Characters and abilities with unknown Nen categories

[kkck]

Well, the transmutation part of zeno's hatsu makes sense. Giving his nen the shape of a dragon is ultimately transmutation. Also, the first time we saw him fight he did not actually emitted the dragon, he was in contact with it the whole time much like hisoka with his bungee gum or maki with her string. Now, the issue her seems to be that zeno is indeed very proficient with emission. He actually emitted the dragon during the fight with the ants and actually manupulated it to divide into many smaller dragons. Ultimately it is a rather high level of emission to say the least. Perhaps it is something he perfected over the years and does come at a great price though. Zeno is very old though, it is possible he is able to use emission to as good as a degree as possible for a materialization user. Its not like what he did is in itself exceedingly complicated. Giving shape to his dragon should come naturally for him. After that it is a matter of having it maintain its power for a moderate distance so that it can be useful. Even then, there is still the consideration that we have no idea of how much power the dragon loses when being emitted rather than being used in the same manner as against chrollo. For all we know there is a considerable difference.

 

[TheAmericandream]

Honestly, in my brain its an emission hatsu, I really enjoy Nen for its restrictions, perhaps Togashi wrote that Zeno and Silva were Transmutation before the start of Yorknew and forgot when he wrote the fight scene between Chrollo and the Zoldycks? I'd love to see it get clarified later on. Emission type training is the number 1 thing I'd like to see with Nen next in the manga.

 

[Uriel]

Probably we wont see any more training of Nen unless Gon decided to materialize a rod :P

 

[TheAmericandream]

I dunno, we didn't see all of Kurapika's training but we understand how Conjuring works for the most part. I'd love to see something like that explaining Leorio's powers and thus sort of shedding more light on Emission. I think there are a few more Nen Training bits we might get later, not that I feel we need it.

 

[Uriel]

I do think we need it, actually. But do you really think there will be one more Training Arc? After all, Gon has Ging now to teach him.

 

[TheAmericandream]

Very true, I would appreciate a training arc so long as it fits the story and teaches us something new while not contradicting anyone.

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Does anyone have any strong argument for the nen category Gotoh most likely falls into? I would think Enhancement judging by Gido, but I don't really know.

 

[Uriel]

Considering that the coin is real, I would say Manipulation. Fits well in that category personality wise also.

 

[Demonspeed]

I think he conjures pieces and enhance them,so enhancement type.But if pieces aren't real i would say that he is an emitter.

 

[kkck]

I think the coins are actually real. I doubt he would be a conjurer. Using enhancement or emission as a conjurer would not allow for good results either. Manipulation is a definite no IMO for the simple reason that nothing of which he did actually required manipulation. Even the rotation the coins had could be explained without that. Gotoh's ability was basically charging his coins with nen and using them as weapons, without doing any actual control over them I doubt it would make sense he had manipulation.

Basically gotoh's nen is either reinforcement(100%) with emission (80%) or emission (100%) with reinforcement(80%). The reinforcement part is obvious, he is packing the coins with nen after all. Emission is a must because otherwise the coins would lose power rather fast after losing contact with his body. I can't really say which one specifically he is using, either combination would actually seem to work well. Perhaps emission is the better fit overall as it does not seem he is packing that much power into each coin, it seems just shu(or perhaps a similar version but applied with ren or ken) over them which is maintained over a distance. In this regard, as shu is a relatively simply technique which does not apply a lot of power so it would make more sense if the priority was on maintaining all of this power on the coin. If the coins were actually packing a lot of power (say, kinda like putting ko over them) I would lean towards reinforcement though.

 

[Uriel]

After reading your analysis, kkck, I will say Emission then. Just following Hisoka personality Hatsu Test. He's not straightforward at all.

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AND BTW...Now I think His technique was mediocre.

 

[Demonspeed]

I agree with kkck but i have never said he was a conjurer. I think he conjures them because carry many pieces while fighting would not be advantageous.

 

[kkck]

I agree with kkck but i have never said he was a conjurer. I think he conjures them because carry many pieces while fighting would not be advantageous.

Well, conjuring them is a problem in itself. Whether he is emission or reinforcement he is remarkably far away from the category to start with. Perhaps it would be viable with enough training but conjuring coins that fast is bound to be an issue. It would be a practical approach in the sense that he wouldn't run out of weapons but the issue of the penalty cannot be avoided. Besides, here is actual conclusive proof that the coins are not conjured.
http://www.mangareader.net/hunter-x-hunter/327/18
If the coins were conjured he should theoretically be able to make them disappear as well. So if the coins are conjured, why block them one at a time? The coins are most likely actual coins. Perhaps the seemingly limitless number of coins is a bit of a joke or perhaps he keeps them under his sleeve lol.

 

[TheAmericandream]

The coin technique is not that great, but I'm okay with that since as awesome as Gotoh is, I want him to have an inferior ability to the Zoldyck family themselves. I think he was a competent fighter, but he came up against someone much better. I'd place Gotoh on par (or slightly above) with the average Chimera Ant Division captain who recently learned Nen.

 

[Demonspeed]

Well, conjuring them is a problem in itself. Whether he is emission or reinforcement he is remarkably far away from the category to start with. Perhaps it would be viable with enough training but conjuring coins that fast is bound to be an issue. It would be a practical approach in the sense that he wouldn't run out of weapons but the issue of the penalty cannot be avoided. Besides, here is actual conclusive proof that the coins are not conjured.
http://www.mangareader.net/hunter-x-hunter/327/18
If the coins were conjured he should theoretically be able to make them disappear as well. So if the coins are conjured, why block them one at a time? The coins are most likely actual coins. Perhaps the seemingly limitless number of coins is a bit of a joke or perhaps he keeps them under his sleeve lol.

