the face in the air was Fanzel's not yuno's so that means there's history between asta and fanzel
It could be that - but that's basically forcing people to buy it. He must've also known that there are foreign readers; the manga has been published in at least 3 different languages. It's on the weekly line up for Viz's shounen jump and not many people even know Black Clover has a Light Novel. So; bad move. I doubt Viz has plans to translate it anytime soon either so us foreign fans are left clueless.

I just hope he explains the events in a okay way to help us understand these characters or else a lot of people are going to be confused and annoyed.
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http://www.mangamint.com/black-clover-82 - Oh yeah, chapters out.
 

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Looks like several members of the Black Bull are just underrated but actually unique individuals capable of unknown magic.
 

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Black Clover ranks 5th this week (ch.76), and we have 2 Cover Colours in a row for issues #48 and #49.

Also; this is week old news but - Vol.8 sold 98,616 copies in 6 days.
Edit: 13 days; 129,115 copies.
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Asta and co. arrive at the Witches Forest.
Domina gives them cloaks that can hide their presence/mana after joking around about making them pay for it.
They infiltrate the Forest and see the 'Security Golems' (Noelle comments on them not be cute)
They are spotted, Fanzel appears to be half naked under his cloak.
They manage to escape to the Witches Mansion and find Vanessa.
Domina is visibly fearful of the Queen.
The QW comments 'children who do not listen to their parents need to be disciplined'.
After some scuffle, the QW finds out about Asta's non-existent mana and calls him 'an incomplete filthy brat'.
She realizes that he is the one Vanessa wanted to help
The QW notices an army approaching from opposite directions - one being led by Mars, the other by Fana.
Just a very brief summary, not a lot of detail - but it looks like things are getting exciting!!

Oh and apparently Asta, CV: Horie Shun, Yuno, CV: Saito Soma.
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http://www.yuncomics.com/archives/1797261 - Korean Scan.

Summary should be right then.
 
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do you think the QW will now help asta or will it be after seeing his five star grimiore clearly somebody aside from the pure bad guys must know the significance and power of his grimiore
 

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https://jaiminisbox.com/reader/read/black_clover/en/0/83/page/1

Aaand once again Black Clover shows us it can't take a break. I'm not complaining too much. I am relatively happy we got about 4 chill chapters before we head back into action. There is a Third Eye member here and at least two Diamond Generals - and the strongest person on the 'good' side is the QW (and Yami has no way of helping them any time soon - miss him already - so he's out of this arc by the looks of it). Her dialogue worries me though, she knew they were coming... how?

Though - what we have been waiting for since her coming back has finally come around. Mars and Fana's reunion! I hope for some juicy content next week. I also wonder if we'll learn how WNE took Vetto's death... especially Licht. (I just love me some angst okay?)

So overall, alright chapter - some good comedy at the start (lol Fanzel) and I am soooo glad Asta didn't spout anything about being Sorcerer Emperor.

do you think the QW will now help asta or will it be after seeing his five star grimiore clearly somebody aside from the pure bad guys must know the significance and power of his grimiore
She most likely will, but I hope she doesn't do it in the next couple of chapters. I have a feeling she may know something about his grimoire, but I guess we'll have to wait and find out.
 

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https://jaiminisbox.com/reader/read/black_clover/en/0/83/page/1

Aaand once again Black Clover shows us it can't take a break. I'm not complaining too much. I am relatively happy we got about 4 chill chapters before we head back into action. There is a Third Eye member here and at least two Diamond Generals - and the strongest person on the 'good' side is the QW (and Yami has no way of helping them any time soon - miss him already - so he's out of this arc by the looks of it). Her dialogue worries me though, she knew they were coming... how?

Though - what we have been waiting for since her coming back has finally come around. Mars and Fana's reunion! I hope for some juicy content next week. I also wonder if we'll learn how WNE took Vetto's death... especially Licht. (I just love me some angst okay?)

