Shounen Bleach by Tite Kubo

[Firebird0ne]

Yeah I feel like it's lacking in the feminine area as well. I've just always been a fan of the female characters or female fighters in just about everything and anything. There's this show on HBO called "Looking" and it really touches upon the same thing and makes the most relatable sense. The show is about three gay men living their lives and such and one of them (Jonathan Groff) is a level designer. The discussion was about how he chooses to play as a girl in video games not because he's gay but because the girl is always the outcast in the world of video games and she's overlooked, underestimated, and picked last; as a gay man it was relatable because he's gone through the same ordeals. That's why I can relate too because I've always felt a stronger connection towards the seemingly outcasted female fighters. People like Yoruichi and Unohana are revered only now because they've shown their power but I've been a fan of them from the get-go.

I'm not trying to promote any kind of ordeals or political beliefs because that'd be inappropriate for this thread so please (and this is directed to anyone reading this) don't confuse this as anything but a relation of topics. lol

I just agree with you, dude, that there should be a better representation of the female gender in the manga because the chicks can seriously kick some ass without the help of anyone else. Yoruichi is my choice for alpha female. Unohana would be the wisest but IDGAF I WANT YORUICHI. She's such a babe.

Okay, have to agree, she is a babe! I just wish she'd have a little more subtlety. But then, that's a personal preference. Being a quieter person, myself, I enjoy a partner who can be a strong, secure person without having to shout about it and show it off. I tend to think actions speak louder than words. So, sometimes Yoruichi grates on me a little with her brazenness, but oh yeah, I do love to watch her kick ass! So, I wonder...where the hell is she in this arc?????

 

[Starrked]

Okay, have to agree, she is a babe! I just wish she'd have a little more subtlety. But then, that's a personal preference. Being a quieter person, myself, I enjoy a partner who can be a strong, secure person without having to shout about it and show it off. I tend to think actions speak louder than words. So, sometimes Yoruichi grates on me a little with her brazenness, but oh yeah, I do love to watch her kick ass! So, I wonder...where the hell is she in this arc?????

Dude, it's more like, "where the hell is everyone?!" Yumichika, Ikkaku, and Hisagi were off-paneled. The vizards aren't actually in the mix yet. We haven't seen anything from Ukitake nor have we seen the usual fighters. Like when are people going to make an actual attempt to take down these quincy???

 

[Firebird0ne]

Dude, it's more like, "where the hell is everyone?!" Yumichika, Ikkaku, and Hisagi were off-paneled. The vizards aren't actually in the mix yet. We haven't seen anything from Ukitake nor have we seen the usual fighters. Like when are people going to make an actual attempt to take down these quincy???

Well, I think since we know Bach wants the fighting to continue so that he keeps gaining power, he will sit, cozy in his castle and let the SRs and the captains and VCs continue to do battle. We know Isane is out there healing the injured, so they'll be back. And because we haven't even seen Urahara, Yoruichi, Isshin, Mayuri, Kenpachi, the Hueco Mundo group, Shunsui and Ukitake take the field, things will probably turn the worse for Gotei, despite the powered up Byakuya, Rukia, Renji and Ichigo. Meeting Uryu is the likeliest thing to shake Ichigo up. Renji's going to be seriously challenged by Nanana and I'm hoping Byakuya and the newly crowned Kenpachi will tag team fight Haschwalth or Mr.Fire Fingers with the usual amusing banters to liven things up. Rukia may still take on Bambi's ex-girl pals. I guess we'll see!

 

[Starrked]

Okay so I just wanna pose the idea that Ukitake isn't as strong as he was initially made out to be. I remember thinking he was a definite top tier captain because he was one of the oldest and stood up to Yama-jii with Shunsui, but after all these years of not seeing him do much and him being so frail because of his illness I don't feel like he's such a threat. Yeah his zanpaktou is pretty cool in that it can absorb and redirect the attack but that's all we've seen him do. Until I see him take down a Sternritter, and a powerful one at that, he's nothing more than a middle tier captain for me.

 

[Hakuteiken]

Okay so I just wanna pose the idea that Ukitake isn't as strong as he was initially made out to be. I remember thinking he was a definite top tier captain because he was one of the oldest and stood up to Yama-jii with Shunsui, but after all these years of not seeing him do much and him being so frail because of his illness I don't feel like he's such a threat. Yeah his zanpaktou is pretty cool in that it can absorb and redirect the attack but that's all we've seen him do. Until I see him take down a Sternritter, and a powerful one at that, he's nothing more than a middle tier captain for me.

