Discussion Crews strength - what you expect from now on

[jorped]

very interesting point

of all them i think that brook was maybe the one that evolved less but as you said he is very popular now , lots of people are fan of him so maybe there is going to be somepeople that are going to believe maybe on the Straw Hats instead of the WG
( at some point it is going to be impossible to not happen an huge clash batween these 2)

 

[chess4]

i think everyone is like the the 2.0 versions of themsleves before the skip. brooks most dangerous powers was his music by putting people to sleep. he has been playing for 2 years straight, so im sure he has some new abilites with his music. maybe he has some new skills with the sword but im sure we will see.


i feel as if the monster trio fought an admiral they could at least keep from getting killed, i also feel that usopp could almost rival any sniper in the marines and he is quick on his feet. i cant place a certain level on anyone(like he is admiral level or she is VA level)

im not sure if they are the strongest rookie crew because we havent seen much from the others, much less one of the strongest crews when they enter the new world. the strawhats vs any crew's top 9 members they would give them pure hell in a battle royal though.

 

[zelllogan]

I'm tired of defending Ivankov, but I'm glad someone recognizes His/Her strength.

And I bet they're in vice-admirals levels. That means they 1HKO underlings (As we saw from Luffy) 2HKO strong fighters (As we have somewhat seen on Fishman Island), provide a great fight worth to see against Vice Admirals and have a survivor fight against admirals and Yonkous.
...Which makes everything cool.

Also, I just want to write this because I want but...Robin TRAINED WITH DRAGON. Somehow, that's gotta mean something. She can make a fucking giant hand that IN WATER helped to avoid a hit and change its direction. Which means that She needed the same strength of the impulse if we go technical. And she did not looked tired after that. HOW COOL IS THAT?

Anyway, my only concern about Mugiwara strength is Brook. I don't know HOW He's gotten stronger, but I'm expecting his fame now can help the Mugiwaras somehow to MAJOR influence society against WG.

And I'm tired of defending Brook.
I just quote myself:

Brook:
- excellent sword's technique (when ryuuma used his techniques, ryuuma was almost on par with zoro)
- good speed (among the strawhats , I think only the monster trio is faster)
- excellent agility (He is light )
- can walk on water
- Extremely Rapid Healing (he completely heal himself with a bottle of milk)
- can use music attacks in addition to his swordmanship ... making him deadly at low range (sword) & mid range (music)
- He is not considered by the other crewmembers as a member of the weak trio ...
- he got no organs, no vital points ...

And many people still manage to put him in the last three positions ... Brook is only ranked so low because he is the last strawhat to join & did not have occasions to show off.

Rankings among strawhats were always clear:

A-team: Luffy, Zoro, Sanji (known in the manga as the monster trio)
B-team: Franky, Robin, Brook
C-team: Nami, Usopp, Chopper (known in the manga as the weak trio

And there is a huge gap between each team.

Between A-team & B-team: Franky & Brook could barely understand the fight between Zoro & Ryuuma.

Between B-team & C-team: Franky took care of Chopper in Monster form with ONE attack ...

 

[Shojin]

Also, I just want to write this because I want but...Robin TRAINED WITH DRAGON. Somehow, that's gotta mean something. She can make a fucking giant hand that IN WATER helped to avoid a hit and change its direction. Which means that She needed the same strength of the impulse if we go technical. And she did not looked tired after that. HOW COOL IS THAT?

Pretty damn impressive indeed. Makes me wonder what else she learned during her time with him.

Btw, Is it just me or does anyone find that bus stop scene a little.....strange? Sorry, but I can't help but think that Oda left out what Robin did to them back there only just to leave us to believing that she delt with them using the same old method (clutching or twisting) when in truth, she actually did something different to them.

 

[jorped]

And I'm tired of defending Brook.
I just quote myself:


Rankings among strawhats were always clear:

A-team: Luffy, Zoro, Sanji (known in the manga as the monster trio)
B-team: Franky, Robin, Brook
C-team: Nami, Usopp, Chopper (known in the manga as the weak trio

And there is a huge gap between each team.

Between A-team & B-team: Franky & Brook could barely understand the fight between Zoro & Ryuuma.

Between B-team & C-team: Franky took care of Chopper in Monster form with ONE attack ...

i dont remember seeing Franky dealing with chopper in monster from , but if you say that i believe it .

On A-team theres nothing to disagree on, of course Luffy, Zoro and Sanji are the strongest.

After them , now i would say Franky cuz for me he had an awesome evolution on his skills during this 2 years and i think he is probably the 4th on strength.

