Discussion Crews strength - what you expect from now on

[MBVC]

Considering Zoro's bounty doubled last time, this time it might triple or quadruple.

Not gonna quadruple, it's 480M, 360M should stay in the range of most SN.

Besides, bounty doesn't mean true strength. Here is a big solution for that attention freak Cavendish, if he manages to capture a CD alive and does some tortures to the CD then broadcasts it live, after the incident he'll have all the attention he ever dreams of, his bounty will shoot pass 500M and easily reaches 800M. On the other hand, his life span decreases rapidly without any doubt.

 

[Ninomiya]

Besides, bounty doesn't mean true strength. Here is a big solution for that attention freak Cavendish, if he manages to capture a CD alive and does some tortures to the CD then broadcasts it live, after the incident he'll have all the attention he ever dreams of, his bounty will shoot pass 500 and easily reaches 800M. On the other hand, his life span decreases rapidly without any doubt.

Doesn't he die immediately?
The CD's have access to those special calls, so they can do an Admiral call the moment any CD feels they are in some kind of danger an Admiral is summoned to them.
Fujitora or Kizaru would probably slaughter Cavendish.

 

[TheLuffySmile]

U honestly believe that he would get a 500+ Easy 800 million bounty? ._. L M A O <3

 

[MBVC]

Doesn't he die immediately?
The CD's have access to those special calls, so they can do an Admiral call the moment any CD feels they are in some kind of danger an Admiral is summoned to them.
Fujitora or Kizaru would probably slaughter Cavendish.

I'm not sure how a CD is able to make any call without a snail-phone after s/he is being kidnapped, unless the kidnapper allows his victim(s) to keep the phone. It takes time for any admiral to find out the location of CD being captured and more time to get there, unless it's Kizaru himself.

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U honestly believe that he would get a 500+ Easy 800 million bounty? ._. L M A O <3

It's a typo, it should have been 500M, so do you think a life of any CD is worth less than 500M? Maybe it's true in most general case because most of them are !#%$%^%&*^ but the main problem is someone has serious intentions messing around with WG, it's more serious than burning any WG flag you know.

 

[TheLuffySmile]

Well since Luffy earned a 400 million bounty for being a notorious rookie, Dragons son, hurting a CD quite severely (Kidnapping and hurting the whole family according to the marines) Turning the tide in the Whitebeard war, Declared war upon the whole world, Invaded Enies lobby, Impel down and marineford. So I don't think ones bounty would skyrocket, You would probably die pretty soon with the admirals after you.

 

[MBVC]

BB did almost all the same thing except the incident on Justice Island, but I believe if he wants to invade the Justice Island then CP9 couldn't stand a chance against the BB pirate, maybe BB even creates more damages than what the SH did to CP9.


Messing around with CD shouldn't be taken lightly, if someone kidnap and torture several CDs one after another then of course the bounty of that particular person will shoot up amazingly but the down side is the life span of that person also drops amazingly fast too. After all we were showed that useless idiot CD bought a mermaid for 500M so his family members are willing to pay anything up to 1B to get him back in the case if he is captured by someone, of course like you posted earlier the admiral would pay a very special visit to whoever dares to mess with CD.

 

[EddyBob15]

I hope this question won't be considered ridiculous, but when do you think Luffy will be able to use his haki to knock out admirals?

 

[M3J]

My thoughts? Never. I don't think any haki will be enough to knock out an admiral, it'd require tremendous amount of power. If Lufy were to have a haki that'd take out the admirals, he'd have to be strong enough to take on the admirals, Blackbeard, Dragon, Whitebeard, Ace, Jinbei, and Shank all at the same time and win. That's probably what it'll take for Luffy's haki to do that kind of damage.

Of course, I could be misunderstanding.

 

[EddyBob15]

Well, if Shanks could knock out members of Whitebeard's crew, then it's possible for the Admirals to be knocked out, right?

 

[Anduren]

Actually Luffy knocked out some of the Whitebeard alliance pirates and marines too with his haki before Shanks showed up. But I don't think that's what was being referred to.

 

[kkck]

Oda has described the knocking out effect as something which can only be achieved when you are overwhelmingly more powerful than the person you are facing. I don't think a person out there exists that can ever be that much stronger than an admiral. Even the lesser members of Law's crew were able to resist rayleigh's haki and rayleigh was without a doubt easily stronger than all the rookie crews at the time combined. I don't think the sort of strength required to knocking out an admiral is even possible to be honest.