So overall, alright chapter - some good comedy at the start (lol Fanzel) and I am soooo glad Asta didn't spout anything about being Sorcerer Emperor.


She most likely will, but I hope she doesn't do it in the next couple of chapters. I have a feeling she may know something about his grimoire, but I guess we'll have to wait and find out.
I think it's implied the witch Queen is planning on joining forces. From the looks of it,the diamond kingdom and the white eye guys may have an alliance if the witches end up joining them,that wôuld be too crazy. How on earth would the clover kingdom be able to keep up with that?
 

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I think it's implied the witch Queen is planning on joining forces. From the looks of it,the diamond kingdom and the white eye guys may have an alliance if the witches end up joining them,that wôuld be too crazy. How on earth would the clover kingdom be able to keep up with that?

I think the witches have it the worst because there stuck between the diamond and clover kingdom im sure the diamond kingdom as they seem more violent want to destroy the witches so likely this group of black bulls will push them entirely back and asta will push them back with ease with a new set of weapons
 

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So Diamond Kingdom and WDNE will have alliance to gain more magic power and numbers they will try to invite Witch Queen kingdom to join them to destroy Clover Kingdom but she will decline and this will begun little war.Now we have 5 new genaration magic knight warriors and one WDNE top fighters.Fana have element creature who is grown up and this mean that she is stronger now before we meet her with Licht and captains fight.
In terms of power Queen and 3 or 4 strong withes cant win against battle monsters like diamond warriors.Yuno,Asta,four eyes barely take down Mars and he is not the strongest diamond warrior I can bet.
Even if Asta is healed and some captans came I dont know how they wont loose this war...
Right now Fana can be stoped only from 3 people in clover kingdom.This are Yuno,Magic Emperror and William Venegeance.So yeah Black Sheeps and witches are fucked up right now....hmm may be finally some demon will show up from 5 leaf clover and turn the table...
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It could be that - but that's basically forcing people to buy it. He must've also known that there are foreign readers; the manga has been published in at least 3 different languages. It's on the weekly line up for Viz's shounen jump and not many people even know Black Clover has a Light Novel. So; bad move. I doubt Viz has plans to translate it anytime soon either so us foreign fans are left clueless.

I just hope he explains the events in a okay way to help us understand these characters or else a lot of people are going to be confused and annoyed.
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http://www.mangamint.com/black-clover-82 - Oh yeah, chapters out.

Well my imression from Fanzel is that he was a stripper and Domina was in BDSM club.
 

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https://jaiminisbox.com/reader/read/black_clover/en/0/83/1/page/1 - Jump GIGA extra. (This would be a good mini series)
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So Diamond Kingdom and WDNE will have alliance to gain more magic power and numbers they will try to invite Witch Queen kingdom to join them to destroy Clover Kingdom but she will decline and this will begun little war.Now we have 5 new genaration magic knight warriors and one WDNE top fighters.Fana have element creature who is grown up and this mean that she is stronger now before we meet her with Licht and captains fight.
In terms of power Queen and 3 or 4 strong withes cant win against battle monsters like diamond warriors.Yuno,Asta,four eyes barely take down Mars and he is not the strongest diamond warrior I can bet.
Even if Asta is healed and some captans came I dont know how they wont loose this war...
Right now Fana can be stoped only from 3 people in clover kingdom.This are Yuno,Magic Emperror and William Venegeance.So yeah Black Sheeps and witches are fucked up right now....hmm may be finally some demon will show up from 5 leaf clover and turn the table...
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Well my imression from Fanzel is that he was a stripper and Domina was in BDSM club.
To be honest- I would've really liked to see her go against Fuego (as he appears to be the strongest Fire Mage we've been introduced to so far) but we won't get that. But seeing Spirit vs Spirit would be awesome (Yuno vs Fana), that would be one intense battle. We could probably learn about the spirits more if that happened. I just love how the match ups from before (Jack vs Vetto, Nozel vs Fana and Charlotte vs Liar) wasn't some kind of foreshadowing for future battles. Let's just hope Fana isn't taken out here... Glad Liar is the last one to be dealt with if that's the case, he'd be a tricky one to deal with.

