Hangout Black Clover Hangout Thread

[Eiryuu]

Iam not big fan of Asta to have armor.It will be similar to Berserk and will slow him down or use different weapons like bow.Asta is melee fighter that is why he have only swords.I saw someting interesting noone mention but Witch Kingdom all witches have familiars...dog,cat or crows
Familiar = ."A familiar spirit (alter ego, doppelgänger, personal demon, personal totem, spirit companion) is the double, the alter-ego, of an individual. It does not look like the individual concerned. Even though it may have an independent life of its own, it remains closely linked to the individual. The familiar spirit can be an animal (animal companion)."

So what I mean here is that Asta is gonna have first contact with his demon inside grimoire who is opposite to Bell Sylph of Yuno.Elemental spirits help their owner grow.They are persofication of the 4 main elements in the world 1.Earth,2.Wind,3.Water,4.Fire and among the strongest familiars but not all familiars are helpers without to gain equal price for their efforts.What demons want is the soul of their owner after death or to feed with his negative emotions=despair,sadness,fear.For me Asta will be on the verge of death seeing his friends and witches too so the demon will offer him his power but only if they have a contract with hight price.The element of the demons is darkness.Asta wont have a choice but to agree and sign it with his blood.

I would really like to see them interacting in some way - even if it's just Asta noticing it for the first time. I am rather curious; did Revchi and Vetto see the demon or no? They were frightened for a reason, so I believe they at least felt its presence.

Now; a contract on the other hand - interesting. I don't think Asta would speak about the demon to anyone so easily, especially if the contract holds a heavy price. I just wonder what he may have to give up or do in order to seal the deal.

 

[Tabaro Foka]

I would really like to see them interacting in some way - even if it's just Asta noticing it for the first time. I am rather curious; did Revchi and Vetto see the demon or no? They were frightened for a reason, so I believe they at least felt its presence.

Now; a contract on the other hand - interesting. I don't think Asta would speak about the demon to anyone so easily, especially if the contract holds a heavy price. I just wonder what he may have to give up or do in order to seal the deal.

Yes I think they saw it but just for a mere second.But first time he show his form Аsta was desperate.He needed some power to help Yuno.Second time he was angered.I think demon is more interested from Asta negative emotions not his enemies.

Hmm it depends on situation.Asta is ready to sacrafice himself for his friends.The demon will wait for the right moment.Imagine that Noelle is bleeding on the ground,Fanzel is unconscious,witches are sreaming and cry when diamond mages and WNDE kill some of them.Asta never was in situation when see many deaths of good characters.

 

[Eiryuu]

Yes I think they saw it but just for a mere second.But first time he show his form Аsta was desperate.He needed some power to help Yuno.Second time he was angered.I think demon is more interested from Asta negative emotions not his enemies.

Hmm it depends on situation.Asta is ready to sacrafice himself for his friends.The demon will wait for the right moment.Imagine that Noelle is bleeding on the ground,Fanzel is unconscious,witches are sreaming and cry when diamond mages and WNDE kill some of them.Asta never was in situation when see many deaths of good characters.

I wouldn't be surprised if somehow his grimoire dispells the curse - but his arms are still damaged, unless it has some kind of super regeneration I don't see him springing into action anytime soon. That is of course, if there isn't someone there who could heal him.

Strong negative emotions do seem to be a trigger; Asta is a ball of positivity so those moments are rare - so I hope he does come to feel some kind of 'despair'. With who is arriving, no doubt something bad will happen to someone he cares about. Yami did say he wanted Asta to see what a battlefield was like and now he is seeing it. With the condition he is in, he will be useless and he will not take that well. Again... I love angst, so I hope we get some moments like that in this arc.

 

[Tabaro Foka]

I wouldn't be surprised if somehow his grimoire dispells the curse - but his arms are still damaged, unless it has some kind of super regeneration I don't see him springing into action anytime soon. That is of course, if there isn't someone there who could heal him.