About the others , the only place i think i am sure , is Nami's one , i think she is the weakest!
About Brook being stronger than Ussop and Chopper , i dont really know that
I think people underestimate a lot these 2, specially Chopper ! i dont think for example that Robin would win against them without any trouble , i can even doubt if she could beat them!!! Chopper is fast and is kung fuu seems very cool and with stronger moves and also Ussop isn't the scared baby and an weakling as he was before , until now i have only seen to moves from him, one of them saved them and their ship by being hitted by huge rocks and the other was just a childish think , but what i want to say is that he is probably very strong now!

except from Luffy , Zoro , Sanji and Franky, we cant really rank them with 100% sure

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Also, I just want to write this because I want but...Robin TRAINED WITH DRAGON. Somehow, that's gotta mean something. She can make a fucking giant hand that IN WATER helped to avoid a hit and change its direction. Which means that She needed the same strength of the impulse if we go technical. And she did not looked tired after that. HOW COOL IS THAT?

yeah Robin is a lot stronger....

 

[chess4]

And I'm tired of defending Brook.
I just quote myself:


Rankings among strawhats were always clear:

A-team: Luffy, Zoro, Sanji (known in the manga as the monster trio)
B-team: Franky, Robin, Brook
C-team: Nami, Usopp, Chopper (known in the manga as the weak trio

And there is a huge gap between each team.

Between A-team & B-team: Franky & Brook could barely understand the fight between Zoro & Ryuuma.

Between B-team & C-team: Franky took care of Chopper in Monster form with ONE attack ...

personally i dont think there is an A squad or c squad. sanji summed it up best when he told usopp. i do things you cant, and you do things i cant.

thats what makes them so fearsome. they all have there place and do it well.

of course the monster trio are the 3 best fighters but like usopp said, even though luffy is strong he needs there help to get to the top

 

[zelllogan]

I didn't say C-team was useless (far from it) but as far as fighting skills go, they are the weakest strawhats. And that's a manga fact (they are the weak trio).

In order to win a fight against something else than fodder, they need to be sneaky, to hide, to avoid direct fight, to think, ...

But in a one vs one fair fight where they can't hide, I take any member of the B-Team over any member of the C-Team ...

 

[Schabrak]

zelllogan
Being sneaky and to think is part of fighting too.-_- They incorporate their knowledge to their advantage, that's what you do in a fighting style. If Ussop waits for the right distance than he uses his knowledge also. How can you translate that to their fighting power? Not everyone can be blessed with muscles like Zorro or Robin and Luffy with their DF abilities.

 

[zelllogan]

FACT IS "THEY ARE THE WEAK TRIO"
Rest is just discussion ...

Jorped >> I didn't rank members in each team. Nami is also the weakest for me.

 

[jorped]

yeah i know you didn't , i was talking about ranking Chopper and Ussop in the weakest team, i think they shouldn't be consider to be that weak in comparison to the others specially brook and robin.
i think that the team A is for me obviously composed by luffy, zoro and sanji and the weakest being Nami but about the others i am not really sure !

 

[Wowzers]

Wow, Nami is really getting no faith from the readers. Personally, I think Nami will bring out her weather control abilities and entire crews will fear being up against the Straw Hats.... assuming they survive being sunk by a variety of weather attacks.

 

[jorped]

if she ever manages to fully control the weather with maybe a better range of destruction she will obviously be someone to fear

 

[HereNThere]

While I do expect them to be stronger than their previous selves, I think the main goal of the training was to get strong enough to survive the New World. As of now they seem like they are strong enough, but we have yet to see the horrors of the New World. I'm pretty sure they will meet their match many times while traveling the new seas, just like before the time skip. If I were to give a specific guess, I'd say they would be able to have an easier time surviving an encounter with an Admiral and go toe to toe with a Rear Admiral or Vice Admiral without losing badly. They could probably even pull out a win. Vice Admirals aren't really a good measure as they vary greatly in strength. Long story short, I'm not expecting them plow their way through the New World without any trouble as I am expecting more out of the New World than them at the moment.

 

[LeKuaSimi]

I think the strawhats were already stronger than most crews, perhaps even among supernovas (with the exception of Kid and Law), even before the timeskip. Afterall, surviving the grand line was not normal (most crews give up), and the strawhats didn't exactly take the most normal or easiest route. Most crews won't fight and even run from shichibukais, nor would they be able to defeat the likes of enel, or even dare to enter Enies Lobby or fight CP9 in the first place.

