Shounen Bleach by Tite Kubo

[kkck]

Welp saw the live action bleach and... and... it's surprisingly worth a watch. It has a few cringy moments but that is more because it's bleach rather than because its bad.

 

[Doughboy]

Welp saw the live action bleach and... and... it's surprisingly worth a watch. It has a few cringy moments but that is more because it's bleach rather than because its bad.

Where?

 

[kkck]

Where?

I watched it on netflix.

 

[henry9960]

Heya, so I've recently started reading bleach (chapter 160 atm ) and have really been enjoying it so far and I would love to have at least the SS arc in full colour (currently thinking about doing chapter 71+, maybe more!), I can do most of the editing myself (maybe an advanced redrawer would be nice, but not needed) but I'm mainly looking for a translator that can translate at least a few chapters a week.

I could rip the translations from the official release but if I don't have to, I would rather not do that, so if you know anyone or are interested in helping translate it, contact me here or on discord henry#9960

 

[Ramen]

Anyone else excited for the return of Bleach? @kkck

 

[kkck]

Anyone else excited for the return of Bleach? @kkck

I was never quite an anime viewer tbh. I'd be very interested if, say, they make the anime different from the manga. As in, they change stuff that made the manga not quite work towards the end and include plot which didn't make it to the manga but appeared in spin off material. For example, a particularly bad moment in the manga was when ichigo returned from the royal palace to SS. The return trip took ichigo something like.... a day IIRC? And when ichigo got to SS he did jack shit and had to immediately rush back to the royal palace. And then not showing all the royal guard abilities and bankai... or ukitake's and shinji's bankai... Or the vaizards for some reason not using mask and bankai.

 

[Ramen]

I was never quite an anime viewer tbh. I'd be very interested if, say, they make the anime different from the manga. As in, they change stuff that made the manga not quite work towards the end and include plot which didn't make it to the manga but appeared in spin off material. For example, a particularly bad moment in the manga was when ichigo returned from the royal palace to SS. The return trip took ichigo something like.... a day IIRC? And when ichigo got to SS he did jack shit and had to immediately rush back to the royal palace. And then not showing all the royal guard abilities and bankai... or ukitake's and shinji's bankai... Or the vaizards for some reason not using mask and bankai.

I'm not a big anime guy either. However, TYBW had some of the best moments so it would be cool to see them animated especially Ichibei, Kenpachi vs Unohana, and Yama's bankai.

Plus, I don't know who else to discuss bleach with.

 

[NoOneInParticular]

I was never quite an anime viewer tbh. I'd be very interested if, say, they make the anime different from the manga. As in, they change stuff that made the manga not quite work towards the end and include plot which didn't make it to the manga but appeared in spin off material. For example, a particularly bad moment in the manga was when ichigo returned from the royal palace to SS. The return trip took ichigo something like.... a day IIRC? And when ichigo got to SS he did jack shit and had to immediately rush back to the royal palace. And then not showing all the royal guard abilities and bankai... or ukitake's and shinji's bankai... Or the vaizards for some reason not using mask and bankai.

I'm not much of an anime viewer either, and honestly I went off the Bleach anime a long time before it ended. Started finding the animation really sloppy dull tbh. But I agree, I might find it worth my time if they flesh the final arc out. And there's a lot to address if they do do that - what did Senjumaru do that got her a royal guard position? What exactly was the nature of Yhwach's relation to the Soul King? Was he a literal son or another body part that became independent? Did SS actually plan to have Aizen do anything or did they just bring him out so he could sit in a chair for an afternoon? The entire timeline could use clearing up, too.
I know the novel explains some of this and more, but is it even canon? Would be nice to have stuff like this officially pinned down.

But if the anime is a direct adaptation of the manga, shitty ending and all, then tbh I can't say I care..

 

[kkck]

I'm not much of an anime viewer either, and honestly I went off the Bleach anime a long time before it ended. Started finding the animation really sloppy dull tbh. But I agree, I might find it worth my time if they flesh the final arc out. And there's a lot to address if they do do that - what did Senjumaru do that got her a royal guard position? What exactly was the nature of Yhwach's relation to the Soul King? Was he a literal son or another body part that became independent? Did SS actually plan to have Aizen do anything or did they just bring him out so he could sit in a chair for an afternoon? The entire timeline could use clearing up, too.
I know the novel explains some of this and more, but is it even canon? Would be nice to have stuff like this officially pinned down.

