Discussion Conqueror's Haki Breakdown

[King Moe]

Realistically speaking the only reason for the strawhats to have more COC users in the main crew is for them to better parallel other legendary pirate crews. At this point it wouldn't be weird if all yonko level crews had at least 2 COC users though it remains to be seen if even most of them do. Still, its not a stretch that king, marco, beckham or whoever is BB's number 2 also have it. Then again, we don't know if BB has it...

IIRC it has been said that pacisfista can bleed... And judge, who made a clone army, has a connection to vegapunk as well. It's not a stretch that vegapunk would have made clones which he then further improved via turning them into cyborgs...

Technically Whitebeard had more than 2 under his belt as there was Oden and Ace, but could be possible tat Macro could have, but have to see and it's a given for Blackbeard to have it on his end given how much he being build along with many traits that push he can have it, so that be total of 4 for WB, but then again he isn't just a Yonko, but PK lvl threat to Roger, so make sense why he is special one on his end. Though like you said, it push more for that Strawhats will surpassed Roger Pirates and Whitebeard Pirates in many to all of the ways which that case it is to be expected Luffy will have many COCs under his belt too.

Blackbeard now, he has possibility to have multiple and I can see Burgess and Shiryu could get it given they are his leaders of #1 and #2 ships and closest in command for him, but he also freed multiple lvl 6 prisoners that are within his crew so few/some could have COCs given people like Shiki, Bullet, and Ace were imprisoned there and there are confirmed COCs (Well Shiki isn't confirmed, but to be major rival of Roger and how hype Oda have him to face Garp and Sengoku with one is possible COC and the other confirmed COC, it's hard not to think Shiki is one too), so that is possible for him.

Sanji, Zoro, Usopp, and Jimbei are the ones who can qualified for it and maybe Yamato if they are truly going be 'Oden' of the series and join Luffy's crew too or new characters that have yet to join will be in to have it as well. Though all that together gives Luffy 5 possible COCs members which can happen as the series go on.

 

[kkck]

Technically Whitebeard had more than 2 under his belt as there was Oden and Ace, but could be possible tat Macro could have, but have to see and it's a given for Blackbeard to have it on his end given how much he being build along with many traits that push he can have it, so that be total of 4 for WB, but then again he isn't just a Yonko, but PK lvl threat to Roger, so make sense why he is special one on his end. Though like you said, it push more for that Strawhats will surpassed Roger Pirates and Whitebeard Pirates in many to all of the ways which that case it is to be expected Luffy will have many COCs under his belt too.

Blackbeard now, he has possibility to have multiple and I can see Burgess and Shiryu could get it given they are his leaders of #1 and #2 ships and closest in command for him, but he also freed multiple lvl 6 prisoners that are within his crew so few/some could have COCs given people like Shiki, Bullet, and Ace were imprisoned there and there are confirmed COCs (Well Shiki isn't confirmed, but to be major rival of Roger and how hype Oda have him to face Garp and Sengoku with one is possible COC and the other confirmed COC, it's hard not to think Shiki is one too), so that is possible for him.

Sanji, Zoro, Usopp, and Jimbei are the ones who can qualified for it and maybe Yamato if they are truly going be 'Oden' of the series and join Luffy's crew too or new characters that have yet to join will be in to have it as well. Though all that together gives Luffy 5 possible COCs members which can happen as the series go on.

I've never considered ussop having it but... it does seem like he had the charisma to gather followers when it counts. I suppose technically its not impossible but I would consider this more a gag than anything else. Kinda like if buggy had conqueror's haki....


BB is an interesting crew in this regard since all his commanders are former infamous captains... All of them are candidates for conqueror's haki.

Jimbe doesn't strike me as a conqueror's haki user tbh. He rarely displays those leadership qualities and charisma... if ever. He became captain of the fishman pirates but that was more by process of elimination.

 

[King Moe]

I've never considered ussop having it but... it does seem like he had the charisma to gather followers when it counts. I suppose technically its not impossible but I would consider this more a gag than anything else. Kinda like if buggy had conqueror's haki....


BB is an interesting crew in this regard since all his commanders are former infamous captains... All of them are candidates for conqueror's haki.

Jimbe doesn't strike me as a conqueror's haki user tbh. He rarely displays those leadership qualities and charisma... if ever. He became captain of the fishman pirates but that was more by process of elimination.

Hey Buggy D. Clown is legit! I can truly be up there given how Oda been treating the mighty Buggy even Marines will fail to get him and his crew yet again XD.