Strong negative emotions do seem to be a trigger; Asta is a ball of positivity so those moments are rare - so I hope he does come to feel some kind of 'despair'. With who is arriving, no doubt something bad will happen to someone he cares about. Yami did say he wanted Asta to see what a battlefield was like and now he is seeing it. With the condition he is in, he will be useless and he will not take that well. Again... I love angst, so I hope we get some moments like that in this arc.

It is possible his demon to have healing powers and super regeneration but it will be too easy to fix it.I think there is someone who can heal them but it will take some time and Asta will join later in this war.
Lets say 2 or 3 chapters without him fight.For this time we can see diamond magic worriors fighting abilities,Fana real power and strongest witches with the Queen+Fanzel and Domina.
Yes Asta will be hurt emotionally next chapter but it is good for this manga.It is boring if they only won every fight without to loose someone it may be Fanzel and Domina because they are secondary characters but Asta is connected with them.

 

[Aonori]

either way we know he needs some form of body protection i am thinking full body armour and shield would do him very good
not to mention since the armour is anti-magic any wind or smoke or posion would be neutralized immediately IF it's magic based if it isn't then he's screwed but until then he's okay

Most of it yes, but what about the holes his helmet would require to have so that he can breath? If said magic type could get pass the holes while he´s breathing, that would have to be effective.

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I personally am not too fond of the idea of full body armour, if it happens then...

His Magic Cleaver can already deflect magic - but, as Vetto stated he has weaknesses; solid ranged attacks can't easily be deflected and he's hopeless against reinforcement type magic as well as enhancement magic.

Someone who is physically stronger then him would be quite rare in this world, but not too rare - he needs something that can help with that. He just has too many weaknesses, he will always have a few no matter what type of anti-magic weapon/defense he gets. That's why he has never fought by himself so far and won on his own (exceptions being Revchi, Sekke and Valtos - kinda).

He does have 'Ki' to help with detection, he can only use magic when his 'Magic Eater' absorbs it from someone (which has only been used once so far... I wonder when we'll see it again).

About this 'demon' inside his grimoire, what exactly does it do? It changes his eyes, but does it enhance anything? Strength, slight change of personality? Is it trying to possess/control him? I can't wait to find out more about it.

Maybe he can have a training in that área with someone with good mana to spare for the training? Noel would be a good first choice, mana wise, but there are also others Asta train with if necessary, to get more used to the prospect of using stolen magic in a combat situation.

 

[amit-monsterman999]

Most of it yes, but what about the holes his helmet would require to have so that he can breath? If said magic type could get pass the holes while he´s breathing, that would have to be effective.

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Maybe he can have a training in that área with someone with good mana to spare for the training? Noel would be a good first choice, mana wise, but there are also others Asta train with if necessary, to get more used to the prospect of using stolen magic in a combat situation.

maybe the armour can have a gas mask filter on it ???

I don't know the problem is that yuno is a very independent fighter and can fight alone asta can't so he needs to become more independent somehow and the only way is to become more safer and carry a larger diverse set of weapons for combat purposes

 

[Aonori]

maybe the armour can have a gas mask filter on it ??

Only if it´s on a modern status!

 

[Eiryuu]

Spoiler: Cover WSJ Issue #48

Cover looks nice.

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Spoiler: Ch.84 Images

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Spoiler: Ch.84 Text

Ch. 84 - Decision of the Battlefield
- White Night Eye and Diamond Kingdom approaches the Witches Forest
- Asta recognizes Fana as a member of the Third Eye, the same group as Vetto
- Finral panics, Fanzel seems to recognize Fana and Mars
- Someone reveals that they know the QW is in the 'heart' of the forest, in which Fana uses her Salamander to destroy part of the forest - this causes panic umong the residents
- Vanessa begins to regain consciousness, she has a vision of Yami - who turns into Asta as she opens her eyes
- Asta and Vanessa have an argument regarding Vanessa's choice to become a slave if the QW healed his arms, Finral tries to get them to calm down
- Asta uses his magic eating sword to hit his left arm - which only causes him a lot of pain
- After some more talking - the QW decides to heal his arms, being successful. Noelle is surprised by how advanced her healing magic is.
Remember, next issue is also a Cover Lead!!