But if the anime is a direct adaptation of the manga, shitty ending and all, then tbh I can't say I care..

A bunch of those were mentioned either in the manga or extended universe, so to speak, stuff.

Senjumaru made the shinigami uniform. The significance of that is unclear though.

Dunno about the soul king and his relationship to juhabach but an interesting tibbit is that most of his organs were allied with the quincy, the only exception being the one ukitake kept with himself. Juahabach also seemed surprised that mimihagi would side with the shinigami.

IIRC shunsui did plan to have aizen become the soul king. It kinda looks more like the soul king was a bit of a prisoner rather than being in control. One of the novels apparently makes the point that the royal guard in reality worked for the noble families rather than the soul king.

 

[NoOneInParticular]

A bunch of those were mentioned either in the manga or extended universe, so to speak, stuff.

Senjumaru made the shinigami uniform. The significance of that is unclear though.

Dunno about the soul king and his relationship to juhabach but an interesting tibbit is that most of his organs were allied with the quincy, the only exception being the one ukitake kept with himself. Juahabach also seemed surprised that mimihagi would side with the shinigami.

IIRC shunsui did plan to have aizen become the soul king. It kinda looks more like the soul king was a bit of a prisoner rather than being in control. One of the novels apparently makes the point that the royal guard in reality worked for the noble families rather than the soul king.

Ah, I didn't know about Shunsui's plan with Aizen. To be honest I only read some summaries of parts of Can't Fear Your Own World, so there are things I missed. But yeah, Yhwach seems distinct from all the other SK parts. They take on their own names and identities, but they're still referred to as "hand" or "heart", whereas Yhwach calls himself "son", which could just be his ego talking I suppose. And then there's the question of how he ended up being born in some random village somewhere in what appears to be the human world.

At any rate, it would be cool if they rolled some of this stuff into the anime adaptation. It's nice and all that the novels exist, but some stuff would've been better placed in the main story than in supplementary media. And another thing I'd like is more focus on Uryu.

 

[Blink22]

I’m just going to be glee to hear the old banger OST in the new animation. I hope the iconic ones make a return.

 

[kkck]

It's gonna be awesome in the anime to watch ichigo take all that trouble to get to the royal palace, then run for 24 consecutive hours back to SS only for him to immediately have to return to the royal palace. Where he will do stuff until he finally returns to SS for his final duel with juhabach. You know, maybe this anime series isn't the best idea.

 

[Ramen]

There's only 4 things I want to see in the anime. Ichibei vs Yhwach and Yama vs Yhwach. Kyoraku's bankai will be nice to see animated as well. Also the stomp of Squad Zero

 

[SnuggleCupcake]

There's only 4 things I want to see in the anime. Ichibei vs Yhwach and Yama vs Yhwach. Kyoraku's bankai will be nice to see animated as well. Also the stomp of Squad Zero

I really want to see Aizen vs Yhwach! I also wonder if they'll show Ichigo's bankai properly before it gets destroyed

 

[kkck]

Quite frankly, i would maintain that animating bleach as it ended is basically pointless. Bleach's ending was... just bad. And there was so much randomly left up in the air. If there is going to be a new bleach anime it should at least change the following:

1.- Reveal the remaining captain bankais. As in, ukitake's and shinji's. And the royal guards bankai...
2.- Give chad and origihime something to do. Their entire thing in the arc was a whole lot of running behind ichigo. And then not do much of anything in general.
3.- Have ichigo do something other than running. The war started with ichigo running to HM, then running from HM to SS, then going to the royal palace, then running away from the royal palace to SS, then immediately run back to the royal palace, then run after juhabach, then run back to SS. This is absolutely as stupid as it sounds.
4.- Explain WTF unohana's bankai is. Yes, its awesome. But we have literally no idea of what it is.
5.- FFS, do a proper quincy flashback. To explain juhabach and the soul king. Which is literally most of the plot of the war arc. Also, lets us see a young yamamoto hand juhabach his ass.
6.- Explain the random soil king organs roaming around. They are clearly important to the plot and potentially even interesting. But FFS, explain this.
7.- Do not off screen the royals guard's fight against juhabach. And if you must, then give them something to do afterwards. It makes no sense to off screen their defeat if they aren't getting more fights.
8.- Give tessai something to do. The guy was captain of the kido corps ffs... Have him do some kido. Let him reunite with hachi and let them hug it out or something. I always imagined their reunion having the manliest hugs and tears for some reason.