BB for sure since he is building an armada of fleet in the future that will probably clashed against Luffy's crew and fleet along with perhaps their fellow WG members be in the fight as well during Battle Royale to get to Raftel and claim the One Piece.

Jimbei you could be right especially since Jimbei is more or less in his Prime lvl and with Sanji, Zoro, Usopp, and maybe Yamato if she joins are younger and can reach their full potential especially to EOS, so Jimbei could be out of the running, but he still be one of the main stronger forces of the crew or only those characters in the long run.

 

[kkck]

Hey Buggy D. Clown is legit! I can truly be up there given how Oda been treating the mighty Buggy even Marines will fail to get him and his crew yet again XD.

BB for sure since he is building an armada of fleet in the future that will probably clashed against Luffy's crew and fleet along with perhaps their fellow WG members be in the fight as well during Battle Royale to get to Raftel and claim the One Piece.

Jimbei you could be right especially since Jimbei is more or less in his Prime lvl and with Sanji, Zoro, Usopp, and maybe Yamato if she joins are younger and can reach their full potential especially to EOS, so Jimbei could be out of the running, but he still be one of the main stronger forces of the crew or only those characters in the long run.

Buggy seems like... someone with actual potential for greatness who failed spectacularly. In that sense, it wouldn't be strange that he had conquerors haki. But he is simply a loser...

BB on the other hand... he seems to defy norms. He doesn't even fit with Ds. To me its also telling that he would have simply given up on his dreams if he didn't find a fruit. He is decidedly different from other Ds at least.

Jinbe is definitely one of the crew's proven heavy hitters. Other crewmembers might have the potential to surpass him but barring zoro and sanji it seems like a long way. Even for sanji it seems at least longish.

 

[King Moe]

Buggy seems like... someone with actual potential for greatness who failed spectacularly. In that sense, it wouldn't be strange that he had conquerors haki. But he is simply a loser...

BB on the other hand... he seems to defy norms. He doesn't even fit with Ds. To me its also telling that he would have simply given up on his dreams if he didn't find a fruit. He is decidedly different from other Ds at least.

Jinbe is definitely one of the crew's proven heavy hitters. Other crewmembers might have the potential to surpass him but barring zoro and sanji it seems like a long way. Even for sanji it seems at least longish.

He stronger than he realize as he did survive in Impel Down and could even beat stronger beasts in there with Luffy and among many feats. It's just his more rusty or don't go for training as he should or he be able to truly fight better among deeper top tiers like Shanks. Buggy can come in many surprises as you never know.

BB is still a D. even though he acts out of usual traits, but we shouldn't underestimate him on the matter at all.

What makes you think Jimbei be always stronger than them? I don't see it especially Sanji and maybe Zoro as he reach his potential and they have yet to reach theirs, so think it's clear he won't be up there close to Luffy overall at EOS.

 

[kkck]

He stronger than he realize as he did survive in Impel Down and could even beat stronger beasts in there with Luffy and among many feats. It's just his more rusty or don't go for training as he should or he be able to truly fight better among deeper top tiers like Shanks. Buggy can come in many surprises as you never know.

BB is still a D. even though he acts out of usual traits, but we shouldn't underestimate him on the matter at all.

What makes you think Jimbei be always stronger than them? I don't see it especially Sanji and maybe Zoro as he reach his potential and they have yet to reach theirs, so think it's clear he won't be up there close to Luffy overall at EOS.

Out of luffy's companions during ID buggy was at the highest level... 2 iirc. And he couldn't even defeat the gorilas iirc. Strength wise at that point there just wasn't all that much to buggy. He is stronger than a normal human of course but by OP standards he probably wasn't even superhuman back then (except for his fruit).

I said it was a long way off, not that they never will. Luffy is already well stronger than jinbe for that matter. As strong as he is, I doubt jinbe is as strong as top 3 yonko commanders or even doflamingo... And among the current strawhats, only zoro and sanji have a chance of being as strong or stronger than him. Clearly franky, brook, nami, ussop, chopper and robin are nowhere near jinbe. I suppose technology is the easy path for franky to grow stronger though even then its hard to imagine him as a yonko commander level threat without the haki to back him up. Nami I suppose is a huge wildcard as long as she keeps zeus though. Firepower wise she could be a yonko level threat... Brook, ussop, chopper and robin do seem to need substantial all around boosts to actually make it to yonko commander level. I can't imagine ussop taking on, say, izo any time soon.

 

[King Moe]

Anyone have idea on what the next step for COC would be like since we starting to see next stage for COO and COA respectively, so makes me wonder what does COC have to show more than just knocking down weak-willed individuals too?

