Discussion Crews strength - what you expect from now on

[zelllogan]

Now that I think about it, How many characters so far in one piece are clearly stronger than Sanj & fighting ,like sanji, without "cheats" (without devil fruit & without weapons) ????


Maybe Garp & that's all .

 

[Uriel]

BTW, I found this on DA which I think it's interesting to talk about Luffy's new strength:
http://kukriblades.deviantart.com/art/How-gear-4th-works-68598136

I think it's actually possible to be done and something cool to watch :O

 

[Jorge D. Dragon]

Guys you forgot that Luffy also fought against Bruno before he went to fight Lucci and also he took several thousands of soldiers. Even though those soldiers were weak it's still a big deal, cause his stamina isn't unlimited. Then, Of course Lucci is Kaku+Jabura, so I'd say that Luffy is Zoro+Sanji. And of course Luffy had more problems, cause he was actually rather low on stamina, cause he also used Gear Third to open the door to the underground pasage and it also added presure on his body.
I'd agree that Zoro isn't that far from Sanji, but Zoro is always fighting against the second strongest opponent and always has some wounds from previous arcs that makes him be at disadvantage against strong opponents.

 

[Calisto]

Luffy>Zoro>Sanji.

Though the gap is very tiny.

 

[chrizzl]

I would like to see luffy around the officers of the wb ie diamond jouzo level this is because they could beat most va's and atleast give a fight (not a winable one) to an admiral.

 

[kkck]

^I don't think that is too far out there.... Not that a fight against a VA would be winnable yet to the strawhats even if the monster trio can actually match a commander. As I said before, the monster trio has been around about as long as ace was during his time except that the 3 of them spent 2 years solely training. They should have the level to give an admiral, commander, shichibukai or VA at the very least a run for their money. Unlike the first part, currently the strawhats are a crew whose power the government should fear...trying to deal with them with anything less than a VA would be pointless.

 

[kidopitz27]

we don't really know what to expect from the SH crew why? because we only saw a glimpse of there powers and all of them are.Yes they are powerful but not in the full extent that they are fighting for their lives they look like not being being serious at all (and that is also a good indication that hey are really enjoying what they do )

and also each SH maybe has a strong point and a weak point just like every one else does like the WB commanders (jozu and marco) yes they are strong but that mindset in their mind that they are strong put them in jeopardy and they got owned

well have to wait a little more time to see if the SH is really powerful and maybe in the NW there are pirates who look at SH as a very weak pirates

 

[kkck]

I am sure there will be plenty of crews in the new world with the power to match or even beat the strawhats but I do think they will be at least above average(contrary to the first part of the series where they probably would have been among the weaker crews). At least IMO it would be strange if there weren't crews with individual members about as strong as a commander or a shichibukai but in turn they simply haven't been able to amass the power or influence that the yonkou have simply because they haven't had the right circumstances. Seriously, how strange would it be if luffy's only remaining challenge are the yonkou?

 

[jorped]

I am sure there will be plenty of crews in the new world with the power to match or even beat the strawhats but I do think they will be at least above average(contrary to the first part of the series where they probably would have been among the weaker crews). At least IMO it would be strange if there weren't crews with individual members about as strong as a commander or a shichibukai but in turn they simply haven't been able to amass the power or influence that the yonkou have simply because they haven't had the right circumstances. Seriously, how strange would it be if luffy's only remaining challenge are the yonkou?

you are right !!!! yonkous are not goig to be the only ones to be a difficult challenge to the SH , there are going to be other crews who are can also probably beat them. For example the supernovas crew! we dont know if they have become strong too, they probable did so its going to be also difficult for Luffy and the others to defeat them, and it is also a bit naive to think that there are not going to be pirates that we never have hear anything about and that their strenght is not something to fear.

I cant hope to see them entering in the new world and it would be awesome if they find a df, since i started reading OP thats one of the thinks that i think needs to definitely happen!!!

 

[kkck]

Somehow I doubt the supernova will be as strong as luffy is. They were doing pirating for two years so even though they must have gotten stronger I really doubt they would have gotten as strong as strong as the strawhats got from 2 years of solely training. Sanji was trained by 100 okamas (and apparently strong ones), zoro was trained by mihawk, luffy was trained by railiegh.... franky got technology from vegapunk.... Basically, they got stronger by training with the very best the world could throw at them non stop for two years. I don't think actually sailing the NW would give the supernova an edge over the strawhats considering that.