 

[amit-monsterman999]

the raw came out does or can anybody translate it ?

 

[Eiryuu]

the raw came out does or can anybody translate it ?

Basically just this;

Spoiler: Ch.85

- Asta thanks the queen
- "We're going to Return fire to the Diamond soldiers and I'll meet Mars" is basically what Fanzel says. Asta tells him not to die
- I believe the huge-ass Golem Fana defeats was the 'Golem Queen'
- Asta and co. show up and help the witches
- Noelle helps put out the fires
- The WNE member is an 'Ivy' user, he plans to take the witches to have 'fun' (sicko, you deserve what you got)
- Asta takes him and a few other members out, they acknowledge him as the one who "took out Vetto" (lol, it was Yami)
- Fana sends him a fireball which he deflects with his 'Demon Cutter" sword
- She defends herself (looks like she took some damage though)
- Fana claims she'll kill him and Asta says 'no matter how many you send, we'll return it'.

*Generals name could be 'Kazlaser'.

 

[smokeesid]

From the time this contrived plot device of cursed and fractured hand has been implemented, this manga seems to have lost its charm. I hope it doesn't get cancelled in this duration

 

[Eiryuu]

From the time this contrived plot device of cursed and fractured hand has been implemented, this manga seems to have lost its charm. I hope it doesn't get cancelled in this duration

Him having his arms healed so quickly disappointed me quite a lot. It should've been handled a lot better.

I don't think it'd be cancelled. It's doing alright, it ranks in the top 5 every week - frequently in the top 3. The manga sales aren't that bad either. I do look forward to seeing how the last chapter ranks 6 weeks from now. (Probably not that well, I don't expect it to be high on the list)

 

[amit-monsterman999]

Him having his arms healed so quickly disappointed me quite a lot. It should've been handled a lot better.

I don't think it'd be cancelled. It's doing alright, it ranks in the top 5 every week - frequently in the top 3. The manga sales aren't that bad either. I do look forward to seeing how the last chapter ranks 6 weeks from now. (Probably not that well, I don't expect it to be high on the list)

well if the main character has damaged arms hows he going to fight right now he's down to two swords ideally he should never have been damaged to begin with the fight against vetto

 

[smokeesid]

Asta is a fighter who fends off the villains. Still, his swords don't cut and he hasn't learned any swordsmanship. And unlike One Piece, here the beaten villains resurface again. And on top of that, the use of bland plot device start to accentuate the above written absurdity that start to discourage the readers.

 

[Shasha23]

Asta is a fighter who fends off the villains. Still, his swords don't cut and he hasn't learned any swordsmanship. And unlike One Piece, here the beaten villains resurface again. And on top of that, the use of bland plot device start to accentuate the above written absurdity that start to discourage the readers.

I get what you mean, his power shouldn't have been swords if the author is going to chicken out of showing Asta kill or slice every time he lands a sword strike. And the pacing sometimes is just too fast and ridiculous, Veto shouldn't have cursed his arms it should have been his eyes or something and the Queen witch shouldn't have healed them so soon, it should have been when all hope was lost and she was backed into a corner, that way her healing Asta wouldn't have been this stupid.

 

[Eiryuu]

https://jaiminisbox.com/reader/read/black_clover/en/0/85/

I get what you mean, his power shouldn't have been swords if the author is going to chicken out of showing Asta kill or slice every time he lands a sword strike. And the pacing sometimes is just too fast and ridiculous, Veto shouldn't have cursed his arms it should have been his eyes or something and the Queen witch shouldn't have healed them so soon, it should have been when all hope was lost and she was backed into a corner, that way her healing Asta wouldn't have been this stupid.

I completely agree. He should've been healed at a moment when he reached despair. He should've felt hopeless when he couldn't do anything, only being able to stand there and watch the carnage.

I'm still a little salty about how it was handled. I do hope the next few chapters make up for it. Especially Mars and Fanzel's 'history'.