 

[Ramen]

Just want to put my top 5 strongest characters:

1) Yhwach
2) Aizen
3) Ichibei
4) Yamamoto
5) Ichigo

From what I've seen, this pretty much the clear consensus of characters but their is debate between 2-5.

 

[kkck]

It's honestly hard to tell how exactly to even measure them.... ichigo and aizen both had trancendental reiatsu and that whole thing with it being above what mere mortals could feel. But ichigo just used it the one time and aizen kept it but it seemed inferior to juhabach's power towards the story's end. Overall kubo just ignored ichigo's transcendental power and never elaborated on what a zampakuto fused to the arm meant. And instead ichigo went with a completely different set of powers development. He got a zampakuto to embody both his quincy and shinigami powers and we never quite found out what his bankai did.

Yamamoto in turn had massive power. To the point where juhabach, a fairly powerful being at the arc's start, saw to weaken yamamoto before dealing with him. I doubt anyone in the royal guard had more power raw power than yamamoto at least. Ichibei was fairly hax though his abilities were... different. Dunno what his ink would do against something like the living sun yamamoto became through his bankai.

With that in mind, I have no idea of where ichigo would be ranked... I am a bit of the idea that the strongest ichigo we saw was the transcendental one that defeated aizen because his reiatsu was a step above even hyogoku aizen. Though its impossible to tell if this ichigo was stronger than juhabach. All we can know is that juhabach regarded ichigo as strong at the series' end so perhaps transcendental ichigo might have been stronger than end of story juhabach. But as i said, its impossible to know. After all, it took a silver bullet to defeat juhabach....

 

[Ramen]

It's honestly hard to tell how exactly to even measure them.... ichigo and aizen both had trancendental reiatsu and that whole thing with it being above what mere mortals could feel. But ichigo just used it the one time and aizen kept it but it seemed inferior to juhabach's power towards the story's end. Overall kubo just ignored ichigo's transcendental power and never elaborated on what a zampakuto fused to the arm meant. And instead ichigo went with a completely different set of powers development. He got a zampakuto to embody both his quincy and shinigami powers and we never quite found out what his bankai did.

Yamamoto in turn had massive power. To the point where juhabach, a fairly powerful being at the arc's start, saw to weaken yamamoto before dealing with him. I doubt anyone in the royal guard had more power raw power than yamamoto at least. Ichibei was fairly hax though his abilities were... different. Dunno what his ink would do against something like the living sun yamamoto became through his bankai.

With that in mind, I have no idea of where ichigo would be ranked... I am a bit of the idea that the strongest ichigo we saw was the transcendental one that defeated aizen because his reiatsu was a step above even hyogoku aizen. Though its impossible to tell if this ichigo was stronger than juhabach. All we can know is that juhabach regarded ichigo as strong at the series' end so perhaps transcendental ichigo might have been stronger than end of story juhabach. But as i said, its impossible to know. After all, it took a silver bullet to defeat juhabach....

Ichigo, Ichibei and Aizen were on the 5 special powers list.

Ichibei isn't only hax, his ink is next level but he was able to crush Yhwach's throat and is extremely fast. Aizen and Ichigo I agree with but if it wasn't for Kisuke, Azien would've killed Ichigo. Yamamoto is easily top 5.

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Trailing them would be Shunsui and Zaraki.

 

[kkck]

Ichigo, Ichibei and Aizen were on the 5 special powers list.

Ichibei isn't only hax, his ink is next level but he was able to crush Yhwach's throat and is extremely fast. Aizen and Ichigo I agree with but if it wasn't for Kisuke, Azien would've killed Ichigo. Yamamoto is easily top 5.

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Trailing them would be Shunsui and Zaraki.

Ichigo was a bit of a dumbass against aizen though. He had a very comfortable advantage and still went for his final getsuga tensho.... which didn't kill aizen but also left ichigo needlessly drained.

