Discussion Blackbeard's Strength

[ofir271]

BB gravity power is the strongest in OP.nothing can beat it bassicly - thats his nature.
he has his agenda dreams and great crew as well.this make him the perfect oponent to luffy
he will probably get stronger in the new world while beating some of the supernovas before meeting luffy for a/the big battle.

with all that he can be defeated by a strong fast fighter that dosnt rely on DF powers like zoro or hawk, but that will be like avoiding the battle agaist his DF powers and its not oda/luffy style.

my guess is that,when the battle come,luffy will come to him face to face and even at the face of that nothing his life force will and hacki would not be touched,and bb power will be useless.

 

[beastboy]

Well, smoker>>> BB
BB use gravity on smoker
smoker stays in the hand of BB with out is DF.
By doing this BB touches the kairoseki sword
smoker is smoke again and bit BB in the head, and son't take the sword of is head.
BB enneable to move would be a deth man.

HAHAHAH
just a joke but is plausble

 

[bittman]

Beastboy, not to rain on your parade, but everything is subject to gravity. A natural Black Hole is able to even suck in light, and smoke is far more substantial than light.

So no, not plausible.

 

[Dice]

Just now there came another idea into my mind. Since BB's logia is so special and has the power of the devil itself (BB said something like that) couldn't it be possible that seastone doesn't effect this fruit. Then there were no possible way to keep him imprisoned aslong as he is alive. This could be another reason why he choose this fruit.
But that's just a crazy idea without any real base^^

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

Beastboy, not to rain on your parade, but everything is subject to gravity. A natural Black Hole is able to even suck in light, and smoke is far more substantial than light.

So no, not plausible.

I think you did not understand what he meant. His plan is linked to the fact Smoker has a kairouseki sword. He supposed that Smoker would be attracted to BB because of his gravity power and then use his kairouseki sword to stop BB's power even if it stops his ones too : indeed as the BB's DF already prevent him from using his DF, he should prevent both of them to use their DF powers with the karouseki sword.
By this strategy, he would beat him with the sword like if it was a non DF users'fight.
Theorically, it works.

 

[beastboy]

@bittman
If he could suck light couldn't he suck fire Oo.
BB doesn't control gravity it self.
If he could do that he would just increase de gravity until ace die, simple as that.
And is Black Hole isn't quick to do and he as to release evrithing before use is DF, it sounds like a defence break.
And don't you really think that he can use BH for defence, cause if he could he would use it in the batle with ace.
You're overstimating BB a lot.

edit: lorde rayleigh said what I was trying to say in my previous post!


ps: BB sucks a lot (he sucked an entire village)

 

[braindamage351]

Blackbeard is close to invincible.

1. If you use a weapon, he sucks the weapon away
2. If you use a devil fruit power, he sucks the DF power away
3. If you use martial arts, you have to fight a giant superhumanly strong haki-using brawler that could scar a yonkou, all with your feet off the ground

The only way to beat Blackbeard is if you can outbrawl him. And seeing as how everyone uses DF and weapons, only Luffy will be able to manage that.

 

[Dalyup!]

It doesn't mention anywhere that Blackbeard has haki nor has it even been implied, I don't think. If he did have haki what would be the point of him getting a DF that nullifies other DFs when haki already does that?

Also, Blackbeard's awesome. I hope he kills Whitebeard in the upcoming battle.

 

[bittman]

@ Dalyup: Because Haki is not a solution to the problem, it's just a tool. A carpenter's favourite tool may be a circular saw, but he's not going to throw away his hammer and nails. A Boxer may have an outstanding left hook, but he's not going to only throw left hooks.

But yeah, Blackbeard having haki is just a hypothesis, he may not.

@ beastboy: well, perhaps his power will grow? Luffy didn't exactly start at Gear 2, but I digress because I've never seen a villain grow (because we've never seen Luffy beat a villain that's been built up beyond their introductory arc yet).