Guys you forgot that Luffy also fought against Bruno before he went to fight Lucci and also he took several thousands of soldiers. Even though those soldiers were weak it's still a big deal, cause his stamina isn't unlimited. Then, Of course Lucci is Kaku+Jabura, so I'd say that Luffy is Zoro+Sanji. And of course Luffy had more problems, cause he was actually rather low on stamina, cause he also used Gear Third to open the door to the underground pasage and it also added presure on his body.
I'd agree that Zoro isn't that far from Sanji, but Zoro is always fighting against the second strongest opponent and always has some wounds from previous arcs that makes him be at disadvantage against strong opponents.

Also Luffy fought one Pacifista by himself while Zoro joined forces with Sanji against one Pacifista.

 

[frontaLobotomy]

The way I see it, since the timeskip the crew appear to have gathered enough strength to be able to fight in the New World. Meaning, if they came across a Yonkou, they would be able to fight them and not get killed. That isn't to say that they'd be able to win, but not getting killed is a start.

 

[Uriel]

Wow, Nami is really getting no faith from the readers. Personally, I think Nami will bring out her weather control abilities and entire crews will fear being up against the Straw Hats.... assuming they survive being sunk by a variety of weather attacks.

If Strawhats ever reach the Thunder Island, Nami would be THE MAN to fear. :O

And I somehow THINK that some of the islands in the new world are meant to make the crew even more stronger (Somehow the island where they Apoo's Crew flew makes me wonder if Brook wouldn't learn to "walk" also in the air)

 

[chess4]

The way I see it, since the timeskip the crew appear to have gathered enough strength to be able to fight in the New World. Meaning, if they came across a Yonkou, they would be able to fight them and not get killed. That isn't to say that they'd be able to win, but not getting killed is a start.

they would get destroyed by a yonkou crew. remember al of the yonkou have pretty big crews(well the 2 we have seen) no way way 9 pirates can take on a bunch of pirates.

lets not forget WB was sick. i think if the monster trio fought shanks, he would still destroy them rather easily. i think the strawhats are at the midway point of their growth.

 

[Wisshard]

[...]lets not forget WB was sick.[...]

If you are insinuating that Shanks was stronger than Whitebeard, you are awfully mistaken. Whitebeard was the undisputed strongest man -- stronger than everyone else in the world (yes, that includes Shanks (^and Garp)) -- while he was sick and old.

That being said, I also imagine that Shanks would whoop the Monster Trio's assess in a fight; they still have a way to go before they can hold their own against a world-class combatant.

 

[chess4]

If you are insinuating that Shanks was stronger than Whitebeard, you are awfully mistaken. Whitebeard was the undisputed strongest man -- stronger than everyone else in the world (yes, that includes Shanks (^and Garp)) -- while he was sick and old.

That being said, I also imagine that Shanks would whoop the Monster Trio's assess in a fight; they still have a way to go before they can hold their own against a world-class combatant.

no sir you are wrong......remember this. look at what marco said

http://www.onepiecehq.com/read-manga/one-piece-563/page-10.html#

he was old and sick and therefore not the same WB that competed with roger. if you read further into the chapter, WB even said himself that he couldnt be the strongest forever.

the reason no one tested WB was because the knew how strong he was in the past, so he had been living off his great rep for years.

i mean WB had 1600 crew members and an additional 43 pirate crews go to marineford with him. a crew with have to be crazy to want to take on WB.

but back to the original point.....if the strawhats fought an admiral to the death, they probably would win, but they would lose so members in the process. if they all jumoed on shanks, i think they would be slaughtered. Since we have only seen WB and shanks fight, we can only assume the other 2 yonkou are just as strong

 

[Ninja_Pirate]

no sir you are wrong......remember this. look at what marco said

http://www.onepiecehq.com/read-manga/one-piece-563/page-10.html#

he was old and sick and therefore not the same WB that competed with roger. if you read further into the chapter, WB even said himself that he couldnt be the strongest forever.

the reason no one tested WB was because the knew how strong he was in the past, so he had been living off his great rep for years.

i mean WB had 1600 crew members and an additional 43 pirate crews go to marineford with him. a crew with have to be crazy to want to take on WB.

but back to the original point.....if the strawhats fought an admiral to the death, they probably would win, but they would lose so members in the process. if they all jumoed on shanks, i think they would be slaughtered. Since we have only seen WB and shanks fight, we can only assume the other 2 yonkou are just as strong

Considering Zoro has been trained by Hawk eye .. He must have at least gotten very close to the combat skills of hawk eye if not same (considering how much effort zoro put in every time he gets his ass kicked or face difficult situations).. and shanks had duel with hawk eye resulting in draws..

I dont see any other training session coming in for SHs in future.. so thats how they r now and now they just progress through opponents ,,, strong-->stronger--->strongest.. and will grow during fights.. as they have done in the first half of their journey..