 

[amit-monsterman999]

https://jaiminisbox.com/reader/read/black_clover/en/0/85/


I completely agree. He should've been healed at a moment when he reached despair. He should've felt hopeless when he couldn't do anything, only being able to stand there and watch the carnage.

I'm still a little salty about how it was handled. I do hope the next few chapters make up for it. Especially Mars and Fanzel's 'history'.

unlikely but he already is disadvantaged for one he has no mana and he really is a short distance fighter so he's screwed on many fronts then again the author may not know enough about swordmanship to actually explain the logic behind such a fight

also i do like a contract with the griomire idea you mentioned at the top that is realistic and maybe he might morph into a demon but again that's also been done before

its hard to see something new in this manga or at least something unique about asta technically he's another natsu, luffy, goku and naruto all in one

 

[Eiryuu]

Spoiler: Ch.86 Spoilers

- Title might be; ‘Exacerbation of the Flame’.
- They discover Asta's swords are the 'Elemental Spirits' natural enemy as they are made up of magic
- Fana gets a headache while fighting Asta
- She recalls some memories (I believe this was just before the massacre, we some conversation between Licht and this character)
- Fana’s jewel cracks and reveals her third eye and Salamander grows some more
(To be updated)
Images here!

 

[amit-monsterman999]

Spoiler: Ch.86 Spoilers

- Title might be; ‘Exacerbation of the Flame’.
- They discover Asta's swords are the 'Elemental Spirits' natural enemy as they are made up of magic
- Fana gets a headache while fighting Asta
- She recalls some memories (I believe this was just before the massacre, we some conversation between Licht and this character)
- Fana’s jewel cracks and reveals her third eye and Salamander grows some more
(To be updated)
Images here!

"- They discover Asta's swords are the 'Elemental Spirits' natural enemy as they are made up of magic"
so by that statement it means that Asta's got two crazy OP weapons in his hands well the one interesting thing is this is prolly the first time i've actually seen a legit tag team battle properly displayed and properly utilized.

the witch girl is using her strings to guide asta around at high speed and precision and magic carpet dude is using his space warp to warp asta unexpected places. This is ttechnically a perfect, competent and battle prowress 3 person battle team which I find very good in this manga. the author still made it a one to one fight since its asta vs fana but both sides have supports fana's support is the dragon and asta has his friends support

I wonder if asta could become an emperor this way as currently most fighters are individual solo fighters doing everything themselves but asta and black clover are relying on each other to take down the enemy

ideally i would have liked a noelle vs fana fight as it would be female to female and both have dragons and noelle did create a water dragon and id be interested how her dragon would pillar against her dragon. Also i see noelle needs a water elemental spirit as well seeing how her mana is so high

 

[Eiryuu]

"- They discover Asta's swords are the 'Elemental Spirits' natural enemy as they are made up of magic"
so by that statement it means that Asta's got two crazy OP weapons in his hands well the one interesting thing is this is prolly the first time i've actually seen a legit tag team battle properly displayed and properly utilized.

the witch girl is using her strings to guide asta around at high speed and precision and magic carpet dude is using his space warp to warp asta unexpected places. This is ttechnically a perfect, competent and battle prowress 3 person battle team which I find very good in this manga. the author still made it a one to one fight since its asta vs fana but both sides have supports fana's support is the dragon and asta has his friends support

I wonder if asta could become an emperor this way as currently most fighters are individual solo fighters doing everything themselves but asta and black clover are relying on each other to take down the enemy

ideally i would have liked a noelle vs fana fight as it would be female to female and both have dragons and noelle did create a water dragon and id be interested how her dragon would pillar against her dragon. Also i see noelle needs a water elemental spirit as well seeing how her mana is so high

Yes! Noelle vs Fana is indeed something quite a few people want. Even if it's short, I would like to see it. I just hope Fana lasts more then the next 5 chapters.

Also, it's obvious. Asta has always had an OP weapon on hand. Just depended on how he utilized it.