I do wonder how Fire would do against Yggdrassil magic; would it burn the tree or is there something special about it?? :hmm
 
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So Diamond Kingdom and WDNE will have alliance to gain more magic power and numbers they will try to invite Witch Queen kingdom to join them to destroy Clover Kingdom but she will decline and this will begun little war.Now we have 5 new genaration magic knight warriors and one WDNE top fighters.Fana have element creature who is grown up and this mean that she is stronger now before we meet her with Licht and captains fight.
In terms of power Queen and 3 or 4 strong withes cant win against battle monsters like diamond warriors.Yuno,Asta,four eyes barely take down Mars and he is not the strongest diamond warrior I can bet.
Even if Asta is healed and some captans came I dont know how they wont loose this war...
Right now Fana can be stoped only from 3 people in clover kingdom.This are Yuno,Magic Emperror and William Venegeance.So yeah Black Sheeps and witches are fucked up right now....hmm may be finally some demon will show up from 5 leaf clover and turn the table...
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Well my imression from Fanzel is that he was a stripper and Domina was in BDSM club.
You have good strong points

i feel that the alliance is made because the queen of witches is super super strong so strong it requires an alliance to take her down. If she has the means to fix asta's arms which currently no one can do right now and this is ancient demon magic it will require serious mana to repair so it means that likely she's as strong as the sorcery emperor hence the alliance that was made to take her down.

Remember to get to the Clover kingdom one in theory has to pass the witches kingdom so it's possible the witches kingdom is like an impenetrable defense for anybody to get through. It's likely the sorcery emperor will show up along with Willaim and Yami show up.

i also think that the queen of witches is going to be shocked as hell and be like "wth is a guy with no mana doing with the most dangerous grimiore in civilzation" currently i wouldn't be surprised if she removes vanessa slavery and maybe become a mana teacher to asta to improve how to use his grimioer

Consequently it's also possible that perhaps the queen of witches coupled with vanessa and the other might unlock asta's grimiore. asta needs a serious powerboost right now and i see him doing serious damage remember asta has a very dangerous grimiore and i wouldn't be surprised if it houses a living demon which is what is being foreshadowed so far
 

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You have good strong points

i feel that the alliance is made because the queen of witches is super super strong so strong it requires an alliance to take her down. If she has the means to fix asta's arms which currently no one can do right now and this is ancient demon magic it will require serious mana to repair so it means that likely she's as strong as the sorcery emperor hence the alliance that was made to take her down.

Remember to get to the Clover kingdom one in theory has to pass the witches kingdom so it's possible the witches kingdom is like an impenetrable defense for anybody to get through. It's likely the sorcery emperor will show up along with Willaim and Yami show up.

i also think that the queen of witches is going to be shocked as hell and be like "wth is a guy with no mana doing with the most dangerous grimiore in civilzation" currently i wouldn't be surprised if she removes vanessa slavery and maybe become a mana teacher to asta to improve how to use his grimioer

Consequently it's also possible that perhaps the queen of witches coupled with vanessa and the other might unlock asta's grimiore. asta needs a serious powerboost right now and i see him doing serious damage remember asta has a very dangerous grimiore and i wouldn't be surprised if it houses a living demon which is what is being foreshadowed so far
So he can lose what defines him as underdog sooner? I dont know about that, Asta is fine with just the anti-swords, maybe he can get improved versions, after a while in the story, but if he gets "serious" anti-magic power-ups, the theme of the manga will get very bad, depending on the magnitude of said power-ups. first, just him getting a bow and arrow with anti-magic for instance, would allow him to effectively hit magicians regardless of their magical defenses no problem, if he gets any ability to negate magic, on a radius with his Grimoire, even if just for a brief timing, would also make him too broken.
What he truly needs to do is improve his physique up to a good level, to cope better with physical damage and to wield his swords with progressive skill, so that he can overcome more skilled magicians in the future.