Yeah, ichibei was a beast all around, no doubt about that. But so was yamamoto... He could punch strong arrancar out of existence without even using his zampakuto. It really depends on whether ichibei can write on yamamoto though.

I agree that zaraki probably trails them but I don't think shunsui necessarily does. Byakuya deserves at least a mention there. the guy became so powerful at the end that his shikai looked like a bankai. He also easily defeated 3 or 6 (don't remember the exact amount) sternritter on his own to boot. And that considering every sternriter was at least captain level or above... I am not sure if byakuya could fight off shunsui's bankai (which is broken) but there is a good chance that overall byakuya is stronger.

And then... there are several shinigami with rather absurd abilities which are just hard to quantify. I don't think renji holds a candle to byakuya but in terms of overall abilities he probably is top tier in the gotei 13 considering how he defeated mask without that much trouble with his bankai. Shinji is probably not THAT powerful in straight combat but his bankai seems absurd if we go by the novels. Hitsugaya can apparently power up to about byakuya's level or near it at least...

I suppose the list for me would end up something like

1.- Transcendental ichigo (maybe)
2.- Juhabach
3.- Aizen
4.- EOS ichigo (though he might be stronger than aizen)
5.- Yamamoto
6.- ichibei


The royal guard is exceptional of course but based on their actual performance I am not necessarily convinced that individually each was stronger than every individual gotei 13 captain. Unohana, kenpachi, shunsui or byakuya seem like they could put up a fight against some royals at least.

 

[Ramen]

Ichigo was a bit of a dumbass against aizen though. He had a very comfortable advantage and still went for his final getsuga tensho.... which didn't kill aizen but also left ichigo needlessly drained.

I think that was supposed to set up Kisuke.

Yeah, ichibei was a beast all around, no doubt about that. But so was yamamoto... He could punch strong arrancar out of existence without even using his zampakuto. It really depends on whether ichibei can write on yamamoto though.

If Yama wears black then it's game over. I think Ichibei's ink hax is >> Yama's bankai. Though both should've kicked Yhwach's ass but then Almighty bs came along.

I agree that zaraki probably trails them but I don't think shunsui necessarily does. Byakuya deserves at least a mention there. the guy became so powerful at the end that his shikai looked like a bankai. He also easily defeated 3 or 6 (don't remember the exact amount) sternritter on his own to boot. And that considering every sternriter was at least captain level or above... I am not sure if byakuya could fight off shunsui's bankai (which is broken) but there is a good chance that overall byakuya is stronger.

Byakuya IMO is the 3rd strongest captain after those 2. Shunsui is the CC, has high battle IQ and like you said, his bankai is broken. From what I've seen, I'd say that Zaraki and Shunsui are comfortably ahead of everyone else.

And then... there are several shinigami with rather absurd abilities which are just hard to quantify. I don't think renji holds a candle to byakuya but in terms of overall abilities he probably is top tier in the gotei 13 considering how he defeated mask without that much trouble with his bankai. Shinji is probably not THAT powerful in straight combat but his bankai seems absurd if we go by the novels. Hitsugaya can apparently power up to about byakuya's level or near it at least...

I don't know why Renji didn't become a captain but he's definitely strong enough for it. Shinji isn't necessarily a combat fighter though. He's more maneuver and hax. Toshiro is wierd. Was losing pretty badly to Bazz-B but then had powered up greatly against Gerard.

I suppose the list for me would end up something like

1.- Transcendental ichigo (maybe)
2.- Juhabach
3.- Aizen
4.- EOS ichigo (though he might be stronger than aizen)
5.- Yamamoto
6.- ichibei

Like I said, the top 5 are agreed by mostly everyone. Ichigo, Yhwach, Ichibei, Yama and Aizen.

The royal guard is exceptional of course but based on their actual performance I am not necessarily convinced that individually each was stronger than every individual gotei 13 captain. Unohana, kenpachi, shunsui or byakuya seem like they could put up a fight against some royals at least.

Royal Guard as in Squad Zero? Yea I don't buy the whole Squad Zero combined is stronger than the Gotei 13 combined. The only person that individually beats them all is Ichibei with the exception of Yama but he's gone.