I don't know. What is there to base the idea that he is a mid tier captain on? Practically nothing. Of course, I know that the hype is also pretty vague, but I feel more along the lines of an "until proven otherwise" argument.

 

[Duniak]

I don't know. What is there to base the idea that he is a mid tier captain on? Practically nothing. Of course, I know that the hype is also pretty vague, but I feel more along the lines of an "until proven otherwise" argument.

He can redirect Stark's Ceros like it's nothing, while one of them can damage severely Shunsui. Guy can keep up with both Stark and Shunsui, is profficient with Kido. And all of that in SHIKAI. Mid tier captain? If we were to compare Shikais he's easily the strongest with Kyoraku. The only Shinigamis who could possibly give them troubles in Shikai are Kenpachi and Byakuya after RG training. And the first duo could handle Yamaji's Shikai while using Shikai. Those 2 tag teams are OP, "until proven otherwise".

 

[Hakuteiken]

He can redirect Stark's Ceros like it's nothing, while one of them can damage severely Shunsui. Guy can keep up with both Stark and Shunsui, is profficient with Kido. And all of that in SHIKAI. Mid tier captain? If we were to compare Shikais he's easily the strongest with Kyoraku. The only Shinigamis who could possibly give them troubles in Shikai are Kenpachi and Byakuya after RG training. And the first duo could handle Yamaji's Shikai while using Shikai. Those 2 tag teams are OP, "until proven otherwise".

Yeah, but we might also argue that it's just that his power happened to be a good way to counter Starkk's cero blasts.
Then again, we have never been shown the extents of what Ukitake's Zanpakutou can do. I'd be surprised if the only thing it could do was to redirect a direct attack. Also, hype in Bleach usually pays off in one way or another, so, I tend to have faith in his power as of now, true.

 

[Josef]

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[Starrked]

He can redirect Stark's Ceros like it's nothing, while one of them can damage severely Shunsui. Guy can keep up with both Stark and Shunsui, is profficient with Kido. And all of that in SHIKAI. Mid tier captain? If we were to compare Shikais he's easily the strongest with Kyoraku. The only Shinigamis who could possibly give them troubles in Shikai are Kenpachi and Byakuya after RG training. And the first duo could handle Yamaji's Shikai while using Shikai. Those 2 tag teams are OP, "until proven otherwise".

Yeah, but we might also argue that it's just that his power happened to be a good way to counter Starkk's cero blasts.
Then again, we have never been shown the extents of what Ukitake's Zanpakutou can do. I'd be surprised if the only thing it could do was to redirect a direct attack. Also, hype in Bleach usually pays off in one way or another, so, I tend to have faith in his power as of now, true.

Well I mean yeah he's hyped up but so were the vizards and look at how they turned out to be. I still have faith in the vizards and believe in their power, but Ukitake's hype can only get him so far with me. Personally, "until proven otherwise" (gonna throw some massive shade on that phrase cuz.....shade), Ukitake can only handle so much. His body is frail and his tuberculosis always, ALWAYS, gets the best of him. Him and Shunsui are an amazing duo but so are Yoruichi and Soi Fon, Byakuya and Kenpachi, Lisa and Hiyori, and Rose and Love. Soi Fon by herself isn't all that great but pair her with Yoruichi and the two can take care of some business together. So why should it be any different for Ukitake? Because he's one of the oldest captains and withstood his ground amidst Ryujin Jakka? Okay. Like there needs to be more of him before I can truly consider him in the top tier. Everything about his reputation suggests that he should be among the top but I just like to be skeptical and keep myself away from the general belief or hype of a character. Know what I mean?

 

[Hakuteiken]

Well I mean yeah he's hyped up but so were the vizards and look at how they turned out to be. I still have faith in the vizards and believe in their power, but Ukitake's hype can only get him so far with me. Personally, "until proven otherwise" (gonna throw some massive shade on that phrase cuz.....shade), Ukitake can only handle so much. His body is frail and his tuberculosis always, ALWAYS, gets the best of him. Him and Shunsui are an amazing duo but so are Yoruichi and Soi Fon, Byakuya and Kenpachi, Lisa and Hiyori, and Rose and Love. Soi Fon by herself isn't all that great but pair her with Yoruichi and the two can take care of some business together. So why should it be any different for Ukitake? Because he's one of the oldest captains and withstood his ground amidst Ryujin Jakka? Okay. Like there needs to be more of him before I can truly consider him in the top tier. Everything about his reputation suggests that he should be among the top but I just like to be skeptical and keep myself away from the general belief or hype of a character. Know what I mean?