Also it´s better for his anti-magic to remain Sharp close quarter weapons wise, like it started because, while he does get a harder time against higher radius magics and problems against liquid, wind and energy based magics, to counter, he still gets the favourable high ground against Solid magic attacks, though there could be some blunt weapon additions in the future.
 
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So he can lose what defines him as underdog sooner? I dont know about that, Asta is fine with just the anti-swords, maybe he can get improved versions, after a while in the story, but if he gets "serious" anti-magic power-ups, the theme of the manga will get very bad, depending on the magnitude of said power-ups. first, just him getting a bow and arrow with anti-magic for instance, would allow him to effectively hit magicians regardless of their magical defenses no problem, if he gets any ability to negate magic, on a radius with his Grimoire, even if just for a brief timing, would also make him too broken.
What he truly needs to do is improve his physique up to a good level, to cope better with physical damage and to wield his swords with progressive skill, so that he can overcome more skilled magicians in the future.

Also it´s better for his anti-magic to remain Sharp close quarter weapons wise, like it started because, while he does get a harder time against higher radius magics and problems against liquid, wind and energy based magics, to counter, he still gets the favourable high ground against Solid magic attacks, though there could be some blunt weapon additions in the future.

but it would make so sense for asta to only have just swords to be a good warrior means to also be knowledgeable about other weapons. Since his sword is good for close quarters he needs the following three sets of weapons to his collections

1) fully body armour. : now with his anti magic swords and full body armour he'd kill anybody and fight without worry and never get damaged again like he currently did
2) bow and arrows: he needs something long range like bows and arrows or even a gun for all i care. asta is ok with close range fighters but as you said to counter far distance fighters bows and arrows are needed for sure
2) a battle axe double edged or a spear or a trident. these weapons are designed for mid range fights so he now can fight mid range fighters
3) maybe a shield for protection

this way he covers all three types of fights close range fighters (two swords), mid range fighters (battle axe, spear, trident) and long range fighters (bow and arrow)
 

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but it would make so sense for asta to only have just swords to be a good warrior means to also be knowledgeable about other weapons. Since his sword is good for close quarters he needs the following three sets of weapons to his collections

1) fully body armour. : now with his anti magic swords and full body armour he'd kill anybody and fight without worry and never get damaged again like he currently did
2) bow and arrows: he needs something long range like bows and arrows or even a gun for all i care. asta is ok with close range fighters but as you said to counter far distance fighters bows and arrows are needed for sure

2) a battle axe double edged or a spear or a trident. these weapons are designed for mid range fights so he now can fight mid range fighters
3) maybe a shield for protection

this way he covers all three types of fights close range fighters (two swords), mid range fighters (battle axe, spear, trident) and long range fighters (bow and arrow)
Too broken, only way to actually defeat Asta with Magic while he´s using a full anti-magic body armor, would be if there were weaknesses like pin pointed magic attacks in the armours openings in the elbows, ankles and other parts weakened due to the flexibility require for the main body to move, the rest would be use of gas attacks to directly poison or mess with the air around Asta that he needs to inhale, like a human being, liquid and energy attacks become pratically useless against Asta.

Asta doesnt seem like the type of guy that will use a shield right now, but he could develop to adopt one throwable just like cap. America.
 

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Too broken, only way to actually defeat Asta with Magic while he´s using a full anti-magic body armor, would be if there were weaknesses like pin pointed magic attacks in the armours openings in the elbows, ankles and other parts weakened due to the flexibility require for the main body to move, the rest would be use of gas attacks to directly poison or mess with the air around Asta that he needs to inhale, like a human being, liquid and energy attacks become pratically useless against Asta.