But yeah, I probably overestimated Blackbeard a little, but the general point is unless what he sucks in actually damages him (in which case he just got hit by 50 tons of broken village), he should be able to suck anything, without exception.

That said, I still wonder what he did with Ace's spirit bomb...

 

[beastboy]

Well villains never grow cause they're beaten in max 2 weeks, but BB had enough time to do it, and what we see from is power was a little few of the real gravity.
If he could control gravity he would just destroy the universe with a finger, and he would be able to increase the mass of the things (>mass=>>gravity, no mass no gravity, no higger mass no higger gravity) so he could use is power as miss valentine ^^!


If he can do all that and he just doesn't needed he is awessom other wise miss valentine can actually kill him, no mass no gravity^^)

 

[BlackHair]

Whitebeard vs Blackbeard

Regarding the great endless forbidden WB vs BB discussions. I wanted to roll back that topic, since I just recently noticed sth, which I believe is the decisive argument. I seriously wish to have noticed that sooner xD.

Anyway, Whitebeard and Bleackbeard were introduced in chapter 234, with WB labelled as the strongest man. At that time he was the strongest simply coz of that infobox saying he is. Now we all expect BB to be the the final villain, thus he must become at some point stronger than WB.

As he was introduced in that chapter, he already had his devil fruit yet he wasn't labelled as the strongest. My conclusion is that he just recently ate the darkness fruit, hence he hasn't mastered it completely. Therefore he had still his way to go.

I have always supported the idea that Oda is letting his antagonist growing, just like Luffy the protagonist. Since we don't see him fighting like the protagonist, we can't really tell if he got stronger or not. But there are small changes in his appearances over the different arcs.

At Jaya -> at Banaro Island -> at Impel Down. As u can see on BB, there is a change in his clothes over the arcs. I believe these are defining his growth in fighting power. Since other like Kuma, Flamingo, WB, Shanks etc didn't had any changes. I believe this way Oda is displaying the development in his fighting power.

Now considering this I believe since now it came to the great war, WB and BB are equal or BB slightly weaker. After the war, he will be stronger. So that said, it's not like WB's infobox was a lie. It was just telling the present fact, not the future.


Anyway, Im the only one seeing the change of clothes as kind of sign of his grow in battle power? btw refrained from starting a new thread, since it is an old topic. Just wanted to post it xD

 

[Sachsenhesse]

Jeah everytime we saw him, he became more "pirate". I personally think that Oda wants to show on Blackbeard how pirates really were, on the other side luffy represents the romance in pirateering. He loves adventure and dont cares about the whole word, BB does really care about the world and his position, also he goes straight without leting things in his way.

 

[beastboy]

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sorry for the hahahah's but you make me laugh..
Did BB cut the sky when joking with ace... yes cause WB wasn't serious, BB would need to crack ace's neck with one finger to be stronger than a man that cuts the sky cam'on man, you're joking right, since I think that WB wasn't using haki, and that he would do an half of the damages on the sky I think that he wouldn't move if BB attacks with kuro uzo.. and if ACE had time to attack, WB would cut him in an half..

 

[BlackHair]

1. I put BB equal to WB or a bit weaker. Only after his victory over WB, I would call him stronger!
2. The clash of Shanks and WB cut the sky in half. It's not like WB did all alone. Even if, it has no meaning.
3. Damage shown on material things wouldn't necessarily be the same on character
   Some examples:
   • Luff's Gear 3 was able to crack up steel, yet Lucci took one of those fists directly and survived.
   • Ace's hiken took out a few ships, yet BB survived that.
   • Kizaru's laser took out a mangrove and with the same laser Kuma melted on TB steel, yet Zoro took one of those and survived.
4. Enel was able to destroy a island which Luffy still can't. Yet he beat him down.

