Can current urek with his light powers beat Admins?

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

Shiny people are regarded as gods in urek's world similar to how admins are gods in TOG world.

Is it possible that current urek like enryu can beat admins?

@Ray Barracuda @arrowofsky @maverickframe_19 @undefined etc

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

Hard to tell. UM treats the tower as a game and restricts his powers. He prolly thinks his shiny powers as sacred and admins as final boss. There must be a reason why SIU said Jahad can't beat admin and not both can't beat admin. I think there are atleast 2 restrictions on UM.

First being he is subduing the shinsu which shouldn't show max efficiency and thus using his percentage gimmick and using basic combats. He should let the shinsu flow freely. That may be the reason why he doesn't use bangs normally and only uses h2h combats. 2nd being his shiny powers.

On another hand, we even don't know whether Enryu fought on his own or used the thorn. Heck he could be one of the alpha testers too. Maybe that's why he is familiar with shinsu or else it won't make sense as even Phanta wasn't able to use it. From what I heard, it was stated Phanta used sth unknown weapons and powers. People fear unknown. There are multiple occasions of this in TOG.

 

[maverickframe_19]

His light powers might not fully come out inside the tower to the extent that he can kill an admin, in my opinion. We saw Hell Joe took away the ability to use Sinshoo in the floor of death, and if Urek has to rely only on his light powers, I think the admin will win. But if the fight were to take place outside the tower, Urek might have a chance.

Enryu, so far being above Urek and Zahard, is justified.

 

[arrowofsky]

His light powers might not fully come out inside the tower to the extent that he can kill an admin, in my opinion. We saw Hell Joe took away the ability to use Sinshoo in the floor of death, and if Urek has to rely only on his light powers, I think the admin will win. But if the fight were to take place outside the tower, Urek might have a chance.

Enryu, so far being above Urek and Zahard, is justified.

I agree with you. There must be something on why Urek never uses Shiny powers because he likes to show off and it is just one part of it. We are either one or two chapters away from the answer I believe. Honestly though, if he can just cast some Shiny power and barge everything in front of him, this is too OP and boring. Maybe they will reveal a special relation of 'darkness' and administrators' powers. If Rahab can do something similar to light devourers, admins should be able to do so.

 

[Ray Barracuda]

I agree with you. There must be something on why Urek never uses Shiny powers because he likes to show off and it is just one part of it. We are either one or two chapters away from the answer I believe. Honestly though, if he can just cast some Shiny power and barge everything in front of him, this is too OP and boring. Maybe they will reveal a special relation of 'darkness' and administrators' powers. If Rahab can do something similar to light devourers, admins should be able to do so.

We literally learn this chapter that Urek is playing a game of restrictions with himself and sees everything as fun


He's even suppressing his own shinsoo too just to make it even more fun.


Shinsoo is fun to him and he's curious.


There's no deeper reason why he's not showing off those powers, SIU keeps repeating it every chapter that he just doesn't wanna use it because he's having fun here.



Also the Admins being able to do something that took the involvement of Phanta to achieve is weird, doesn't work like that.


They have authority over shinsoo, not primordial darkness and light from another verse.

 

[maverickframe_19]

I agree with you. There must be something on why Urek never uses Shiny powers because he likes to show off and it is just one part of it. We are either one or two chapters away from the answer I believe. Honestly though, if he can just cast some Shiny power and barge everything in front of him, this is too OP and boring. Maybe they will reveal a special relation of 'darkness' and administrators' powers. If Rahab can do something similar to light devourers, admins should be able to do so.

If only Phanta can bless Luslec when the eventual face-off happens with everyone, he might be his biggest obstacle.

 

[kkck]

This is unknowable. And we don't know that shining one powers are in any way, shape or form comparable to administrators. Administrators essentially rule over shinsoo, the very substance of which the tower is made of, as forces of nature beyond human comprehension. The light, while it does have it's place in the world's overall cosmology, remains an unknown.

 

[SHSL_ZETSUBOU]

If only Phanta can bless Luslec when the eventual face-off happens with everyone, he might be his biggest obstacle.

Its probably just reading into it but what if the incomplete side of the world Urek mentions that spells draw power from is actually darkness. Urek being a luminous one see's the light as what brought about the completion of the world.

My only issue with Luslec having any connection is that I think Urek would have mentioned it or took him more seriously. Urek mentioned he would stop messing around if there was a connection between Rahab and the light swallowers.

 

[maverickframe_19]

Its probably just reading into it but what if the incomplete side of the world Urek mentions that spells draw power from is actually darkness. Urek being a luminous one see's the light as what brought about the completion of the world.

My only issue with Luslec having any connection is that I think Urek would have mentioned it or took him more seriously. Urek mentioned he would stop messing around if there was a connection between Rahab and the light swallowers.

Urek is so strong right now, he probably didn't care to mention. Having said that, though - Arlene Grace prayed to OG (let's say Darkness), Luslec Grace referring to himself as the darkness of the tower + a follower of Arlene Grace. I mean the seeds are there, if only SIU could act on it, then we're feasting.

 

[Demonspeed]

Luslec having connections to Phanta is definitely wishful thinking LOL. It'd make no sense at all.

Urek has no clear ceiling but nothing says he can beat an Admin right now, with or without Shiny powers.

 

[SHSL_ZETSUBOU]

Luslec having connections to Phanta is definitely wishful thinking LOL. It'd make no sense at all.