I get your point, I guess. That's certainly a perspective you can adopt. Had he shown more, I'd argue more about it, but then, you'd also probably be less sceptical about his power, as well. I, for one, usually stay away from "Who is stronger and who is weaker" talk before I see anything to draw a comparison. Ukitake is assumed to be strong, right there on par with Kyouraku, but Kubo hasn't shown us anything that backs this suggestion up. So, actually I find it a bit odd to say one is stronger/weaker in this context.

 

[Starrked]

I get your point, I guess. That's certainly a perspective you can adopt. Had he shown more, I'd argue more about it, but then, you'd also probably be less sceptical about his power, as well. I, for one, usually stay away from "Who is stronger and who is weaker" talk before I see anything to draw a comparison. Ukitake is assumed to be strong, right there on par with Kyouraku, but Kubo hasn't shown us anything that backs this suggestion up. So, actually I find it a bit odd to say one is stronger/weaker in this context.

All too true. I guess making comparisons in strength in reference to Ukitake is a little premature. I just have this feeling that I'm going to be let down if and when he gets his battle or pair up with Shunsui and it's not what I had hoped for it to be.

HOWEVER after all this talk I think we'll finally get to see Ukitake and Shunsui show off their pairing skills and see just why it is that they're the best duo in all of Soul Society. It can't just be because their zanpaktous are both duo blades.

 

[Hakuteiken]

All too true. I guess making comparisons in strength in reference to Ukitake is a little premature. I just have this feeling that I'm going to be let down if and when he gets his battle or pair up with Shunsui and it's not what I had hoped for it to be.

HOWEVER after all this talk I think we'll finally get to see Ukitake and Shunsui show off their pairing skills and see just why it is that they're the best duo in all of Soul Society. It can't just be because their zanpaktous are both duo blades.

That's what I want to see, as well. They have been talked about as a good duo and if I'm not wrong, Captain-Commander said their skills were complementing each other, so, they should definitely have great teamplay going on.
I wouldn't be sad if they had their individual battles, but a tag fight sounds better for sure.

 

[Starrked]

That's what I want to see, as well. They have been talked about as a good duo and if I'm not wrong, Captain-Commander said their skills were complementing each other, so, they should definitely have great teamplay going on.
I wouldn't be sad if they had their individual battles, but a tag fight sounds better for sure.

Tbh, if Shunsui ends up fighting Haschwald again I can see Ukitake swooping in to "off-set the balance" or level out the playing field. Or to just have the two of them square off against the right-hand of Ywach.

 

[devstauk]

i think the reason Ukitake could be ill is due to him and Shunsui training bankai together and possibly shunsui's ended up making Ukitake lose an internal organ or something

 

[Starrked]

i think the reason Ukitake could be ill is due to him and Shunsui training bankai together and possibly shunsui's ended up making Ukitake lose an internal organ or something

He has tuberculosis, not an organ loss. But I see where you're going with it. That'd be a nice explanation as to how Ukitake fell sick. Unless Ukitake got tuberculosis naturally and not from training.

 

[devstauk]

Well him having TB is unconfirmed, i thought that was just speculation and i don't remember it being told that way. But if it is true meh how boring, plus having a missing organ would cause the same symptoms he has.

 

[Starrked]

True about both, it being speculation and providing the same symptoms. I can see so many fan fics happening if we find out that Shunsui is the one who hurt Ukitake. All the yaoi fans are gonna go cray cray.

 

[REN KOUEN]

Currently re-watching the bleach anime

im at episode 112, im absolutely in love with this anime, probably the best anime of the big 3

 

[Starrked]

Bleach's anime is better than One Piece, imo. It's pretty even with Naruto for me though.

 

[REN KOUEN]

Bleach's anime is better than One Piece, imo. It's pretty even with Naruto for me though.

Im on episode 120

i absolutely love it, the animation, the music

everything is awesome

i will be skipping all filler of course