 

[Schabrak]

Well, if Shanks could knock out members of Whitebeard's crew, then it's possible for the Admirals to be knocked out, right?

Being on Whitebeards ship doesn't say anything about their power/seniority levels.

Admirals are in the top echelon of characters in One Piece, nobody with Yonkou officer status should fall unconscious due to someone strong willed using CoC.

 

[M3J]

Well, if Shanks could knock out members of Whitebeard's crew, then it's possible for the Admirals to be knocked out, right?

Nope, the admirals are not so weak or weak-willed that they'd be taken out. Luffy's haki didn't take out the admirals or any higher-level opponents like Marco. If the admirals were affected by the King's Conqueror haki, then they would not have become admirals in the first place as that's a sign they're weak in some way.

If Zoro does get the Conqueror haki, I wonder how much more dangerous he'll appear. He even scared Money shitless with his killing intent, imagine what'd have happened if he put the haki behind that intent. I kind of get the feeling Zoro's ability to knock out people using the Conqueror's haki would be better htan Luffy's.

 

[MBVC]

It's about time to adjust the crew strength estimate based on latest chapter:

Luffy ~ Jozu, Zoro ~ Vista (?).

I don't know how to compare Sanji with any WB commander. I put Luffy under Ace because he won't be able to survive Ace's giant fire ball, our rubber boy would disappear instantly. Luffy has lots to learn before he reaches Marco's level, not to mention old timer Garp > the phoenix. Even becoming as strong as Garp during his prime time isn't enough for Luffy to become pirate king, he needs much more than that in order to stay on the tip of the top pirates.

I wonder why Garp didn't go and beat up Shanks if he dislikes him that much. By the way, there is a big different between fighting and killing, I'm not say Garp must either capture or kill Shanks, he only needs to close down the yonko's empire, that's all. It's more like Garp couldn't do it after getting a lot older over the years while Shanks has been peaked in his prime.

 

[TheLuffySmile]

I'll make my comparisons after the Dressrosa arc is finished!

 

[HereNThere]

There isn't much to gain from the recent chapter except that Doffy is a fearsome pirate and Law seems to currently be the only one equipped to face him in terms of knowledge and power(DF). Range seems to be the big thing here to face him, so people who are pure CQC fighters seem to be bound to lose against him.

I also don't think Luffy is as strong as Jozu. Ace may have been the Captain of the Second Division Commander, but I don't think he was stronger than Jozu. Plus he still seemed a bit inexperienced. That being said, Ace was still quite strong and he had plenty of room to improve. I do believe that Luffy is just a below Ace before he died. He isn't quite at the level of the veteran commanders yet. The fact that he can go against Jinbe blow for blow and win against Don Chinjao (even though he loss power over the years) is quite telling.

Zoro hasn't really fought against a decent opponent yet, but I'd like to assume he's around the same ballpark. I don't know about the Vista comparison though. We really can't compare him to anyone at this moment. He's leagues above Tashgi(what else is new), but he's probably not quite a Vista's level. We should have a better idea by the end of the arc.

Sanji, Sanji, Sanji...While he's fought against strong opponents, he's recently been catching the suck end of the stick. He should be somewhere around their strength as well, but he's just been a magnet for super strong opponents lately.

 

[takneeque]

i have a question.since rayleigh left luffy to train on his own before the end of 2 years,is it safe to assume that luffy is stronger than rayleigh right now?
my argument is that if luffy was not as strong,ray-san would have stayed on and trained with him together till atleast luffy was strong enough to take rayleigh on his own.

 

[Schabrak]

He had nothing basic to teach him anymore, so Luffy had to work by himself to learn new techniques specific to his DF etc. He may or may not be stronger, likely not that strong yet though.

 

[DutchPhoenix]

Zoro hasn't really fought against a decent opponent yet, but I'd like to assume he's around the same ballpark. I don't know about the Vista comparison though. We really can't compare him to anyone at this moment. He's leagues above Tashgi(what else is new), but he's probably not quite a Vista's level. We should have a better idea by the end of the arc.

Zoro destroyed Hodi, Hyouzou, monet effortlessly, and he managed not only detect a ''fairy'', but catch it aswell, and recently pushed back an admiral.

Anyway look at their teachers

Sanji

Luffy

Zoro

 

[Ricko]

What is strange with Zorro, it's that he doesn't train no more... Before timeskip he was always improving himself ... But since he just relax as if he have already reached is goal !!!
It don't seem that he beat Mihawk, but Zorro new behavior and secret about his training hide something, he's the only one who show nothing really new from his training.