 

[Fox666]

Anyone have idea on what the next step for COC would be like since we starting to see next stage for COO and COA respectively, so makes me wonder what does COC have to show more than just knocking down weak-willed individuals too?

Mind control

 

[King Moe]

Mind control

Is that even possible ?

 

[kkck]

Honestly, no idea lol. I've tried to some up with something a few times but even the bit we do know about is ambiguous enough. As in, even the normal conqueror's haki seems in practice useless. The manga has emphasized conqueror's haki clashes in the past but it has never shown us what it does in one sided scenarios against people who can take it.

 

[King Moe]

Well highest lvl does involve you will split the skies if you clash against another high lvl COC user as one of the traits of having stronger COC, so got be in line with that on what it can produce. Perhaps it can give you Psychic-like powers like you mention than just mind-control or something else?

 

[kkck]

Well highest lvl does involve you will split the skies if you clash against another high lvl COC user as one of the traits of having stronger COC, so got be in line with that on what it can produce. Perhaps it can give you Psychic-like powers like you mention than just mind-control or something else?

I suppose it'd make sense if split skies were a result of conqueror's haki though tbh I am generally skeptical of the physical effect conqueror's haki supposedly has. It's just weird that if it can have such a physical effect then we haven't by now seen it affecting non conquerors at this point. The clash and shockwaves and whatnot is only relevant when two conquerors clash...

 

[Fox666]

Well highest lvl does involve you will split the skies if you clash against another high lvl COC user as one of the traits of having stronger COC, so got be in line with that on what it can produce. Perhaps it can give you Psychic-like powers like you mention than just mind-control or something else?

I don't think that was Conqueror's Haki, just a shockwave caused by the impact.

 

[M3J]

Mind control

might be somewhat possible - have such a strong will that you can control the weaker will for a limited time.

 

[kkck]

It feels like if conqueror's haki could do that we would have already long seen it. Granted that oda has not handled that type of thing with any degree of competence whatsoever. In the end the only thing about conqueror's haki which has not been explained is the splitting skies...

 

[M3J]

It feels like if conqueror's haki could do that we would have already long seen it. Granted that oda has not handled that type of thing with any degree of competence whatsoever. In the end the only thing about conqueror's haki which has not been explained is the splitting skies...

Why or how so? The only one that could have possibly achieved that might have been Whitebeard, and we have been introduced to new stuff in the second part. What'd stop Oda from pulling stuff out of his anus, especially to buff Luffy up?

 

[King Moe]

Not really pulling out of the ass when Oda plans stuff in heavy long term, so pretty sure he know next stage for COC when showing later. Might show this arc as they face the Yonkos.

 

[slavkovski]

I dont remember does i already post in here and already got an satisfying answer or not but i still wondering something about this conqueror's haki..
In the auction house when we first meet rayleigh he use conqueror haki and most people pass out bar the SH crew and law's and kid's crew.. and after that rayleigh said he wanted to talk to the SH crew..
Does conquerors haki are like a burst / explosive that the user cant control the direction of the burst or can the user choose in one room when he doesnt want to hit certain people?
I mean if its like an explosion and the user cant choose a target is that mean all of the straw hat crew are already immune to conqueror's haki? Cause i remember ussop, chopper and nami are also in the action house back then..

 

[M3J]

I dont remember does i already post in here and already got an satisfying answer or not but i still wondering something about this conqueror's haki..
In the auction house when we first meet rayleigh he use conqueror haki and most people pass out bar the SH crew and law's and kid's crew.. and after that rayleigh said he wanted to talk to the SH crew..
Does conquerors haki are like a burst / explosive that the user cant control the direction of the burst or can the user choose in one room when he doesnt want to hit certain people?
I mean if its like an explosion and the user cant choose a target is that mean all of the straw hat crew are already immune to conqueror's haki? Cause i remember ussop, chopper and nami are also in the action house back then..

The user can control the direction or the person they affect with enough practice, like Rayleigh can do. I think he was using the haki on everyone though, just to test their mettle, if not on Law and Luffy. He was impressed that both crews withstood it, and Bepo and some others felt the will.

Luffy wasn't able to control his haki, so he hit everyone by accident. It wasn't until training that he could control it, as he did against Demalo Black and his crew rather than everyone within the area.

Most likely so, yes. It's no shock, other than Usopp and probably Chopper, but they're probably only scared shitless against enemies, but even then they've shown willpower to win.

 

[King Moe]

I still feel like it be Psychic-like abilities with Mastered COC as given will and force it pushes out like certain COC have shown. Oda must have big plans of when to reveal another level for it later.