Urek has no clear ceiling but nothing says he can beat an Admin right now, with or without Shiny powers.

Yeah I cant see Luslecs darkness being the same as the light swallowers. His 'darkness' didn't seem to act like Rahabs either.

Plus if Urek found out he was connected to Phantaminum I doubt he would leave it alone. Urek would have hunted luslec down.

I dont know if it really means much but Ureks completely serious face when asking how to challenge the admin is in stark contrast to when he challenges other characters like danzon so that seems like Urek considers the admin to be a serious challenge. So even if Ureks shining powers are insane I doubt it puts him at a level like Enryu at least not at this point.

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

I don't think luslec has anything to do with phanta unless phanta is the outside god. Or darkness is the outside god.

 

[maverickframe_19]

I don't think luslec has anything to do with phanta unless phanta is the outside god. Or darkness is the outside god.

I'm just saying, If and only if the OG is Darkness itslef and how Arlene prayed to him and Bam being a child blessed by him, Luslec (Arlene's follower) who might have told him about the OG as she's from outside, she might have been OG's follower for a long time before entering tower + her powers also are spells, spells in general are work of witches (assuming arlene to be someone like Agatha or Scarlett Witch from Marvel) . You never know, SIU could go in this direction.

 

[arrowofsky]

Sorry guys but Luslec and Phantaminium-Darkness connection is quite reasonable. Just because Luslec's Dark Charge is "nothing similar to Rahab's" does not mean he does not have a relation. The issue is Dark Charge is not for devouring light or anything anyway. If we force, it might be considered "devourer of connection of outside world and inside the dark charge bubble", which is a stretch, and it is not like boosting Luslec with powers etc. , only his clothes change.
The color of Luslec's spells though, reminiscent of Sun in Baam, and then, may have relevance to the outside god and darkness. We will know if we will see pre-ToG exit and post-ToG exit Arlene Grace spells.

 

[maverickframe_19]

Sorry guys but Luslec and Phantaminium-Darkness connection is quite reasonable. Just because Luslec's Dark Charge is "nothing similar to Rahab's" does not mean he does not have a relation. The issue is Dark Charge is not for devouring light or anything anyway. If we force, it might be considered "devourer of connection of outside world and inside the dark charge bubble", which is a stretch, and it is not like boosting Luslec with powers etc. , only his clothes change.
The color of Luslec's spells though, reminiscent of Sun in Baam, and then, may have relevance to the outside god and darkness. We will know if we will see pre-ToG exit and post-ToG exit Arlene Grace spells.

The introduction of Arlene might just change this series as a whole. We just have to wait and see whether my theory stands or not.

 

[Demonspeed]

Sorry guys but Luslec and Phantaminium-Darkness connection is quite reasonable. Just because Luslec's Dark Charge is "nothing similar to Rahab's" does not mean he does not have a relation. The issue is Dark Charge is not for devouring light or anything anyway. If we force, it might be considered "devourer of connection of outside world and inside the dark charge bubble", which is a stretch, and it is not like boosting Luslec with powers etc. , only his clothes change.
The color of Luslec's spells though, reminiscent of Sun in Baam, and then, may have relevance to the outside god and darkness. We will know if we will see pre-ToG exit and post-ToG exit Arlene Grace spells.

No, as I said before, the strength of Spells depends on the being they are contracted with too. If someone had Spells tied to Phanta, his Spells would be literally invincible. The best Spell Breakers, 13MS, can't be stopped even by Admins. It makes no sense for Luslec to have Spells tied to the strongest being in the verse.

 

[Ray Barracuda]

Possible ways Luslec has connections with Phanta and Urek wouldn't know or have killed him for it.


Example 1:-

Yeah it ain't even a reach at this point, Reed Richards can't outstretch this.

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

Sorry guys but Luslec and Phantaminium-Darkness connection is quite reasonable. Just because Luslec's Dark Charge is "nothing similar to Rahab's" does not mean he does not have a relation. The issue is Dark Charge is not for devouring light or anything anyway. If we force, it might be considered "devourer of connection of outside world and inside the dark charge bubble", which is a stretch, and it is not like boosting Luslec with powers etc. , only his clothes change.
The color of Luslec's spells though, reminiscent of Sun in Baam, and then, may have relevance to the outside god and darkness. We will know if we will see pre-ToG exit and post-ToG exit Arlene Grace spells.

Honestly luslec would be too OP if he can use phanta's powers. Though I can see luslec using 5-10% of his powers. Would be cool ngl. Luslec is goated.

 

[Azumungus]

If Luslec used a power connected to Phanta obviously Urek would notice it. And how anyone in tower would be able to use powers from other universe? Shinsu can take any form. Someone able to turn shinsu into fire, someone into lightning and someone into darkness.

 

[arrowofsky]

Honestly luslec would be too OP if he can use phanta's powers. Though I can see luslec using 5-10% of his powers. Would be cool ngl. Luslec is goated.

This is precisely my idea too. People just assume being able to utilize the "dark" power to the utmost, while Luslec is as far as we know, a towerborn.
I know this dark-light verse and ToG is separate things, but not that unrelated, if Urek's entry into tower is something "no no" acc. to Headon, the opposite of Shiny: Dark things, might be something in the nature of ToG more. This all boils down to the genesis of ToG itself, and I doubt if we ever learn this, SIU may not even explain this even after EoS.