I agree.So we can say he is an enhancer or emitter and his technique is really bad.Even Gon and Killua could beat him.He loses seconds when he takes new coins and coins are not infinite...

 

[TheAmericandream]

For some reason it makes me sad to think of Gon rocking Gotoh's shit. I still think Ja Janken is not all that great either. I'm really looking forward to seeing Gon's fighting abilities fleshed out further so he can catch up to Killua.

 

[kkck]

Well, on strictly technical terms jajanken sucks lol, at least as it is now. As we have seen jajanken is massively underdeveloped due to gon's inexperience. It needs refining. As a result, paper is slow and significantly weaker than rock, rock is powerful but charging takes too long which goes rather badly with the fact that gon is defenseless when he uses it. And scissors.... Well, from what I can tell from the fight with that armadillo ant it works reasonably well, actually better than either. It seems to have moderate power at least and can be made rather fast. Theoretically it should be less useful than paper as gon seems to have an affinity for emission.

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I agree.So we can say he is an enhancer or emitter and his technique is really bad.Even Gon and Killua could beat him.He loses seconds when he takes new coins and coins are not infinite...

Why can we say his technique is very bad? There is more to the technique than just that. When it comes to hatsu if there are things which limit them it tends to make the hatsu stronger. The fact that gotoh has a limited amount of coins, the fact that one way or another there are 2 nen types involved, the fact that he has to draw more coins, it should all have an effect to making the hatsu more powerful. Still, it did not seem to take him long to draw more coins, not even those few seconds. Its not like drawing coins was even an issue against hisoka.

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On that note, I wouldn't say gon would beat gotoh easily. Gon is skilled but gotoh has at least been doing the whole nen thing since before gon. This means that a few issues which gon has should not be present with goton, namely the whole awkward nen control thing which gon has going on. Killua should definitely win though, his speed is insane on a bad day.

 

[TheAmericandream]

Yes, I think Gon is generally perhaps overrated by fans here. If we aren't counting Macho (powered up) Gon transformation, he's fallen severely behind Killua during the events of the Chimera Ant art. Something I noticed right before the palace invasion. I wonder if Gon will develop a second technique or just work on improving on JaJanken. I've never really been a huge fan of it post GI. The fight with Knuckle just made me realize how limited it is, and how versatile Killua's ability is in comparison. Gon was only able to do as well as he did against his opponents in NGL because of his natural instincts and good analysis of his opponent (some of which required Knuckle knowing about JaJanken so feints would work).

While we're on the topic of usable Enhancement abiltiies, does Uvogin in fact have the best Enhancement ability? Since it is so straight forward? Most of the others we've seen (Phinks, Gon, Netero, Gido) seem very reliant on gimmicks that don't work out that well, require too much start up time, or require decades of training to master. I think this is partially why Enhancement is probably my least favorite form of Hatsu. Transmutation and Emission have always seem more versatile to me in terms of battle usage special abilities.

 

[Uriel]

Transmutation IS the vanguard on versatile techniques. Maybe ALL of what we saw had many applications and was hell useful.

And I agree, Gon technique sucks. When Gon got the Knight thingie on GI I thought that maybe Togashi wanted to develop Gon as some sort of Knight to keep the lecture about stereotype characters, but after seeing the Macho Gon I was not so sure.
He needs a second technique to make Jajanken the final move.

 

[Demonspeed]

Yes, I think Gon is generally perhaps overrated by fans here. If we aren't counting Macho (powered up) Gon transformation, he's fallen severely behind Killua during the events of the Chimera Ant art. Something I noticed right before the palace invasion. I wonder if Gon will develop a second technique or just work on improving on JaJanken. I've never really been a huge fan of it post GI. The fight with Knuckle just made me realize how limited it is, and how versatile Killua's ability is in comparison. Gon was only able to do as well as he did against his opponents in NGL because of his natural instincts and good analysis of his opponent (some of which required Knuckle knowing about JaJanken so feints would work).

Killua is my favorite character but i think he has been overrated by the fans since he created Kanmuru,it's true that it's one of the best techniques we have seen so far but it doesn't put him at a totally different level compared to Gon.He has never really used this in a fight that he could win and his 2 others techniques are not that great too.Even if i know that he is stronger than Gon i am not sure he can beat him because Gon is unpredictable and can one shot him when he is in battle mode.

About nen techniques i don't remember clearly but i think Biscuit said it take some years to finalize hatsu in GI arc.

 

[Mylesime]

Concerning gotoh, his ability simply sucks, i don't know how to put that another way. I mean, using shu to enhance the destructive power of an object that you throw.......ubo did the same thing with mere rocks. Adding the fact that he couldn't even control the trajectory.....Worse, i don't know if he could gain a bonus, kowing that the number of coins was limited and taht he seemed to like them, but he hadn't even enough power to pass trough hisoka defense while, so......
With Gon, I think that we have to remember that he's far from having finalized his hatsu. Basically, he can emit his aura, has an amazing ability to concentrate it, and more importantly, he can change the shape of his aura giving it the property to cut. That's far more fickle than others enhancers such as uvoguine, phinx or gotoh if he indeed belongs to this category. On the other side i haven't seen anything from uvo that gon can't replicate .
The jajanken is also adapted to close, mid range and long range figths.
Togashi has started to show the possibilities,using the jajanken as a decoy, or combining the three form.......one after another. But why couldn't Gon combine the differents forms of his hatsu simultaneously?
You know, like throwing krilin like aura blast (in dbz), or giving his ken the property of cuting anything who comes in contact with it?
Gon hatsu is still a work in progress but he has an amazing margin of progress