 

[beastboy]

well lucci has something called TEKKAI, that makes is skin stronger than steel.
If lucci can make a skin stronger than steel, BB should be able to create one stronger than wood.
And again, if lucci and kaku can, why zoro can't, he doesn't call it tekkai, but he is a lot faster, in this week ep he was running at the same speed as luffy in gear 2, and he doesn't sayed soru...
4- he could destroy an Island with the help of a gigantic gold made ship, with some crazy things, and yet he took a lot of time to charge it up, and the island don't end up destroyed( at least not until the white sea)

At Jaya -> at Banaro Island -> at Impel Down. As u can see on BB, there is a change in his clothes over the arcs. I believe these are defining his growth in fighting power. Since other like Kuma, Flamingo, WB, Shanks etc didn't had any changes. I believe this way Oda is displaying the development in his fighting power.

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Damage lines is plausible (not to much but is plausible) but changing cloths makes you stronger is hust stuuuuupppiiiiiiiid, shanks didn't changed is clothes but in an SBS ODA ANSWERED that he is stronger than 10 years before, and the same for sanji, that is always with the same clothes exept in special events (maybe the tie changes).

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

Re: Whitebeard vs Blackbeard

At Jaya -> at Banaro Island -> at Impel Down. As u can see on BB, there is a change in his clothes over the arcs. I believe these are defining his growth in fighting power. Since other like Kuma, Flamingo, WB, Shanks etc didn't had any changes. I believe this way Oda is displaying the development in his fighting power.
Anyway, Im the only one seeing the change of clothes as kind of sign of his grow in battle power? btw refrained from starting a new thread, since it is an old topic. Just wanted to post it xD

I agree that it is linked. If you notice some changes, you must have seen the most important one : BB have obtained the two-horned hat at the Shichibukai summit. But what is more interesting is that BB wears the two-hornet hat like Napoléon did : parallel to the shoulders instead of perpendicular.
Napoléon becomes general in the french republican army, then first consul on November 9, 1999 : after the coup d'état. The next step was to become Emperor on May 11, 1804.
Is it a parallel with BB that became pirate in the WB fleet and then Shichibukai ? What is the next step he talked about ?

 

[beastboy]

OH the hat thing I think is plausible, but changing closes makes you strong, I change clothes everyday, am I stronger than luffy......

 

[Razh]

OH the hat thing I think is plausible, but changing closes makes you strong, I change clothes everyday, am I stronger than luffy......

Oh please, cut the crap. He meant to say that Oda was showing Blackbeard's growth with the changes of his outfit.

Personally, I don't think Blackbeard is any stronger now than he was when he was fighting Ace. Maybe a little. There hasn't really been that much time.

 

[JC123]

well lucci has something called TEKKAI, that makes is skin stronger than steel.
If lucci can make a skin stronger than steel, BB should be able to create one stronger than wood

Lucci was a government agent. Why in the world would BB have something to be similar to Rokushiki just for the sake of argument? He's a brawler. He's BIG! More than likely, he can take a LOT of punishment without any interference from Marines. He has no structure.

Regarding changing clothes. The SHs HAVE changed clothes. Usopp was bandaged for the longest because of his fight with Mr. 4. They had winter clothes and summer clothes. Regardless, they have gotten stronger.

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Damage lines is plausible (not to much but is plausible) but changing cloths makes you stronger is hust stuuuuupppiiiiiiiid, shanks didn't changed is clothes but in an SBS ODA ANSWERED that he is stronger than 10 years before, and the same for sanji, that is always with the same clothes exept in special events (maybe the tie changes).

We haven't seen BB but he looks a helluva lot more regal than he did before. Something changed. His ability to control his power? His ability to take damage? I unno but damn if that wasn't a good way to show that something IS different with him.

Personal note:

Long elongated words as well as baseless arguments do tend to annoy people. Careful that someone not retaliate by taking them the wrong way.

 

[beastboy]

oh so robin or nami are stronger than BB cause they changed clothes more times.......

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Ok I asked 6 peoples to read BlackHair post and the 6 said IS HE STUPID OR WHAT
and did not use baseless arguments BlackHair did, were ae the bases to tell that chars grow up when they change clothes.