Asta doesnt seem like the type of guy that will use a shield right now, but he could develop to adopt one throwable just like cap. America.
either way we know he needs some form of body protection i am thinking full body armour and shield would do him very good
not to mention since the armour is anti-magic any wind or smoke or posion would be neutralized immediately IF it's magic based if it isn't then he's screwed but until then he's okay
 

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either way we know he needs some form of body protection i am thinking full body armour and shield would do him very good
not to mention since the armour is anti-magic any wind or smoke or posion would be neutralized immediately IF it's magic based if it isn't then he's screwed but until then he's okay
I personally am not too fond of the idea of full body armour, if it happens then... :sclap

His Magic Cleaver can already deflect magic - but, as Vetto stated he has weaknesses; solid ranged attacks can't easily be deflected and he's hopeless against reinforcement type magic as well as enhancement magic.

Someone who is physically stronger then him would be quite rare in this world, but not too rare - he needs something that can help with that. He just has too many weaknesses, he will always have a few no matter what type of anti-magic weapon/defense he gets. That's why he has never fought by himself so far and won on his own (exceptions being Revchi, Sekke and Valtos - kinda).

He does have 'Ki' to help with detection, he can only use magic when his 'Magic Eater' absorbs it from someone (which has only been used once so far... I wonder when we'll see it again).

About this 'demon' inside his grimoire, what exactly does it do? It changes his eyes, but does it enhance anything? Strength, slight change of personality? Is it trying to possess/control him? I can't wait to find out more about it.
 

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I personally am not too fond of the idea of full body armour, if it happens then... :sclap

His Magic Cleaver can already deflect magic - but, as Vetto stated he has weaknesses; solid ranged attacks can't easily be deflected and he's hopeless against reinforcement type magic as well as enhancement magic.

Someone who is physically stronger then him would be quite rare in this world, but not too rare - he needs something that can help with that. He just has too many weaknesses, he will always have a few no matter what type of anti-magic weapon/defense he gets. That's why he has never fought by himself so far and won on his own (exceptions being Revchi, Sekke and Valtos - kinda).

He does have 'Ki' to help with detection, he can only use magic when his 'Magic Eater' absorbs it from someone (which has only been used once so far... I wonder when we'll see it again).

About this 'demon' inside his grimoire, what exactly does it do? It changes his eyes, but does it enhance anything? Strength, slight change of personality? Is it trying to possess/control him? I can't wait to find out more about it.

the way i see it for him to be the emperor sorcerer he needs ti be more independent and can't rely on others so he needs more protection and armour as vetto pointed out his weaknesses asta has to do something about them and overcome those weaknesses by other means unless the grimiore is the key to unlocking and solving all those problems
 

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Iam not big fan of Asta to have armor.It will be similar to Berserk and will slow him down or use different weapons like bow.Asta is melee fighter that is why he have only swords.I saw someting interesting noone mention but Witch Kingdom all witches have familiars...dog,cat or crows
Familiar = ."A familiar spirit (alter ego, doppelgänger, personal demon, personal totem, spirit companion) is the double, the alter-ego, of an individual. It does not look like the individual concerned. Even though it may have an independent life of its own, it remains closely linked to the individual. The familiar spirit can be an animal (animal companion)."

So what I mean here is that Asta is gonna have first contact with his demon inside grimoire who is opposite to Bell Sylph of Yuno.Elemental spirits help their owner grow.They are persofication of the 4 main elements in the world 1.Earth,2.Wind,3.Water,4.Fire and among the strongest familiars but not all familiars are helpers without to gain equal price for their efforts.What demons want is the soul of their owner after death or to feed with his negative emotions=despair,sadness,fear.For me Asta will be on the verge of death seeing his friends and witches too so the demon will offer him his power but only if they have a contract with hight price.The element of the demons is darkness.Asta wont have a choice but to agree and sign it with his blood.
 
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