 

[Bowser]

Somehow I doubt the supernova will be as strong as luffy is. They were doing pirating for two years so even though they must have gotten stronger I really doubt they would have gotten as strong as strong as the strawhats got from 2 years of solely training. Sanji was trained by 100 okamas (and apparently strong ones), zoro was trained by mihawk, luffy was trained by railiegh.... franky got technology from vegapunk.... Basically, they got stronger by training with the very best the world could throw at them non stop for two years. I don't think actually sailing the NW would give the supernova an edge over the strawhats considering that.

Also, if they were at strong as each other, the 2 years worth of training would've been pretty pointless :/

 

[zelllogan]

I'm not so sure strawhats are the only rookies who spend 2 years training. Law said he wouldn't enter new world immediatly. I'm kinda curious about what he did. My guess is that he was busy gathering strong crewmembers.

 

[Freid]

To expand on what zellogan said, I can see one of the more important supernovas gathering a large crew like Whitebeard had that ain't filled with a bunch of fodders. I bet they would have a system within the crew similar to Whitebeard's commanders, but different.

 

[Schabrak]

Law could have just waited for the chaos of the aftermath to settle. If any of the Level 5/6 prisoners had formed a crew, they could easily bring terror to the isles as Sengoku mentioned. He was already on SA, so moving back wasn't really a possibility imo.

 

[Freid]

Yeah, I agree about Law not training during the 2 years. That didn’t seem like his intention at all. It may be possible that he did train, but it would depend on how long he remained idle for. All in all, theories about him training would be baseless. I don’t think that he stayed idle for more than a year or even a few months before he headed off into the New World.

Anyway I think that whoever believes that the Strawhats are now able to dwarf the likes of Law and Kidd in strength will be in for a surprise imo. Sure they will be stronger than them because it would be retarded for them not to be, but it probably won’t overwhelm the other ‘winning horses’ of their era.

 

[ocajavati]

Sanji's growth is probably considerably limited by the fact that he is at most on par or weaker than Ivankov.

Luffy and Zoro are off my chart of perception now.

 

[Freid]

Ivankov is like just below Admiral level imo. I could just about live with Sanji being limited to that level of strength in his two years lol.

 

[kkck]

Sanji's growth is probably considerably limited by the fact that he is at most on par or weaker than Ivankov.

Luffy and Zoro are off my chart of perception now.

Well, ivankov was extremely powerful though. He was able to kick the real kuma around. For all we know perhaps zoro and luffy would still not defeat him or perhaps they are just as strong as him. We don't know how strong the okama's sanji was forced to fight were either.... Sanji is a kicker and he spent two years solely running for the most part along with eating okama cuisine (which apparently makes you stronger just because lol). I don't think the status quo between those three has shifted.

 

[kidopitz27]

All of them after 2 years of training with their teachers will be the huge impact on their personality as well

like Sanji said when they are taming the kraken and he said that the kraken is cute and not scary new kamas are really scary look at them when they are leaving for FI and the new kamas are eating the marines literally

Zoro become more aggressive and maybe cocky and he wears a coat now and they look like Mihawk's coat when they are unbuttoned except it's color green

 

[Uriel]

I'm tired of defending Ivankov, but I'm glad someone recognizes His/Her strength.

And I bet they're in vice-admirals levels. That means they 1HKO underlings (As we saw from Luffy) 2HKO strong fighters (As we have somewhat seen on Fishman Island), provide a great fight worth to see against Vice Admirals and have a survivor fight against admirals and Yonkous.
...Which makes everything cool.

Also, I just want to write this because I want but...Robin TRAINED WITH DRAGON. Somehow, that's gotta mean something. She can make a fucking giant hand that IN WATER helped to avoid a hit and change its direction. Which means that She needed the same strength of the impulse if we go technical. And she did not looked tired after that. HOW COOL IS THAT?

Anyway, my only concern about Mugiwara strength is Brook. I don't know HOW He's gotten stronger, but I'm expecting his fame now can help the Mugiwaras somehow to MAJOR influence society against WG.